We don't stop her wearing trousers. Well she likes shorts, but you get the idea. But we do impress that you don't always get your own way. I think that's a good lesson all around, not just when it comes to clothing.
Fair enough.
Lol, it's probably something they should expect. I dunno anyone at eighteen who wasn't relieved to finally have some say in their own life.
I guess it's a clear sign that I'm not a parent yet that I think I'd be sad if that happened to me.
My parents brought me up the way they saw fit, I do the same no?
That's not really answering my question. You think the best way to raise a kid is to force them to wear pants regardless if they want to or not? What is that going to do for the kid in the long run other than resent you? Again I'll use myself as an example despite me being the opposite direction I was raised by my aunt and she made me dress in a way I hate and we do not get along I resent her for being that strict just like my I do my grandmother. It didn't teach me anything other than 'wow they are real jerks and I don't like them' especially if the parent puts shame on how the kid would like to dress. So my question is what is forcing a child to wear what they hate despite what they want to wear being reasonable going to do for them? What is it going to teach them? Is there anything useful they are getting out of it? Or is it because you can? To me 'because' never was a good answer and really still isn't. You raise your kid how you want I nor anyone else has any control over it but I'm still curious as to what you think that is going to do for the child what its going to teach them how is it going to help them.
In response to the original post... did you have a particular lady in mind? Because not all ladies walk, talk, or act the same. Not all ladies dress the same, either. But they're all walking, talking, acting, and dressing like ladies, because that's what they are.
Tautology aside, it seems as if the OP favors distinctly feminine mannerisms, vocal inflections, and animations. I do not (despite being female). As a general rule, if a particular animation looks inappropriate or laughable when performed by a male avatar, it is too exaggerated for a female avatar. Subtle differences are fine - hey, all males don't walk, talk, or act the same, either - but Idunna's seduction animations were absurd (although I understand why they chose them*). Watching female Hawke run made me cringe. I expected her to snap her spine with every step.
Anyway, that's my opinion.
* That whole "seductive females are invariably evil" shtick really needs to die, but that's a subject for another day.
If you spend 18+ years raising a child, and once they are grown and it's an option they never want to spend any time with you, will you feel disappointed? Or is that something parents expect?
You know, personally, I have no problem with skirts, but I kinda think it'd be great if anybody who wanted to or didn't want to wear them (and most any other article of clothing) was totally allowed to make that choice and have it be socially acceptable. As a straight man, if skirts/dresses weren't considered "girly" I might actually try them out. Why not, right? It's just a piece of fabric arranged in a different way than pants, technically. Why should women be expected to wear skirts or dresses? I quite honestly find women in suits more attractive than women in dresses, personally. I know I might be a bit messed up, but that's my opinion, lol
Why do you hate skirts so much anyway, KainD
I just hate gender. I'll stop hating skirts ( Edit: on women ) when/if it will be a norm for men to wear skirts as well, currently it's a women exclusive, while pants are neutral.
I just hate gender. I'll stop hating skirts when/if it will be a norm for men to wear skirts as well, currently it's a women exclusive, while pants are neutral.
Yeah, down with gender roles! Gender abolitionism & gender neutrality ftw! High five!
While it was not any post I made that you quoted with that response I'd like to say something if you do not mind, I don't think anyone is arguing you preferring pants and not making your kid wear skirts (at least I'm not) my reason for putting in a post about extremes was because of one of the earlier posts you made about even if your child wanted a skirt they would be SOL so to speak. To me that seems like an extreme and is really no different than making your child wear skirts even if they hate them. Now I understand if the school gets a dress code that you want to send your kid to that you may be against and you should speak up about it and try to get it changed cause making girls wear skirts is kind of sexist, but I wasn't really talking about uniforms I was talking more about casual wear, say you have a daughter that does enjoy wearing skirts what is the harm in her wearing one other than you personally do not like them? Its no different than making your child wear skirts even if they prefer pants because you may like them. I understand that its your money but that just seems like such an odd thing to stand your ground on, if they don't like skirts then they don't like skirts if they do then they do and there's nothing wrong with pants or skirts. I apologize if I came off as rude in earlier posts but I'm confused on to why you would be so firm with forcing a kid to wear pants just seems odd to me.
