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[JamesFaith]

Fair enough, but I found Epler's joke kinda distasteful given how much of a touchy subject it was. I can he might've made that joke because there was some bitterness towards the whole ending backlash. Or maybe that's just his sick sense of humor. As for Priestly, this doesn't surprise me. He wasn't the most likeable guy around.

 

Or his sense for humor is simply different then yours or your subjective feeling push it on completely different level?

 

Sense for humor is one of most subjective things ever and every joke can be perceived as funny, boring or insulting by different people. For me was his joke fine, for some people on BSN it was deadly insult and trolling and they made dozens of complaining threads here about it.

 

This is how humor works.

[Iakus]

Yeah - sick? It's a video game. I know we can be incredibly invested in it (like me - dumping years of my life into obsessing over it), but its still a video game that the developers shouldn't feel censored about joking about.

If it's something people are likely to take umbrage at, or offend people, then it's polite to not joke about it.

 

Even if it is "just a video game"

 

And in any case, I have never heard confirmation that it was a joke.

[CronoDragoon]

If it's something people are likely to take umbrage at, or offend people, then it's polite to not joke about it.

 

Even if it is "just a video game"

 

 

Nah. If it's something that deserves a joke, then go for it. Humor needs no permission or politeness filter.

[Iakus]

Nah. If it's something that deserves a joke, then go for it. Humor needs no permission or politeness filter.

And what "deserves" a joke?

[Mordokai]

Nah. If it's something that deserves a joke, then go for it. Humor needs no permission or politeness filter.

 

[CronoDragoon]

And what "deserves" a joke?

 

Anything, if the joke is funny. South Park has been getting away with Holocaust jokes for years. Hell, they even had an episode where Cartman dressed up as Hitler and tried to enact a final solution.

 

So let me rephrase "deserves" into "anything can be joked about."

 

I don't actually find Epler's joke funny, but not because I'm offended or think he shouldn't have done it. It just happens to be not very funny.

[fhs33721]

If it's something people are likely to take umbrage at, or offend people, then it's polite to not joke about it.

 

Even if it is "just a video game"

 

And in any case, I have never heard confirmation that it was a joke.

Every joke about anything in this world will offend someone as the cartoon by Mordokai nicely illustrates. Even if you just joke about rainy weather someone who lives in the Sahara and has to endure constant thirst may be offended. So if I understand you correctly nobody should ever make jokes about anything? Everybody should just walk trough live grumpy and humorless until they die?

Is that what you want?

[Iakus]

Every joke about anything in this world will offend someone as the cartoon by Mordokai nicely illustrates. Even if you just joke about rainy weather someone who lives in the Sahara and has to endure constant thirst may be offended. So if I understand you correctly nobody should ever make jokes about anything? Everybody should just walk trough live grumpy and humorless until they die?

Is that what you want?

 

How about making a tasteless joke about the ending on the heels of a major backlash against it in a room full of gamers and while being recorded for other gamers to watch was both foolish and shortsighted?

 

Especially if said "joke" was never explained as such.

[CronoDragoon]

Yes it was quite underwhelming. I would have pulled a Liara pillow from under the table and started sobbing while talking about the breath scene. Who wants to hire me as their PR guy?

[dreamgazer]

Saying something in jest doesn't mean it's a funny ha-ha joke.  Hepler's wasn't a wise move and wasn't funny, but the intention behind it is obvious. 

 

If it's something people are likely to take umbrage at, or offend people, then it's polite to not joke about it.

 

Even if it is "just a video game"

 

And in any case, I have never heard confirmation that it was a joke.

 

Guess they feel that the panel speaks for itself, which it does. No need to "confirm" something said in jest to placate a very minor subset of bitter non-fans. 

 

Tully Ackland reaffirmed the scene's obvious purpose, though---which amounts to a Finger Twitching Revival combined with No One Could Survive That, as it's always been---thus leveling BioWare's "word of God" on the twenty-second breath clip.  If certain people decide to intentionally adopt a negative outlook, it's their business. 

[fhs33721]

How about making a tasteless joke about the ending on the heels of a major backlash against it in a room full of gamers and while being recorded for other gamers to watch was both foolish and shortsighted?

 

Especially if said "joke" was never explained as such.

So? You are constantly joking about the writing skill of the ME3 team on a Bioware owned forum. Don't you think that all those poor, poor Bioware employees that maintain it will be offended by your jokes *sob*? Your consant jokes are just foolish and shortsighted.

 

Sarcasm aside: It was a sentence clearly meant to be a joke, considering the tone of the delivery. People were just unexpetedly blowing it waay out of proportion for no sensible reason.

Just ask yourself the question: "Has there ever been a work of fiction, in which a breath of the protagonist after a seemingly deadly incident has illustrated anything else but her/his survival?"

The answer is no. So what could Bioware possibly want to show the player with this scene? Go figure. If people took the comment from Epler serious I'll argue that that is the real joke about the whole situation.

[Mathias]

"Oh it's just a video game, get over it."

 

Ok stop it, I don't wanna hear responses like that. Anything that can bring out all kinds of powerful emotions from you, shouldn't be disregarded. Even if it is "just" a video game.

 

Or his sense for humor is simply different then yours or your subjective feeling push it on completely different level?

 

Sense for humor is one of most subjective things ever and every joke can be perceived as funny, boring or insulting by different people. For me was his joke fine, for some people on BSN it was deadly insult and trolling and they made dozens of complaining threads here about it.

 

This is how humor works.

 

Which shows that he shouldn't have made the joke. It was a bit mean spirited towards the players who were upset over the whole thing. I understand how humor works, so please don't lecture me on it. If I pay to see a comedy show and I get offended then that's on me because I should've known what I was getting into. But Chris Epler ain't a comedian. The joke wasn't funny nor was it clever. People were making the same jokes about Shepard's breath scene ever since vanilla. I don't mind a little goofiness during a panel, that's all fine. But he should've been more sensitive to the issue.

