The ruling for the Right of Annulment would come from the Ferelden Grand Cleric in Denerim.
Ah really? Whoops. Still that matter would fall into a non-mages hands. And any mages there who were not followers of the chant of light would be forced to abide by a religious authority they don't even believe in. So comparing it to an embessy doesn't quite work.
i didnt say it was a perfect comparison, it just seemed the closest way to explain how the chantry goes about their business
i didnt say it was a perfect comparison, it just seemed the closest way to explain how the chantry goes about their business
I guess?
Back on topic though I'm still more interested in the dwarven circle if it gets made. Especially since it seems Dagna at least is getting a namedrop in DAI (and hopefully an appearance)
A circle with a steady unchecked access to lyrium? Wonder how that'll turn out. And if you did both....huh.
dwarves + magic = uhoh
Or the creation of the most awesome explosives Thedas has ever seen.
The Chantry,Mages and Templars are separate,the ruler can show support to Mages,but he doesn't have any right to do anything,if he for example force the Templars/Chantry out of Fereldan but left the Mages then most probably the righteous-ass Divine will want to do an Exalted March,and as Alistair said Fereldan is weak after the events of DAO/A.
It doesn't necessarily means he is Pro-Mage nor Anti-Mage,he simply grants a boon to the origin his fellow Grey Warden was from.
To be fair we don't actually know what he has the right to do. We don't know what Ferelden law says he can do. They did throw out the Gray wardens for a long time, and they had a treaty with those guys.
Now it'd probably be politically impossible to do just because the chant of light is the major religion of the area and in that time and place there'd be military backlash from the church and political backlash from the people but that's different than not having the right. We'd pretty much have to see whatever documentation lists what a king of Ferelden can do before we know what he has the right to do.
exactly, and we dont want short people taking over thedas, not while us tall people stand on top no siree
exactly, and we dont want short people taking over thedas, not while us tall people stand on top no siree
Considering my 'canon' warden is a dwarf and so will my inquisitor.....
"What do you mean 'we', tall one?"
Most of Thedas follows the Chantry,especially humans,theoretically he can do whatever he wants,but nobles and other people that support the Chantry/Templars might go against him,he simply won't have enough political/military power to accomplish the goal.
His attempt to remove the Templars would be as good as Loghain's attempt to remove the Grey Wardens.
Worked for Henry and he had a far less noble reason. It could seriously alter the balance of power in the region since mages will flock to Fereldan because of the increased freedoms.
But the pope in Henry's time was rather busy with a fractured Europe and the infighting within the Holy Roman Empire. Henry was also a rich king, with a well-built navy. It still left Henry very politically isolated.Worked for Henry and he had a far less noble reason. It could seriously alter the balance of power in the region since mages will flock to Fereldan because of the increased freedoms.
...Ferelden certainly couldnt risk being the target of an Exalted March...
Since it didn't happen, I suppose Alistair didn't insist or maybe Ferelden and the Chantry were still talking about it when the trouble started in Kirkwall?
Also, didn't Loghain promise something similar to Uldred in exchange of his help? I don't remember exactly.
But the pope in Henry's time was rather busy with a fractured Europe and the infighting within the Holy Roman Empire. Henry was also a rich king, with a well-built navy. It still left Henry very politically isolated.
The situation is therefore not really analogous to Ferelden- Ferelden was devastated militarily and economically by the Blight. The Chantry was still in an excellent position until several years after the events of DA:O. Ferelden certainly couldnt risk being the target of an Exalted March.
EDIT: I hate typos.
I'm not a fan of Henry comparison but if we are abiding, the world and chantry are at their weakest at the moment. Everyone are either too busy or weak to respond in any way to Ferelden declaring autonomy for its circle(s).
It would end disastrously for ferelden ignoring chantry and templars we pertty much saw what destruction mages cause even under rather strict control of chantry it would end poorly for ferelden if they pull that so they won't.
Besides i doubt that dead warden or alive matter here in both cases it was refused and gregoir don't have much to tell in that matter ultimately i doubt that KC have enough to do that.
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Ok so this is an interesting topic. If the Chantry is busy dealing with the Apocalypse and the Magi-Templar War, Alistair or Anora are finally in a position to enforce Circle Autonomy. Now imagine your Warden was a Blood Mage and defiled the Ashes and Andraste's Cult is rapidly gaining converts. With mages fleeing South and Dragons being worshiped Ferelden is suddenly looking like the beginnings of a new Tevinter Imperium. That would be one hell of a world state.
I wonder if they'll keep Andraste's Cult epilogue if the Ashes were laced with Dragon blood. And if it plays off the Magi boon. I'm not expecting much, but it would be interesting to see how this scenario would shape out.
Edit: For the record I'm not anti-Chantry or anything (not a big fan though). This is just an alternate world state I created a while back. Actually finding the Ashes for the Chantry takes the Warden's badassery to level 11.
Keep in mind that as King Alistair isn't even the absolute secular authority. The power of kings in Ferelden is limited by the landsmeet. Monarchs can be overruled, and in order to avoid laws being struck down the monarchs in Ferelden need to sway a majority of the nobles to their side of the argument.
Alistair wishing to grant the mages autonomy might also run into trouble with the landsmeet.
Keep in mind that as King Alistair isn't even the absolute secular authority. The power of kings in Ferelden is limited by the landsmeet. Monarchs can be overruled, and in order to avoid laws being struck down the monarchs in Ferelden need to sway a majority of the nobles to their side of the argument.
Alistair wishing to grant the mages autonomy might also run into trouble with the landsmeet.
Hypothetically speaking, I wonder how this would go if a mage Warden was alive and Alistair decided to declare the Circle free. He'd certainly request the Warden be present at the landsmeet.
Hypothetically speaking, I wonder how this would go if a mage Warden was alive and Alistair decided to declare the Circle free. He'd certainly request the Warden be present at the landsmeet.
The boons specific for the City Elf, Dalish Elf, and Mage didn't seem to work out in the end. 
The boons specific for the City Elf, Dalish Elf, and Mage didn't seem to work out in the end.
Be careful what you wish for.....
But I don't recall anything about the CE going poorly? Either you or Shanni becomes Bann, and that's the last we hear of it. (Unless there is something in DA2).
(Monotone voice) More evidence that I was correct in my decision to condemn Alistair to the cutting board.
This is very intressing topic 
I don't think Alistair has authority over Chantry at the time of DAO. There isn't freedom for religion in same sense in Thedas as it is in modern world (not still in all countries though), religion still impacts a lot in persons lives even if they aren't religious themselves. Whole thing seems to be little complicated but chantries have templars as their armies and they seem to be well respected by citizens and nobles. Going against chantry would be bad move politically. Alistair is new as king, without army and he's trying to change very old traditions.
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