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[KainD]

I think they were referring to things like weddings or going out to places that have dress codes on them like some restaurants still do.

Well Muslims for example wear a hijab, and people respect that no? There are things like formal dress pants.

[KainD]

If we sent our daughter to school in trousers she would get sent home. There are places where a certain manner of dress (and manner) is expected, avoiding that to make some sort of statement I think would just make like harder for a child since unlike an adult making a choice, they don't have any power.

Again, hijab. Are all muslim girls sent home if they have a different attire?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Are you serious? Good Lord.

That surprises you? remember that this is the same place that had people insulting Leliana for her "bad" french accent despite her VO being a real french woman.

[AkiKishi]

Again, hijab. Are all muslim girls sent home if they have a different attire?

 

Fairly sure there are exemptions on grounds of religion or whatnot. 

[HuldraDancer]

Well Muslims for example wear a hijab, and people respect that no? There are things like formal dress pants.

 

I'm not saying they're aren't but some places are overly strict I remember not being able to go into a store before because I was not wearing clothes that matched their dress code, there was nothing wrong with what I was wearing but I still had to wait outside. I'm not saying this is a good thing though far from it just that some places still have dress codes and to repeat something in one of my earlier post and extreme is an extreme regardless of which side it is on. That's why I said a kid should have some say in what they wear. Like forcing them to wear skirts because you like skirts is silly just like forcing them to wear pants because you don't like skirts is silly or making them wear a certain color because its your favorite color. An extreme is still an extreme regardless of side or intent weather its harsh dress codes or parents trying to prove a point or kids trying to prove a point or even a place trying to prove a point.

[CENIC]

I attended a private, Catholic, all-girls school for several years. It had a strict dress code - no pants allowed.

 

I hate skirts and dresses. I feel exposed when I'm wearing one. The feeling of a breeze blowing between my legs and over my nethers just doesn't do it for me. 

I wore pants whenever I wasn't at school, and once I left that school, I tossed all of those plaid skirts and never looked back.

 

If I ever have children, I don't think I will enroll them at a school with a strict (and traditionally gendered) dress code like mine, no matter how highly ranked the school is.

[KainD]

Fairly sure there are exemptions on grounds of religion or whatnot.

I'm sorry, but am I going to be discriminated on my views just because they don't include a deity? Wearing pants is not even as bizzare by society standards as a hijab..

[AkiKishi]

I'm sorry, but am I going to be discriminated on my views just because they don't include a deity? Wearing pants is not even as bizzare by society standards as a hijab..

 

That's up to you. But bare in mind your not the one who has to go to school wearing pants when everyone else is wearing a skirt.

[KainD]

Missquote.

[KainD]

Well there we go. You were forced to wear something you don't like because your parents thought so right? I can do the same.

[HuldraDancer]

I'm sorry, but am I going to be discriminated on my views just because they don't include a deity? Wearing pants is not even as bizzare by society standards as a hijab..

 

While it was not any post I made that you quoted with that response I'd like to say something if you do not mind, I don't think anyone is arguing you preferring pants and not making your kid wear skirts (at least I'm not) my reason for putting in a post about extremes was because of one of the earlier posts you made about even if your child wanted a skirt they would be SOL so to speak. To me that seems like an extreme and is really no different than making your child wear skirts even if they hate them. Now I understand if the school gets a dress code that you want to send your kid to that you may be against and you should speak up about it and try to get it changed cause making girls wear skirts is kind of sexist, but I wasn't really talking about uniforms I was talking more about casual wear, say you have a daughter that does enjoy wearing skirts what is the harm in her wearing one other than you personally do not like them? Its no different than making your child wear skirts even if they prefer pants because you may like them. I understand that its your money but that just seems like such an odd thing to stand your ground on, if they don't like skirts then they don't like skirts if they do then they do and there's nothing wrong with pants or skirts. I apologize if I came off as rude in earlier posts but I'm confused on to why you would be so firm with forcing a kid to wear pants just seems odd to me.

[HuldraDancer]

Well there we go. You were forced to wear something you don't like because your parents thought so right? I can do the same.

 

My question is why though. What does it hurt that a kid may prefer skirts or pants? Who is it hurting? Why would you be so stubborn about something so meaningless? Its goofy and extreme and I'm trying to understand the point of it but I'm really having a hard time with it. Because you can? Is that why? Or is there no real reason behind it?

[Mockingword]

If we sent our daughter to school in trousers she would get sent home. There are places where a certain manner of dress (and manner) is expected, avoiding that to make some sort of statement I think would just make like harder for a child since unlike an adult making a choice, they don't have any power. 

