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The Revenant on non-accuracyboosting classes - Does anyone use it?


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TheNightSlasher

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By the way, what did the Geth engi do to you for not being listed in the accuracy boosting kits? XD

Hehe, I have nothing against the GE. I know that the GE can be as good as the other two (better than GT IMO because of shield stripping power) when it comes to making a weapon shine. But GE is not usually mentioned on the forums as 'go-to weapons class' where as the other 5 I listed are the commonly mentioned ones - hence I left out the GE. :P



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The problem with the Revenant isn't necessarily its accuracy or stability, it's the fact that it doesn't do enough damage to compensate.  I have tried it on close-range classes, and it's really not that good.  I always say that the most important attribute for a close-range gun is its ability to consistently kill any mook within the time of their stagger animation.  If a gun can do that, it's a pretty good close-range weapon.  The Revenant can't always do that consistently unless you're literally in their face.  And if you're going to be that close, there are many guns that will do it better.

 

The only class that I semi-like the Revenant on is the Geth Engineer.  It's kind of like you're using a weaker version of the Typhoon, but it doesn't need a ramp-up when you stop firing to Overload.  It also doesn't weigh that much, so you can spam Overload.  I still don't think it's a good gun in that setup, but it's OK.


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I've used it on melee classes as well. When the bullet wall theory falls apart you can always beat things to death with it.


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The problem with the Revenant isn't necessarily its accuracy or stability, it's the fact that it doesn't do enough damage to compensate.  I have tried it on close-range classes, and it's really not that good.  I always say that the most important attribute for a close-range gun is its ability to consistently kill any mook within the time of their stagger animation.  If a gun can do that, it's a pretty good close-range weapon.  The Revenant can't always do that consistently unless you're literally in their face.  And if you're going to be that close, there are many guns that will do it better.

 

The only class that I semi-like the Revenant on is the Geth Engineer.  It's kind of like you're using a weaker version of the Typhoon, but it doesn't need a ramp-up when you stop firing to Overload.  It also doesn't weigh that much, so you can spam Overload.  I still don't think it's a good gun in that setup, but it's OK.

 

Kind of agreed, yeah.

 

The point is: accuracy is a huge drawback. I can work my way around it, but in order for me to want to do it I need a motivation. In other words, if a gun has an absolutely shitty accuracy like the revenant, it better kicks some real ass if I work my way around accuracy (either via accuracy boosts, or by being in melee range). And the fact is that it doesn't. It does good damage, but it's nowhere near enough ass kicking for me to justify the hassle of getting it to work right.

 

Take the Raider: you have to work to get her at her best, either by using accuracy boosts or by being in melee range. But when you do... Stuff blows up by itself. If the revenant blew stuff up in melee range, then I'd consider using it. Since it doesn't, it goes to the trash compactor for me.


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^ I actually think it does 'good' damage if you can work your way around the accuracy issue. I put good in quotes because I am comparing it to other rare ARs and I think it's damage is a bit better than most. (I am not a numbers guy, I am solely basing these on my experience). It'd be foolish of me to compare it's damage output with some of the best ARs like typhoon, harrier, PPR, saber.

 

I do understand your argument involving the Raider though. Raider is rewarding if you get up close and blow the heads off. Revenant is not in that category - not even close. But it can make quicker work of mooks up close than other rare ARs.

 

However, this is purely based on my experience. I could completely be wrong when you consider the actual numbers and stuff.



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Revenant should have been a Claymoar of AR word i.e. rare AR that does damage.
Either its accuracy and stability should have been improved, or damage increased. And movement speed penalty is retarded.

Great on Destroyer and TSol... but both prefer Typhoon.

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But it can make quicker work of mooks up close than other rare ARs.

 

In my experience only Marksman improves Revenant's accuracy enough that it beats Collector Rifle in mook killing, despite its better DPS. Unless by "up close" you mean "down their throats" close.

 

Revenant, of course, is much better at dealing with heavy armor.

 

Revenant should have been a Claymoar of AR word i.e. rare AR that does damage.
Either its accuracy and stability should have been improved, or damage increased. And movement speed penalty is retarded.

Great on Destroyer and TSol... but both prefer Typhoon.

 

Yeah... Typhoon is pretty much what Revenant should've been from the get-go. Well, ramp-up excluded, perhaps.



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From hardcover. It is one of the most misunderstood weapons in the game. It is a light machine gun.

 

Light means light, it is good for casters it gives a decent cooldown.

 

Machine gun means it is supposed to be used from a fix position not from hand.

 

I tired it on a good number of casters and it works fine. It is definitely not for weapon platforms as they have better (heavier) alternatives.

 

I am also very well aware of the fact that using hard cover is out of fashion, I am just saying that it works best from it. Just try it.



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^ I actually think it does 'good' damage if you can work your way around the accuracy issue. I put good in quotes because I am comparing it to other rare ARs and I think it's damage is a bit better than most. (I am not a numbers guy, I am solely basing these on my experience). It'd be foolish of me to compare it's damage output with some of the best ARs like typhoon, harrier, PPR, saber.

