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[capn233]

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About some of the things discussed here:

1. I used it on 'power-based' classes or casters, as many call it. I dislike weapon platforms and so, I tried it on shaman, batsent, batguard among others. For the shaman, it was warp > shoot a bit > shockwave. Batsent - shoot with disruptor > shockwave. Sure, there are better alternatives for casters but I got bored of trying the same set of weapons and tried the revenant instead. It was better than I anticipated.

2. Comparing it with typhoon is understandable from one point of view but on the other hand, typhoon's weight and ramp-up makes it a terrible gun for power-intensive classes (I kinda feel the same about PPR).

 

Obviously nearly any weapon can be made to work on any class.  Even mediocre weapons.

 

Point two is why the balancing of the Revenant was criminal.  It should have been the poor man's Typhoon.  2.0 weight at X with better stat dps than pretty much any AR except the Typhoon (against protections anyway).  There is no need for some oddball 1.25x weapon that acts like a video game machinegun, but does not have the damage per shot to back it up.

[TheNightSlasher]

^ True, but to me, typhoon is only for 4-5 classes (destroyer, GTS, TSol, QMS, HSol and may be a couple of lolfiltrators). Honestly, I'd pick revenant on any other power class because typhoon is heavy and has a ramp-up.

 

And also, the classification about how LMGs should be (heavy and packing a punch), how caster guns should be is all lost when a stupid SMG like hurricane beats 90% of the weapons in this game. Same can be said abt arc pistol, talon etc.

 

And ya, any weapon can be made to work. As I stated in the OP, I was curious if anyone modifies their playstyle to get the most out of a gun. For revenant, you are forced to be in close range. Take tempest v. hurricane for example. I don't have to 'modify' my playstyle to use temperst instead of hurricane on a class like HA. Revenant is different, atleast I feel so. If you are used to harrier and try to use revenant similarly (from mid to longer ranges), you can't hit anything reliably. You need to be in CQC ranges for the gun to do any damage.

 

I use revenant solely for that purpose. It kinda forces me to adapt to a different playstyle, not because it has a supreme damage output.

[capn233]

Well Tempest and Hurricane aren't too different except that one is markedly superior.

 

There really isn't too much that is like the Revenant unless you want to compare it to Lancer or Hurricane, which are perhaps the nearest analogues.

[TheNightSlasher]

There really isn't too much that is like the Revenant unless you want to compare it to Lancer or Hurricane, which are perhaps the nearest analogues.

That is exactly what makes me want to use the revenant - there isn't too much that is like that gun.

[megabeast37215]

Randomizer gave me the Revenant on the Krogan Shaman last night.. and it was actually really good. No movement speed penalty when firing, light enough where I could make bio booms, good boss performance with HVB+EM+Warp IV. Also used Barrage upgrade bc I didn't feel like wrestling it all game.. but yeah, I might keep it on him. Really enjoyed it.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Randomizer gave me the Revenant on the Krogan Shaman last night.. and it was actually really good. No movement speed penalty when firing, light enough where I could make bio booms, good boss performance with HVB+EM+Warp IV. Also used Barrage upgrade bc I didn't feel like wrestling it all game.. but yeah, I might keep it on him. Really enjoyed it.

 

The danger of all the repetition about how some guns are SO much worse than others is that eventually we start to believe they are completely ineffective, instead of only mildy less destructive to the enemy. I'm pleased that you had a good experience with something different.

[Miniditka77]

OK, so I tried the Revenant for a few games on a QFE.  It worked OK on that setup, and my cooldowns were low enough to spam powers.  Firing from hard cover was pretty much required for any kind of effectiveness against mooks, but even in hard cover, headshots were a result of random chance.  The best thing it does is keeps continuous fire on bosses while allowing you to spam powers.  Overall, it worked better than I thought, but there is still a LONG list of ARs and other rapid-fire guns I'd rather use on casters, including:

Harrier (of course, but maybe not until higher levels for cooldown reasons)

Valkyrie (same)

Lancer (even at Level 1, it's better on casters than the Revenant X)

Hurricane (same)

BPP (same)

CSMG (same)

Eagle (maybe not at very low levels)

CAR

Vindicator (on a class that has a good anti-armor power)

GPR (same)

Hornet

Mattock

 

[Deerber]

 

but there is still a LONG list of ARs and other rapid-fire guns I'd rather use on casters, including:

Harrier (of course, but maybe not until higher levels for cooldown reasons)

Valkyrie (same)

Lancer (even at Level 1, it's better on casters than the Revenant X)

Hurricane (same)

BPP (same)

CSMG (same)

Eagle (maybe not at very low levels)

CAR

Vindicator (on a class that has a good anti-armor power)

GPR (same)

Hornet

Mattock

 

You forgot the Claymore.

[Miniditka77]

You forgot the Claymore.

 

I was only naming rapid-fire guns.  I didn't even start getting into pistols/shotguns/snipers.  Although I guess you could add the Raptor and maybe high-level CSR and PPR to that list too.