Overlooked this post, posting from phone.
But anyway, yeah like I said before, its not just a skirt, its a bigger fight about equality, and I would feel kinda bad if my own children confirmed to the system that I personally hate, and I wouldn't support it.
Okay I get that, that you wouldn't make your child wear a skirt but whats wrong with them wearing one if they so choose? Being so hostile towards it might give the wrong impression that skirts are 'bad' and the kid should feel bad for wanting to wear one. I'm not saying make kids fit into gender roles in fact I posted a bit before on another topic about trying to break gender roles for a younger cousin of mine whose parents put gender on everything so I get not wanting to put gender to things for a child. My point was that I felt you were being extreme by stating that you refuse to let a child wear skirts because you do not like them if the kid likes them then why not let them wear them? It seems there's being a lot more pressure put on a skirt than there should be its a piece of clothing men and women can wear it, its not going to hurt anyone. If you are however referring to school uniform skirts than I do agree with you mostly that's something a parent should take up with the school and try to change I know I for one started to ask my mother if she would buy me a boys uniform for school when they talked about getting them since I didn't want to be in a skirt. So uniforms I agree with casual wear I do not. It seems by your last post there might have been a miscommunication here and I hoped I cleared it up a little and not made it more confusing if I did then I apologize.
Okay I get that, that you wouldn't make your child wear a skirt but whats wrong with them wearing one if they so choose? Being so hostile towards it might give the wrong impression that skirts are 'bad' and the kid should feel bad for wanting to wear one. I'm not saying make kids fit into gender roles in fact I posted a bit before on another topic about trying to break gender roles for a younger cousin of mine whose parents put gender on everything so I get not wanting to put gender to things for a child. My point was that I felt you were being extreme by stating that you refuse to let a child wear skirts because you do not like them if the kid likes them then why not let them wear them? It seems there's being a lot more pressure put on a skirt than there should be its a piece of clothing men and women can wear it, its not going to hurt anyone. If you are however referring to school uniform skirts than I do agree with you mostly that's something a parent should take up with the school and try to change I know I for one started to ask my mother if she would buy me a boys uniform for school when they talked about getting them since I didn't want to be in a skirt. So uniforms I agree with casual wear I do not. It seems by your last post there might have been a miscommunication here and I hoped I cleared it up a little and not made it more confusing if I did then I apologize.
There's nothing wrong with them choosing to do so, but not while they rely on me financially. No way of life is better than any other, just that I personally like something and dislike something else. If my child wishes to support a system that hurt me personally, all the power to them, that's their choice, but at least not at my expense, let them do so when they will become an independent individual, it's their life. Like I said, I don't like gender exclusive things, I don't have anything personal against skirts in particular, hell I'd probably buy my son one if he asked, just not my daughter, until it becomes a neutral option. My stance is extreme, and I see nothing wrong with that, I don't like compromise much.
I just hate gender. I'll stop hating skirts ( Edit: on women ) when/if it will be a norm for men to wear skirts as well, currently it's a women exclusive, while pants are neutral.
Ah yes yet another excuse to judge women on their choice of attire. Great stuff.
Ah yes yet another excuse to judge women on their choice of attire. Great stuff.
Pain is a good excuse no? That's also the only criteria for me, not another.
Pain is a good excuse no? That's also the only criteria for me, not another.
I got news for you buddy, it's the patriarchy's fault that most men feel they "can't" wear skirts.
It's got nothing to do with women, so my advice is to stop using women as your imaginary scapegoats and focus on the real problem.
I got news for you buddy, it's the patriarchy's fault that most men feel they "can't" wear skirts.
It's got nothing to do with women, so my advice is to stop using women as your imaginary scapegoats and focus on the real problem.
Ah yes, women have no say in the matter, the inequality will stop when men say so. Gotcha.
There's nothing wrong with them choosing to do so, but not while they rely on me financially. No way of life is better than any other, just that I personally like something and dislike something else. If my child wishes to support a system that hurt me personally, all the power to them, that's their choice, but at least not at my expense, let them do so when they will become an independent individual, it's their life. Like I said, I don't like gender exclusive things, I don't have anything personal against skirts in particular, hell I'd probably buy my son one if he asked, just not my daughter, until it becomes a neutral option. My stance is extreme, and I see nothing wrong with that, I don't like compromise much.