[AlanC9]

How about making a tasteless joke about the ending on the heels of a major backlash against it in a room full of gamers and while being recorded for other gamers to watch was both foolish and shortsighted?
 
Especially if said "joke" was never explained as such.

What good would explaining that it was a joke have done? You knew it was a joke all along, right? As usual, I have trouble recognizing when you're doing one of your rhetoric things.

[Mathias]

So? You are constantly joking about the writing skill of the ME3 team on a Bioware owned forum. Don't you think that all those poor, poor Bioware employees that maintain it will be offended by your jokes *sob*? Your consant jokes are just foolish and shortsighted.

 

Sarcasm aside: It was a sentence clearly meant to be a joke, considering the tone of the delivery. People were just unexpetedly blowing it waay out of proportion for no sensible reason.

Just ask yourself the question: "Has there ever been a work of fiction, in which a breath of the protagonist after a seemingly deadly incident has illustrated anything else but her/his survival?"

The answer is no. So what could Bioware possibly want to show the player with this scene? Go figure. If people took the comment from Epler serious I'll argue that that is the real joke about the whole situation.

 

This is true, but when Mike Gamble joins in, and then on the forums you have Chris Priestly (in a non joking manner) explain that it was suppose to be ambiguous, then it shouldn't come as a surprise that people would be upset.

[JamesFaith]

Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and frog dies of it.

 

E. B. White.

 

So much to "necessity of explanation of jokes". 

[Mathias]

Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and frog dies of it.

 

E. B. White.

 

So much to "necessity of explanation of jokes". 

 

When I heard Epler say what he said, I thought of two things.

 

1. He was joking, and it wasn't a good one.

 

2. He was serious but conveying it in a goofy manner.

 

Either way it was not a smart move.

[CronoDragoon]

Ok stop it, I don't wanna hear responses like that. Anything that can bring out all kinds of powerful emotions from you, shouldn't be disregarded. Even if it is "just" a video game.

 

It's not being disregarded. It's being placed in the proper perspective. You can feel however strongly you want about a work, but the "NO JOKES ALLOWED" "be sensitive to my emotional needs" stuff just makes me scratch my head.

[fhs33721]

This is true, but when Mike Gamble joins in, and then on the forums you have Chris Priestly (in a non joking manner) explain that it was suppose to be ambiguous, then it shouldn't come as a surprise that people would be upset.

Well if they really wanted to make it ambiguous then they should have done an entirely different scene. Again I'm sure that there has never been any fictional work where someone took a breath after seemingly being dead and then did anything but survive.

Except maybe in some parallell universe where people don't breathe and then start to do it after death. There is zero ambiguousness about this scene and it just baffels me that anyone would even think otherwise, bad jokes or not.

[Iakus]

What good would explaining that it was a joke have done? You knew it was a joke all along, right? As usual, I have trouble recognizing when you're doing one of your rhetoric things.

 

Maybe it would have blown over as a joke, but Chris Priestly and Jessica Merizan ran with it, confirming the whole ambiguous nature of the breath scene.

 

So really, was it a joke?  If the waters are that muddied it kinda needs confirmation one way or the other.

[KaiserShep]

And what "deserves" a joke?

 

If the Arsenic Lullabies book has taught me anything...everything deserves a joke.

[CronoDragoon]

Maybe it would have blown over as a joke, but Chris Priestly and Jessica Merizan ran with it, confirming the whole ambiguous nature of the breath scene.

 

So really, was it a joke?  If the waters are that muddied it kinda needs confirmation one way or the other.

 

Yeah they really didn't help. But if that Tully Ackland quote doesn't do it for you not much will.

[Iakus]

So? You are constantly joking about the writing skill of the ME3 team on a Bioware owned forum. Don't you think that all those poor, poor Bioware employees that maintain it will be offended by your jokes *sob*? Your consant jokes are just foolish and shortsighted.

 

Sarcasm aside: It was a sentence clearly meant to be a joke, considering the tone of the delivery. People were just unexpetedly blowing it waay out of proportion for no sensible reason.

Just ask yourself the question: "Has there ever been a work of fiction, in which a breath of the protagonist after a seemingly deadly incident has illustrated anything else but her/his survival?"

The answer is no. So what could Bioware possibly want to show the player with this scene? Go figure. If people took the comment from Epler serious I'll argue that that is the real joke about the whole situation.

 

And if an actual developer ever came in and started chatting up the forum-goers, I'd be as civil and polite as anyone could hope for.  Because it's common courtesy.

 

And to answer your question:  such scenes are typically meant for the monster in the story, proving the creature that was supposed to be slain can return, and the hero didn't quite do the job right.

 

The hero typically gets an Unflinching Walk, Outrun the Fireball, No One Gets Left Behind, or even a Waking Up Elsewhere

 

What we got smacks more of Buried Alive

[Iakus]

Yeah they really didn't help. But if that Tully Ackland quote doesn't do it for you not much will.

 

Tully Ackland's post was before Epler's comment.  Smacks more of a Word of God retcon to me

[CronoDragoon]

Tully Ackland's post was before Epler's comment.  Smacks more of a Word of God retcon to me

 

They may have realized there were indeed people who wanted Shep to be dead in Destroy. Still, the Tully post explains the rationale behind the Destroy memorial scene, which is more than enough evidence for me.

[dreamgazer]

Tully Ackland's post was before Epler's comment.  Smacks more of a Word of God retcon to me

 

How so? One was an official, structured comment from a BioWare community manager.  The other was quite clearly said in jest and laughed off.