 

I do understand your argument involving the Raider though. Raider is rewarding if you get up close and blow the heads off. Revenant is not in that category - not even close. But it can make quicker work of mooks up close than other rare ARs.

 

However, this is purely based on my experience. I could completely be wrong when you consider the actual numbers and stuff.

 

It has decent or good damage, just not enough.  Its DPS is a little bit better than guns like the Lancer, Valkyrie, Saber, Hornet, Eagle, CSMG, and BPP.  So you might kill close range mooks a little bit faster with the Revenant than with those guns.  But all those guns have other things going for them that makes them superior guns, including better range, lighter weight, and/or increased armor damage.  The Revenant doesn't have anything extra.

 

EDIT: And I'm not even going to compare it to the Hurricane.  To really balance this game, the Revenant should have had DPS closer to the Hurricane's now (and should have weighed about 1.8-2.3) and the Hurricane should have had DPS closer to the Revenant's.



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Revenant does kill faster in the 'up their throats close' range for sure.. but that's where you gotta be to make it work.

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Revenant does kill faster in the 'up their throats close' range for sure.. but that's where you gotta be to make it work.

 

I noticed your choice of words: up their throats instead of down their throats. So where exactly are you sticking that weapon...?


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@RTK2Lional
LMG is a machine that a single soldier can use (i.e. do not need a crew). It's not a "caster machinegun"
Typhoon and SF are LMGs as well.

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^ I actually think it does 'good' damage if you can work your way around the accuracy issue. I put good in quotes because I am comparing it to other rare ARs and I think it's damage is a bit better than most. (I am not a numbers guy, I am solely basing these on my experience). It'd be foolish of me to compare it's damage output with some of the best ARs like typhoon, harrier, PPR, saber.

 

I do understand your argument involving the Raider though. Raider is rewarding if you get up close and blow the heads off. Revenant is not in that category - not even close. But it can make quicker work of mooks up close than other rare ARs.

 

However, this is purely based on my experience. I could completely be wrong when you consider the actual numbers and stuff.

 

Nah that's my experience too. But that's the point... It is *a bit* better than most rare ARs. A bit. If I've gotta work around such a big thing as accuracy issues, then I am not satisfied with doing a bit more damage. Why would I want to go through the hassle of getting into melee range/using MM if I could stay back, relax and pop heads with say, an argus at long range while dealing only slightly less damage? If I'm making up for accuracy issues, I wanna blow the competition up when I'm doing it right, you know what I mean?



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I noticed your choice of words: up their throats instead of down their throats. So where exactly are you sticking that weapon...?


Under the chin obvs.. then the muzzle climb leads to headshots.

I just used it less than 5 minutes ago on the Quarian Marksman. I didn't really feel that the accuracy got much better when in Marksman.. but hard cover helped much more IMO. I mostly just hipfired it inside of Reegar range.. it worked fine like that.. which coincidentally, is also how I use it on the Krosol.

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@RTK2Lional
LMG is a machine that a single soldier can use (i.e. do not need a crew). It's not a "caster machinegun"
Typhoon and SF are LMGs as well.

 

Just try it.



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Revenant is like a lightweight Claymore that fires one pellet at a time...

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I had no honor to begin with. I just couple the Hurricane with my Acolyte. (Oh, hey, nice sig! :-P)

 

Sorry to go off topic, and I mean no disrespect to anyone at all - but this response made me think of the following: 

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Anyway, more on-topic - I can't really bring myself to dust off the Revenant after completing the challenge for it. A shame ... I really liked it in ME2. 


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#43
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Just try it.


BSN says hard cover is for scrubs.. sniffing the wall while using right hand advantage is the ONE AND ONLY way to play!!

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Revenant is like a lightweight Claymore that fires one pellet at a time...

 

Except that 1 Claymore pellet = 2.5 Revenant bullets. Evi would be a close match.



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Revenant does crap damage in this game, especially considering the accuracy.  They balanced it by making it overly light, but of course not as light as various other guns that do better damage.



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edited: removed inappropriate content ~Mod05
 

Just try it.

Oh, thank you for enlightening me, I would have never tried it....

I like it on destroyer when I'm not in the mood for typhoon/PPR. It should have had base RoF and Accuracy that it has w destroyer to be a great weapon.

Also, I didn't write that it's bad or hard cover is bad. I wrote that your definition of LMG is funny at best.



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Just try it.

 

Hard cover makes most guns better.  Almost any hitscan gun other than the Harrier, in fact.  That's like saying "try it on the Turian Soldier."  Of course it's going to be better.  It's still underwhelming compared to other available options.



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I exclusively use it on the Kroguard, actually..

Something that charges straight into optimal revenant range (i.e. the face) is the way to go

 

 

I also like it on the Kroguard . Suits his personality particularly in Rage mode :D



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Except that 1 Claymore pellet = 2.5 Revenant bullets. Evi would be a close match.


I'll admit, I was being generous. Eviscerator is too accurate to compare revenant too :\

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I use on my melee Krogan Sentinel. :D

I've also used it on my Batarian Sentinel when it was selected for me by a randomizer. :P