Alright, this I can't agree with. Personally, if I ever had kids, I'd to let them wear skirts/pants regardless of whether they are male or female. I think forcing them not to conform with the rest of society is just as bad as forcing them to conform. I think being a supportive parent is probably more important than attempting to force change in society by controlling your children's choices. That's what I think, but you can live your life as you wish
I hate skirts (short ones anyway) cause I got tramatized in school by assholes attempting to strip me cause that was somehow funny. (The school had uniforms and that stupid skirt was what my grandmother picked out. I bought slacks the day after that incident and never wore another skirt again and would scream bloody murder if she tried to make me get in one.)
Never again.
Now I wear long skirts with some form of leggings underneath if I absolutely must wear a skirt.
As for kids not interested but if I did have a girl I'd let her wear a skirt or pants if she wanted to. As for forced skirt uniforms so much no.
I wouldn't let my son wear a skirt though not out the house. Too much headaches and other nonsense come with that and I don't think a child is mentally prepared to deal with that drama and bull.
I think forcing them not to conform with the rest of society is just as bad as forcing them to conform. I think being a supportive parent is probably more important than attempting to force change in society by controlling your children's choices.
It's not just as bad, it's just as neutral. Like I said, no way of life is superior to any other, just that I personally want to see different things. Kids don't really have any say, they are like a sponge, we all are, we grow up to be particular individuals because that is what we were exposed to. I could have been born and raised in a different environment and be against male/female equality, but I am who I am currently.
Sounds to me like you're still letting gender dictate clothing options for your children, then.There's nothing wrong with them choosing to do so, but not while they rely on me financially. No way of life is better than any other, just that I personally like something and dislike something else. If my child wishes to support a system that hurt me personally, all the power to them, that's their choice, but at least not at my expense, let them do so when they will become an independent individual, it's their life. Like I said, I don't like gender exclusive things, I don't have anything personal against skirts in particular, hell I'd probably buy my son one if he asked, just not my daughter, until it becomes a neutral option. My stance is extreme, and I see nothing wrong with that, I don't like compromise much.
Sounds to me like you're still letting gender dictate clothing options for your children, then.
If something is gender exclusive yes - that's a no.
You do realize how a girl raised like that will turn out, right?
No, not really, could grow up many different ways.
I just hate gender. I'll stop hating skirts ( Edit: on women ) when/if it will be a norm for men to wear skirts as well, currently it's a women exclusive, while pants are neutral.
Male formal attire in Scotland is a kilt. Just saying.
Seriously, though, it might be more helpful to stop condemning women for wearing skirts and start encouraging anyone - male, female, or other - to accept skirts as appropriate attire for any gender (there are more than two). Skirts are ridiculously comfortable in the summer months, hide a multitude of figure flaws, and generally present an elegant appearance while doing so. I'm about as un-feminine as it's possible for a woman to be, but I wear skirts frequently because I love how comfortable they are. Gender-rigid boys, you are seriously missing out. That's your choice, but I thought you should know.
Apparently, last summer was a hot one in the UK. The rail network sadly lacks climate control, so one resourceful male rail employee bypassed the rail service's prohibition against shorts by wearing a skirt. He looked neat, tidy, and professional. I would like to think that other male rail employees will follow his example. That's how change happens.
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Man i feel great when i got my Kilt on an its blowing a gale, no tae mention sitting in the pub with ma legs wide tae the world, aye i kin fairly clear a space at the bar pretty fast a tell ya
Seriously, though, it might be more helpful to stop condemning women for wearing skirts and start encouraging anyone - male, female, or other - to accept skirts as appropriate attire for any gender (there are more than two).
Or you do both.
There is an on going protest for example, by some women that want the right to go topless in public like men do. Men that support them on the demonstrations wear bras, while the women go topless.
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Or you do both.
There is an on going protest for example, by some women that want the right to go topless in public like men do. Men that support them on the demonstrations wear bras, while the women go topless.
kin ya like tell me where? i might join that maself
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