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The Citadel DLC ending, and the one question on my mind.


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Mathias

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Granted I haven't watched all versions of the ending, but it seems the majority of them have your LI say something along the lines of "I know you'll win, and when you do I'll be waiting for you."

 

All I can think of is that's either some kind of cruel wink by the writing team, or that they're really THAT naive. I mean this was well after a year since the vanilla ending, they had to have known a lot of fans were pissed that there wasn't one ending where Shep could survive. Plus they've gone on record that Shep's survival at the end of Destroy is suppose to be ambiguous and that it ain't written in stone that he's alive. Maybe it was some incentive to get you to choose Destroy? 

 

I just can't help but tilt my head like a confused puppy at this line. They had to be aware that it was throwing salt on a wound.



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Granted I haven't watched all versions of the ending, but it seems the majority of them have your LI say something along the lines of "I know you'll win, and when you do I'll be waiting for you."

 

All I can think of is that's either some kind of cruel wink by the writing team, or that they're really THAT naive. I mean this was well after a year since the vanilla ending, they had to have known a lot of fans were pissed that there wasn't one ending where Shep could survive. Plus they've gone on record that Shep's survival at the end of Destroy is suppose to be ambiguous and that it ain't written in stone that he's alive. Maybe it was some incentive to get you to choose Destroy? 

 

I just can't help but tilt my head like a confused puppy at this line. They had to be aware that it was throwing salt on a wound.

 

 

I just take it as tacit permission to use MEHEM



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Meh. It's not the last you hear of your LI in the game, and it's a common "against all odds" sentiment.
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What dream said. Not what iakus said. It's a lot better than the hopeless and bleak Earth sequence. Granted, the Earth sequence was terrible for many reasons.



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What dream said. Not what iakus said.

 

No reason it can't be both  ;)



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I'm pretty sure the LI means the Reaper War as a whole. You could be throwing the party before you assault TIM's base, and romancing Miranda.



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If you use destroy, your love interest can still wait for you if you have enough points. He or she will refuse to put on the plaque with your name, since the LI believes that Shepard is still alive somewhere and will be waiting for his/her return.

 

I think the citadel ending works much better if you pick up Thane as a love interest in me2, remain faithful to him (not having any other romance in me3), and then pick up synthesis. 



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If you use destroy, your love interest can still wait for you if you have enough points. He or she will refuse to put on the plaque with your name, since the LI believes that Shepard is still alive somewhere and will be waiting for his/her return.

 

I think the citadel ending works much better if you pick up Thane as a love interest in me2, remain faithful to him (not having any other romances in me3), and then pick up synthesis. 

 

Completely off-topic... But who's your avatar? Looks familiar, but I can't place her.

 

On-topic: I believe Bioware have said that the Breath-Ending is a "make up your own mind" over whether or not Shepard lives. Essentially, it's player choice. If you want Shepard to survive, then he or she survives high EMS destroy. If you prefer the heroic sacrifice aspect of all this, then that was her/his last breath. Take your pick, because Bioware isn't going to say one way or the other.



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On-topic: I believe Bioware have said that the Breath-Ending is a "make up your own mind" over whether or not Shepard lives. Essentially, it's player choice. If you want Shepard to survive, then he or she survives high EMS destroy. If you prefer the heroic sacrifice aspect of all this, then that was her/his last breath. Take your pick, because Bioware isn't going to say one way or the other.

 

They've heavily implied, to the point of near-confirmation, that Shepard survives. Here.



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"Completely off-topic... But who's your avatar? Looks familiar, but I can't place her."

 

Hi. The woman pictured is no other than Miss Yvonne Strzechowski, the face model for Miranda in Mass Effect 2 and 3.

 

It was taken from this episode http://gallery.strah...sus-the-gobbler



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You haven't seen Jack's romance content in Citadel DLC, have you OP?
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They've heavily implied, to the point of near-confirmation, that Shepard survives. Here.

 

And boy did that give me warm fuzzy feelings inside when I read it.

 

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Too bad it immediately got ruined by Chris Priestly and Chris Epler when they stated it's actually an ambiguous scene.