"We make life easier for our daughter in the long run by forcing her to conform with obsolete concepts of femininity".

 

Lol.

[tmp7704]

If we sent our daughter to school in trousers she would get sent home. There are places where a certain manner of dress (and manner) is expected, avoiding that to make some sort of statement I think would just make like harder for a child since unlike an adult making a choice, they don't have any power.

Rather than make the statement at the expense of the kid (which I agree is a reasonable concern) wouldn't it be better to put pressure on the school to maybe reconsider the outdated rules, due to potential long-term impact they might have on their students..?

[AkiKishi]

"We make life easier for our daughter in the long run by forcing her to conform with obsolete concepts of femininity".

 

Lol.

 

If you mean by forcing her to go to a good school which will almost certainly guarantee a university of her choice in the future, yes. Problem?

[Lady Nuggins]

Well if the Inquisitor must move and act like a lady, I'd rather she go to the Charlize Theron school of walking like a queen.

 

[robertthebard]

Rather than make the statement at the expense of the kid (which I agree is a reasonable concern) wouldn't it be better to put pressure on the school to maybe reconsider the outdated rules, due to potential long-term impact they might have on their students..?

The problem is, even here, they are trying to force kids to wear uniforms in Public Schools. This to "protect" them from bullying if they don't have the latest fashion trends going on.

[CENIC]

If we sent our daughter to school in trousers she would get sent home. There are places where a certain manner of dress (and manner) is expected, avoiding that to make some sort of statement I think would just make like harder for a child since unlike an adult making a choice, they don't have any power. 

Hearing things like this makes me sad. If your daughter wanted to wear trousers, would you shame her for it, or be accepting, even if you don't agree? I have a terrible relationship with my parents for that exact reason; they never supported me emotionally when I needed it. Sometimes your family is the only place where you can feel safe and accepted for who you are. I'm sure my parents thought they were doing what was best for me, but that decision cost them their relationship with me - and I didn't turn out to be a traditional female like they wanted. If I asked them if it was worth it, I'm willing to bet they'd have to think about their answer.

[tmp7704]

If you mean by forcing her to go to a good school which will almost certainly guarantee a university of her choice in the future, yes. Problem?

There's no good schools which can provide the same but don't concern themselves with enforcing dumb dress codes? If so then yeah, that's probably a problem.

[KainD]

My question is why though. What does it hurt that a kid may prefer skirts or pants? Who is it hurting? Why would you be so stubborn about something so meaningless? Its goofy and extreme and I'm trying to understand the point of it but I'm really having a hard time with it. Because you can? Is that why? Or is there no real reason behind it?

My parents brought me up the way they saw fit, I do the same no?

[tmp7704]

The problem is, even here, they are trying to force kids to wear uniforms in Public Schools. This to "protect" them from bullying if they don't have the latest fashion trends going on.

I have easier time accepting argument like that, in part because it doesn't automatically have to equal "girls must wear skirts because girls". Some schools provide multiple options to choose from for their students, which feels like decent compromise.

[CENIC]

My parents brought me up the way they saw fit, I do the same no?

If you spend 18+ years raising a child, and once they are grown and it's an option they never want to spend any time with you, will you feel disappointed? Or is that something parents expect?

[Mockingword]

If you mean by forcing her to go to a good school which will almost certainly guarantee a university of her choice in the future, yes. Problem?

When a school's dress code is so blatantly sexist, I have strong doubts about the quality of its classes.

[AkiKishi]

Hearing things like this makes me sad. If your daughter wanted to wear trousers, would you shame her for it, or be accepting, even if you don't agree? I have a terrible relationship with my parents for that exact reason; they never supported me emotionally when I needed it. Sometimes your family is the only place where you can feel safe and accepted for who you are. I'm sure my parents thought they were doing what was best for me, but that decision cost them their relationship with me - and I didn't turn out to be a traditional female like they wanted. If I asked them if it was worth it, I'm willing to bet they'd have to think about their answer.

 

We don't stop her wearing trousers. Well she likes shorts, but you get the idea. But we do impress that you don't always get your own way. I think that's a good lesson all around, not just when it comes to clothing. 

[Mockingword]

If you spend 18+ years raising a child, and once they are grown and it's an option they never want to spend any time with you, will you feel disappointed? Or is that something parents expect?

Lol, it's probably something they should expect. I dunno anyone at eighteen who wasn't relieved to finally have some say in their own life.