So does that mean he is pro mage in inquisition? Because he seems slightly pro mage in DA2 too, sheltering mages etc... He is doing it without anyone asking it and its all his own will that mages watch over themselves.
Here is the video, it shows it for all origins but the magi origin starts from 5:15.
I think he is not so much Pro-Mage as more Pro-Screw the Templars when he can. 
He also grants the dalish warden's clan Ostagar and the surrounding wilds, yet they spend the rest of their days at the foot of Sundermount.
Of course, given that the lands granted to them were a tainted blightland, one can hardly blame them.
Alistair was pretty much always pro-mage. He's not afraid of or repulsed by magic in the least. If anything, he's fascinated by it, and in DA:O the gifts that will get you the best returns from him are magical artifacts. Plus, it's pretty clear from his stories about his childhood that he has little love for the Chantry or the Templar order.
People read him as anti-mage because they think he hates Morrigan, based on their in-party interactions. But I always thought that interpretation was way off base. I mean, their "conflict" basically goes:
"You're dumb!"
"Oh yeah? Well, you have a big nose!"
That is like, second-grade level garbage right there. It's borderline flirting. If anything, I was expecting them to bang.
Alistair tried to grant the Circle of Magi autonomy. That didn't work out so hot. The Chantry basically shot him down. He tries to help mages outside the Circle, though.
And that's why the Chantry must burn to the ground. They do not respect their king's decision. They're not the boss of the land, the King is. They need to learn their place.
And that's why the Chantry must burn to the ground. They do not respect their king's decision. They're not the boss of the land, the King is. They need to learn their place.
He had no authority to make that promise in the first place.
I can't fault anyone for not respecting something Alistair said.
Separation of Church and State. He had no authority to make that promise in the first place.
The Chantry is on his land, a land that rightfully belongs to him.The Church (The Chantry) Must abide by the state's laws.
So does that mean he is pro mage in inquisition? Because he seems slightly pro mage in DA2 too, sheltering mages etc... He is doing it without anyone asking it and its all his own will that mages watch over themselves.
Here is the video, it shows it for all origins but the magi origin starts from 5:15.
Huh...so even if you get paragonhood post-death your family gets raised to nobility. The wardens sister won't have near as much trouble being bhelens official wife. Man, I gotta stop having loghain die instead of my warden so much some of these are great.
Separation of Church and State. He had no authority to make that promise in the first place.
Actually telling the chantry they don't have the right to violate the laws of the land and lock people up without permission is pretty much enforcing seperation of church and state. Letting the Chantry decide the law of what happens to a group of people is the violation of church and state.
Actually telling the chantry they don't have the right to violate the laws of the land and lock people up without permission is pretty much enforcing seperation of church and state. Letting the Chantry decide the law of what happens to a group of people is the violation of church and state.
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Separation of Church and State isn't a thing in Thedas, and it isn't going to be made a thing just because Alistair says so.
I wasn't saying they had it yet in thedas, I was just pointing out that saying he violated the seperation of church and state was pretty much the literal opposite of what happened.
Separation of Church and State isn't a thing in Thedas, and it isn't going to be made a thing just because Alistair says so.
Lol. Henry VIII can make his own church just to divorce a wife, but King Alistair can't tell the Orlesian Chantry to ****** off?
Lol. Henry VIII can make his own church just to divorce a wife, but King Alistair can't tell the Orlesian Chantry to ****** off?
Apparently he can't.
I'm not saying that any ruler couldn't do it. I'm saying that Alistair, specifically, can't.
Actually telling the chantry they don't have the right to violate the laws of the land and lock people up without permission is pretty much enforcing seperation of church and state. Letting the Chantry decide the law of what happens to a group of people is the violation of church and state.
His ancestors gave them authority over magical matters in exchange for them protecting the land from said magical matters.
The Chantry is on his land, a land that rightfully belongs to him.The Church (The Chantry) Must abide by the state's laws.
The Chantry is an international organization that existed there before Ferelden did. The Divine's authority and the King's authority are in different areas and Alsitair declaring the Circle free is overstepping his.
Lol. Henry VIII can make his own church just to divorce a wife, but King Alistair can't tell the Orlesian Chantry to ****** off?
King Henry had a nation at peak capacity so could fight them off in they wanted to confront him in war about it. Alistair had a nation suffering from civil war and a Blight so he had no such fighting force.
His ancestors gave them authority over magical matters in exchange for them protecting the land from said magical matters.
And letting them do that violates any theoretical seperation of church and state. Whatever you think of the morality of the chantry being involved with mages it most definitely a violation of church and state. I mean you can say "I think it's good that the chantry has control over mages" and that's fine but saying saying "it violates the seperation of church and state for him to not let them" is completely and entirely innaccurate. The current system lets the church make legal rules for people who may not even be members of their religion. That's the exact opposite of a seperation of church and state. Like this isn't a question.
I mean you can say "it's better in this case that there's no seperation of church and state" and that would be a matter of opinion rather than accuracy.
It's not "separation of church and state" as we understand it today in the modern world, but the point is that the King and the Chantry have a different purview and the Circle belongs to the Chantry.
Alistair tried to grant the Circle of Magi autonomy. That didn't work out so hot. The Chantry basically shot him down. He tries to help mages outside the Circle, though.
Knight -Commander Meredith: "You declare your Circle of Magi free, as if it were your right to do so, and thus stir up every mage outside of your kingdom"
It's not "separation of church and state" as we understand it today in the modern world, but the point is that the King and the Chantry have a different purview and the Circle belongs to the Chantry.
It's not any matter of seperation of church and state. Calling it that in any form at all is just plain innacurate.
Back on topic though, there's also an ending that lets there be a free mage circle in Orzammar. That I'm a bit more interested in.
You're quibbling over semantics. The King doesn't legally have the authority to declare the Circle of Ferelden free.
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