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You haven't seen Jack's romance content in Citadel DLC, have you OP?

 

Are you talking about when she says "You're gonna blow the Reapers to hell, and then you're coming back and taking me out dancing"?

 

EDIT: Oh the whole tattoo thing. Well good luck with Jack on that one. His armor is all burnt and probably seared to his skin after being engulfed in two massive explosions.



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And boy did that give me warm fuzzy feelings inside when I read it.

 

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Too bad it immediately got ruined by Chris Priestly and Chris Epler when they stated it's actually an ambiguous scene.

 

Hepler joked about it (quite obviously) at a panel, a handful of forumites ran with it as if it were real, and "Evil" Priestly followed suit in the way he did.

 

The linked explanation, however, was and is BioWare's official stamp on the scene. 



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Epler joked about it (quite obviously) at a panel, a handful of forumites ran with it as if it were real, and "Evil" Priestly followed suit in the way he did.

 

The linked explanation, however, was and is BioWare's official stamp on the scene. 

I feel like you're assuming that Epler joked about it. I mean there were quite clearly some people in the audience who were upset by that, but you never heard any of the panelists say "Oh we're only kidding come on now." Plus given the way Priestly talked about it, he came off as serious.

I mean this goes back to what I was saying in another topic where I said it feels like the writers just aren't on the same page.



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I feel like you're assuming that Epler joked about it. I mean there were quite clearly some people in the audience who were upset by that, but you never heard any of the panelists say "Oh we're only kidding come on now." Plus given the way Priestly talked about it, he came off as serious.

 

Hepler's comment was undoubtedly in jest (I mean, really, just pay attention to his tone, his body language, and the way the panel reacts), and Priestly was just being Priestly.  It makes no sense for a last gasp before death, instead of the age-old trope suggesting that the hero lives, to be the most difficult thing to obtain in the game. 



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Because the ending was based off one of the three decisions you could make, by fixing the ending only for Destroy would cause more fan-rage. I do prefer having it left where it is currently.



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In the last Citadel DLC I did Jack said, "We had a good run, didn't we?" That was unexpected.

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Epler's comment was undoubtedly in jest (I mean, really, just pay attention to his tone, his body language, and the way the panel reacts), and Priestly was just being Priestly.  It makes no sense for a last gasp before death, instead of the age-old trope suggesting that the hero lives, to be the most difficult thing to obtain in the game. 

 

Fair enough, but I found Epler's joke kinda distasteful given how much of a touchy subject it was. I can he might've made that joke because there was some bitterness towards the whole ending backlash. Or maybe that's just his sick sense of humor. As for Priestly, this doesn't surprise me. He wasn't the most likeable guy around.


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Fair enough, but I found Epler's joke kinda distasteful given how much of a touchy subject it was. I can he might've made that joke because there was some bitterness towards the whole ending backlash. Or maybe that's just his sick sense of humor. As for Priestly, this doesn't surprise me. He wasn't the most likeable guy around.

 

Sick?



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Yeah - sick? It's a video game. I know we can be incredibly invested in it (like me - dumping years of my life into obsessing over it), but its still a video game that the developers shouldn't feel censored about joking about.


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Personaly, I don't want to relate the Citadel DL to the Endings or endgame.

I enjoyed the Citadel DLC, the endings are their own type of beasts that I don't want to get involved into that equation.

They arn't supposed to know about the endings during the Citadel DLC's. So unless they are psychic and supernatiral in some way then, no. It has nothing to do with it.

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Personaly, I don't want to relate the Citadel DL to the Endings or endgame.

I enjoyed the Citadel DLC, the endings are their own type of beasts that I don't want to get involved into that equation.

They arn't supposed to know about the endings during the Citadel DLC's. So unless they are psychic and supernatiral in some way then, no. It has nothing to do with it.

 

This is why I like to headcanon Citadel as being an ending in its own right, and ignore references to the war in progress.


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By they are psychic and supernatural.

 

Ghost Thane.

 

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What are they supposed to say otherwise?

 

"Dude/Gal, you are totally gonna die, I come up to your cabin in an hour..."?