[Deerber]

I was only naming rapid-fire guns.  I didn't even start getting into pistols/shotguns/snipers.  Although I guess you could add the Raptor and maybe high-level CSR and PPR to that list too.

 

... You still forgot the Claymore!

[megabeast37215]

Claymore is trash.

[TheNightSlasher]

Why are people comparing revenant to guns like harrier, hurricane and stuff? :/ It is obvious that revenant is no match for harrier or hurricane.

 

The point of my post was to say that revenant can be made to work on classes even without accuracy boosts. Just need to adjust your playstyle a bit and I was just curious if anyone else tried a similar strategy by modifying their play style to utilize under-used guns like revenant (apart from the GI, tsol, destroyer etc answers).

[N7 Tigger]

Claymore is trash.

 

[TheNightSlasher]

Claymore is trash.

Yup. 

[Miniditka77]

Why are people comparing revenant to guns like harrier, hurricane and stuff? :/ It is obvious that revenant is no match for harrier or hurricane.

 

The point of my post was to say that revenant can be made to work on classes even without accuracy boosts. Just need to adjust your playstyle a bit and I was just curious if anyone else tried a similar strategy by modifying their play style to utilize under-used guns like revenant (apart from the GI, tsol, destroyer etc answers).

 

I'm not really comparing to the Harrier or Hurricane.  I'm comparing it to the Lancer, BPP, CSMG, Eagle, CAR, Vindicator, GPR, Hornet, and Mattock as a caster weapon, and found the Revenant wanting in comparison.  To be fair, my QFE experience elevated the Revenant above the Phaeston, Tempest, Phalanx, and Falcon as a caster weapon, and also above the CAR, Vindicator, and GPR as a caster weapon on classes that don't have good anti-armor powers.

[Awakened_Pyjak]

I just tried it on the Asari Valkyrie, on Gold/Collectors, it was good and really fun. I hipfired it almost all the time, it's accurate enough in CQC, against groups of mooks, and against Scions/Praetorians. Seriously, with warp debuff, a-field, and warp ammo, it does pretty good damage, and it's somewhat light.

And the most important thing : Asaris look incredibly awesome with tech armor, annihilation field, and a big ****** gun in their hands.

After playing some games with a Paladin, a Justicar, a Krodept and a TSent, I'm starting to believe that the Revenant is a good castor weapon, as stupid as it sounds.

I might try a Revenant Fury soon.

[Turian Master Race]

The title of the thread gets at the heart of the issue.  As I stated before, the Revenant has some of the poorest accuracy (and stability) in the game, with middle of the road damage in the AR class.  I don't have to compare it to UR's if I can choose any weapon on a non-accuracy boosting class, because there are plenty of rares in those classes that trounce it completely.

 

 

You still have not read the title of the thread, have you? Your argument is irrelevant. No one said that the revenant is better than this or that weapon, the question was to suggest builds for the OP on non-accoracy boosting classes.

 

from NST:

 

Once again, I reiterate that revenant is no harrier or even lancer when the discussion of ARs for casters comes up. But, by tweaking the playstyle a bit (focusing on CQC/melee range combat), one can make the revenant work well even on classes without accuracy boost. 

 

I was curious if anyone here did the same for other weapons - tweaking your playstyle to make a sub-optimal weapon work. Unfortunately, there haven't been many responses to that.

 

 

Did you do that? Do you have any suggestion how to use the revenant?

[Turian Master Race]

I couldn't care less if you like to run the Revenant.  The hang up is when anyone would claim that it is better for casters than weapon users.  Good weapons are good on any class, but poor weapons are better on the weapon classes.  There is only one class that is a "caster" with accuracy buffs and that is the GE.  It is one of the few where the Revenant isn't completely mediocre.  The Turian Sentinel can get away with it a little due to stability and extra damage from passive, as well as incendiary cheese.  Other than that it is going to be much better on anybody who can buff weapon damage and or accuracy since it is solidly mediocre even considering the 1.25 weight.

 

As for the second part of your question, pleasse read the comments made by people how actually took the effort and tried the revenant on a caster class.

 

Randomizer gave me the Revenant on the Krogan Shaman last night.. and it was actually really good. No movement speed penalty when firing, light enough where I could make bio booms, good boss performance with HVB+EM+Warp IV. Also used Barrage upgrade bc I didn't feel like wrestling it all game.. but yeah, I might keep it on him. Really enjoyed it.

 

 

I'm not really comparing to the Harrier or Hurricane.  I'm comparing it to the Lancer, BPP, CSMG, Eagle, CAR, Vindicator, GPR, Hornet, and Mattock as a caster weapon, and found the Revenant wanting in comparison.  To be fair, my QFE experience elevated the Revenant above the Phaeston, Tempest, Phalanx, and Falcon as a caster weapon, and also above the CAR, Vindicator, and GPR as a caster weapon on classes that don't have good anti-armor powers.

 

 

After playing some games with a Paladin, a Justicar, a Krodept and a TSent, I'm starting to believe that the Revenant is a good castor weapon, as stupid as it sounds.

I might try a Revenant Fury soon.