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[ffleishi]

To those of you who have read Masked Empire!

 

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With Celene's Champion, Ser Michel, forfeiting the duel for Orlais with Gaspard De Chalons (through Briala's favor), Gaspard was named the new Emperor of Orlais. Celene was banished from Orlais and transported though the Eluvian safely to her Winter Palace in Halamshiral. Is this why we have been shown Images of The Winter Palace? Is this her only residence now? I'm guessing that's where you infiltrate the party that is being held. 

I think it'll be interesting to see how Orlais has been run with Gaspard as it's Emperor. With Celene I, Orlais went through a cultural Renaissance, art, philosophy, education etc. I have a feeling Gaspard will achieve the direct opposite of what Celene has done.

Thoughts?



 

[Hellion Rex]

Celene still rules. There has been no transition of power as of yet. Gaspard is still trying to usurp. She may be in Halamshiral, but as far as I know, he doesn't control Val Royeaux, which in my opinion, would make him Emperor.

[CronoDragoon]

The duel was inconclusive, as Celene claims Gaspard yielded before Michel did (also that his mages hexed Michel, which they did). It's still a race to Val to secure the throne, at least as of the end of ME.

[Hellion Rex]

The duel was inconclusive, as Celene claims Gaspard yielded before Michel did (also that his mages hexed Michel, which they did). It's still a race to Val to secure the throne, at least as of the end of ME.

Indeed. And I'm pretty sure that Celene still rules Val for now.

[ffleishi]

Celene still rules. There has been no transition of power as of yet. Gaspard is still trying to usurp. She may be in Halamshiral, but as far as I know, he doesn't control Val Royeaux, which in my opinion, would make him Emperor.

 

Ah, I see! Still would the Orlesian people be accepting of Gaspard? It seems like the Orlesians are split down the middle for who they wish to have lead them. But from their point of view, Gaspard has returned from the Riots at Halamshiral, Celene has not. Wouldn't that be a sure sign that he has won the battle for the throne? 

[CronoDragoon]

Ah, I see! Still would the Orlesian people be accepting of Gaspard? It seems like the Orlesians are split down the middle for who they wish to have lead them. But from their point of view, Gaspard has returned from the Riots at Halamshiral, Celene has not. Wouldn't that be a sure sign that he has won the battle for the throne? 

 

The Orlesian people or the nobles? The nobles may well be split. The people may favor Gaspard as he promises to take a firm hand in the mage/templar conflict, and because of his outspoken distaste for the idea of elven rights (not that I believe the common people will hold any relevance in the outcome of the Civil war. They seem content to let the ruler be decided by the Game).

 

Neither has returned from Halamshiral, though. We do now from Asunder that one popular rumor floating around was that Celene was dead, but Gaspard made it clear that he would not assert this until it was true.

[Crunchycarp]

Ah, I see! Still would the Orlesian people be accepting of Gaspard? It seems like the Orlesians are split down the middle for who they wish to have lead them. But from their point of view, Gaspard has returned from the Riots at Halamshiral, Celene has not. Wouldn't that be a sure sign that he has won the battle for the throne?

Since Celene sent word to report that she was still alive then Gaspard can't take the throne even if she isn't there because she is still alive and it would take more than just walking into the city and sitting on the throne to put Gaspard in rule.

[ffleishi]

The duel was inconclusive, as Celene claims Gaspard yielded before Michel did (also that his mages hexed Michel, which they did). It's still a race to Val to secure the throne, at least as of the end of ME.

 

Yeah. It was pretty obvious that Briala didn't want Celene as ruler anymore, since she dropped her in Halamshiral; then Michel and Gaspard right outside Val Chevin. At the end of the book Celene seemed relieved at the fact she didn't have to worry about politics in Orlais for a time anyway. It's safe to assume that she will have her Empire back soon enough. After all, not long after her arrival back in the Winter Palace she managed to persuade Lord Pierre of Halamshiral to surrender it to her...and she succeded! Bit by bit, she will reclaim Orlais

[OynxDragon666]

This might be partly true that Gaspard will introduce himself as rightful the Emperor in an attempt to get the Inquisitor on hisside. though regardless of whether not he will, it will be up to players on who ends the victor in this conflict.

 

unless Bioware releases another book ending the conflict.

[katerinafm]

In DAI we'll probably have influence over who secures the throne, much like in DAO with Orzammar or the Landsmeet. That duel was not final since it was a rigged and Gaspard didn't actually win since Michel just stopped fighting (and would have probably won if it wasn't for the hexes)

[The Night Haunter]

In DAI we'll probably have influence over who secures the throne, much like in DAO with Orzammar or the Landsmeet. That duel was not final since it was a rigged and Gaspard didn't actually win since Michel just stopped fighting (and would have probably won if it wasn't for the hexes)

Spoiler

Actually Michel did win, even after the hexes. He had Gaspard cold, but before he slew him Briala halted him.

To be clear: I am not arguing the outcome, both Celene and Gaspard are still fighting. I am simply saying Michel is badass and kicked Gaspard's  ass.

[The Baconer]

Ah, I see! Still would the Orlesian people be accepting of Gaspard? It seems like the Orlesians are split down the middle for who they wish to have lead them. But from their point of view, Gaspard has returned from the Riots at Halamshiral, Celene has not. Wouldn't that be a sure sign that he has won the battle for the throne? 

 

I remember one of the common folk saying they don't even know who the hell Gaspard is.

[wcholcombe]

Spoilers:

http://www.dragonage...ook-halamshiral

 

http://www.dragonage...s=1400791592553

 

 

Spoiler

Celene apparently made it back to Val Royeux.  The civil war has ground to a halt and the mission in the winter palace is a peace meeting between celene and Gaspard to try to come to some truce.

[thats1evildude]

 

Ah, I see! Still would the Orlesian people be accepting of Gaspard? It seems like the Orlesians are split down the middle for who they wish to have lead them. But from their point of view, Gaspard has returned from the Riots at Halamshiral, Celene has not. Wouldn't that be a sure sign that he has won the battle for the throne? 

 

 

"When it's all over, do you think it makes a whit of difference who wins? Gaspard or Celene ... all the same to us, down here in the dirt."

 

The common folk don't care who sits the throne so long as the current ruler brings them security and prosperity.

[katerinafm]

Spoiler

Actually Michel did win, even after the hexes. He had Gaspard cold, but before he slew him Briala halted him.

To be clear: I am not arguing the outcome, both Celene and Gaspard are still fighting. I am simply saying Michel is badass and kicked Gaspard's  ass.

 

 I agree. But yeah, that's what I meant when I said that Michel stopped fighting.

[wcholcombe]

I don't care. I don't want either Celene or Gaspard to rule. I hope Morrigan is the 'Yes Man!' of DA:I and that she has an ace up her sleeve with her agenda coinciding with anarchy in Orlais.

I am afraid from what we know so far that burning orlais to the ground won't be an option.

 

 

 

 

"When it's all over, do you think it makes a whit of difference who wins? Gaspard or Celene ... all the same to us, down here in the dirt."

 

The common folk don't care who sits the throne so long as the current ruler brings them security and prosperity.

 

Yeah pretty much the "people" of orlais don't really matter what they think. It is primarily up to the Nobles.

[The Baconer]

I am afraid from what we know so far that burning orlais to the ground won't be an option.

 

I don't want to burn it to the ground. I just want to fill the mass graves with nobles.

[Sylvianus]

Spoilers:

http://www.dragonage...ook-halamshiral

 

http://www.dragonage...s=1400791592553

 

 

Spoiler

Celene apparently made it back to Val Royeux.  The civil war has ground to a halt and the mission in the winter palace is a peace meeting between celene and Gaspard to try to come to some truce.

 

So Celene succeeded to come back to Val Royeaux ? I thought that if she did such thing ( as written in the book ) it would mean that she'd crush Gaspard ? ( which doesn't seem the case ? ) Interesting. 

[wcholcombe]

So Celene succeeded to come back to Val Royeaux ? I thought that if she did such thing ( as written in the book ) it would mean that she'd crush Gaspard ? ( which doesn't seem the case ? ) Interesting. 

I think that was more in reference to Gaspard's best chance for a quick resolution layed in keeping her out of the capitol.  The capitol gives legitimacy.  I am sure Celene getting back lays in part of the reason the Civil war is in the state it is.  Gaspard may have more support then Celene thought from the nobles, but she is still the legitimate ruler and is in possession of the capitol.

[The Night Haunter]

I think that was more in reference to Gaspard's best chance for a quick resolution layed in keeping her out of the capitol.  The capitol gives legitimacy.  I am sure Celene getting back lays in part of the reason the Civil war is in the state it is.  Gaspard may have more support then Celene thought from the nobles, but she is still the legitimate ruler and is in possession of the capitol.

Pretty much this, it is intimated in the book that the majority of nobles were siding against her. This is unsurprising as aristocracy is typically rigid and resistant to change, which is what Celene represents with her treatment of both elves and commoners in general. As such she needs an added advantage to keep parity with Gaspard, and thus Val Royauex.

[Sir Froggie]

I don't want to burn it to the ground. I just want to fill the mass graves with nobles.

Well if the graves are already dug, who are we to argue?

[The Baconer]

Well if the graves are already dug, who are we to argue?

 

The Abyssal Rift was made for it.

[In Exile]

Pretty much this, it is intimated in the book that the majority of nobles were siding against her. This is unsurprising as aristocracy is typically rigid and resistant to change, which is what Celene represents with her treatment of both elves and commoners in general. As such she needs an added advantage to keep parity with Gaspard, and thus Val Royauex.

 

I never understood that. If the nobles are siding with Gaspard, that pretty much sounds like her goose is cooked. Val Royeaux is all nice and symbolic, but how could it matter in the face of increasing political isolation?