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[Bardox9]

Why do people think the Normandy makes a jump through the Sol Relay after the Crucible fires? Even FTL would take too much time to both reach the Relay and plot a course for the relay to send a ship. There just wouldn't be enough time. More likely that Joker went right past the relay (or in a completely different direction) heading for one of our neighboring star systems trying to out run the wave.

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't think Joker would have had the time to use the relay for a jump. Has Bioware released a statement I haven't seen saying they used the relay??

[Kabooooom]

People think that because any habitable world near Sol would be colonized already, even though the Alpha Centauri nonsense (which makes zero sense) from Cerberus News basically invalidates that logic. Many people think that is where the Normandy ended up.

But let's check some math right quick to see if you are right. One of the only FTL velocities we are given in the trilogy is Ashley describing 12 ly as "one day's travel". We know the Normandy can travel faster than this, but let's use 12 ly/day as a minimum velocity for simplicity. Pluto, and the Charon Relay, are an average of 320 light minutes from Earth. The number obviously varies with orbit of the planets, but it is so minuscule compared to Normandy's velocity that it doesn't affect the calculation to the point that it changes our conclusion - when you do the conversion, this equals 0.0006 light years. Multiply that by the minimal FTL velocity listed above and convert it from days into minutes and you get 0.72 minutes from Earth to Pluto/Charon Relay. That's pretty god damned fast. People underestimate how ridiculously fast the FTL drives in Mass Effect are described as being. That is easily enough time to make a relay jump away.

Edit: forgot a zero

[SwobyJ]

Why did they even go? That's the question. "Joker, we have to go." ..Why?

[KaiserShep]

Why did they even go? That's the question. "Joker, we have to go." ..Why?

 

I assume they figured it was a necessary precaution in case the blast is enough to cripple their ships, which is actually something that will happen if the Crucible is not built well enough.

[themikefest]

I assume they figured it was a necessary precaution in case the blast is enough to cripple their ships, which is actually something that will happen if the Crucible is not built well enough.

I would like to know if Hackett gave a heads up to all the ground forces on Earth to seek cover if possible.

[KaiserShep]

I would like to know if Hackett gave a heads up to all the ground forces on Earth to seek cover if possible.

 

That's something that's always bugged me, but I don't think one can realistically expect much to become of that. It's like telling everyone to duck under a table when a nuke is going off right over your house. If the Crucible is presumably powerful enough to destroy the reapers, I suppose you just have to cross your fingers and hope it doesn't vaporize the surface of the earth in the process. Trying to hide in city ruins would probably be no better than lying naked on a beach. It's also more likely that people in space would be in greater danger, since it's possible that even if it doesn't harm the people themselves, it could render their technology inoperable, leaving them stranded to die in space.

 

The thing that's always bugged me more is that Joker does not rendezvous with the rest of the fleet. He's at the helm of the most advanced ship the Alliance has, and he somehow doesn't manage to meet up with a massive fleet of dreadnoughts? C'mon neckbeard. You had one job.

[themikefest]

The warning would at least give them a chance no matter how small.

[KaiserShep]

Thing is, anyone who is fighting can't flee, and anyone who isn't fighting is already trying to hide.

[SporkFu]

Just because we don't actually hear Hackett say the words to warn the ground forces doesn't mean they weren't warned. Communication groundside was likely spotty at best, but I'm guessing that when Hackett ordered all fleets to meet at the rendezvous, some word was at least attempted. 

[themikefest]

 

 

The thing that's always bugged me more is that Joker does not rendezvous with the rest of the fleet. He's at the helm of the most advanced ship the Alliance has, and he somehow doesn't manage to meet up with a massive fleet of dreadnoughts? C'mon neckbeard. You had one job.

I agree

 

I posted in The things discovered thread, that the Normandy is not the last ship to leave Earth, so I don't see a reason why the Normandy coudn't meet up with the rest of the fleets.

[KaiserShep]

I agree

 

I posted in The things discovered thread, that the Normandy is not the last ship to leave Earth, so I don't see a reason why the Normandy coudn't meet up with the rest of the fleets.

 

Unfortunately, this is a holdover from the original ending. Had the Extended Cut been the original, this probably would have varied and the Normandy would just be in space with the rest of the fleet, because being able to take off and leave in high EMS endings makes the crash landing pointless.

[von uber]

I never understood why the Normandy alone crashes and it seems no other ship does.

[Kabooooom]

It makes me wonder, where exactly did the Normandy crash? The habitable world in the Alpha Centauri system seems reasonable enough (despite that I hate the idea of that planet even existing in the first place). Reasonable, except that the way the energy wave spreads makes it look like it would easily overtake the Normandy at FTL speeds - as it eventually does - and Alpha Centauri is 4 ly away.

Personally, I like the idea that they made a series of relay jumps, then jumped to FTL, and crashed on an uncharted or unsettled garden world. It just makes the most sense, as far as that nonsensical part of the ending could make sense.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Because it's artistic. 

[themikefest]

Its possible they crashed on a planet that is already settled and the area they crashed on hasn't been explored yet.

[Kabooooom]

Yes, or just wilderness on a populated world. I thought of that too, but since the original ending was going for the "Adam and Eve repopulating the world" vibe (god damn that was stupid), I figured the writers still intended the world to be uninhabited even in the EC.

[von uber]

But again the crash makes no sense else all the other ships would have crashed.
I get it's a hangover from the original ending but the ec just serves to make it even more nonsensical.

[Kabooooom]

An inhabited world would make sense though. Joker likely wasn't making random relay jumps to avoid the Crucible wave, he probably would have had a destination in mind. When it became clear that possibly nowhere in space was safe from it, seeking refuge on a planet would be the only other option, and an inhabited planet would obviously be ideal, and preferably one that isn't in immediate blast range of a relay.

But, as Von über points out, the entire crash scene doesn't make sense.

[KaiserShep]

It makes me wonder, where exactly did the Normandy crash? The habitable world in the Alpha Centauri system seems reasonable enough (despite that I hate the idea of that planet even existing in the first place). Reasonable, except that the way the energy wave spreads makes it look like it would easily overtake the Normandy at FTL speeds - as it eventually does - and Alpha Centauri is 4 ly away.

Personally, I like the idea that they made a series of relay jumps, then jumped to FTL, and crashed on an uncharted or unsettled garden world. It just makes the most sense, as far as that nonsensical part of the ending could make sense.

I don't think it would make much sense to make a series of relay jumps. Just a few relay trips would take the Normandy well out of Alliance space, and that's not really necessary.

[Kabooooom]

I don't think it would make much sense to make a series of relay jumps. Just a few relay trips would take the Normandy well out of Alliance space, and that's not really necessary.

The alternative is trying to run from it in FTL to someplace in the local cluster (/Arcturus stream, which should actually just be the local cluster. Major fail there bioware). And that significantly narrows down the places it could have crashed.

[KaiserShep]

That's fine with me. It sure beats Nowheria in some armpit of the galaxy.

[von uber]

Or it could have just stayed with the rest of the ships. And not crashed at all.
And then gone and rescued shep from the citadel

[Sundance31us]

Or it could have just stayed with the rest of the ships. And not crashed at all.
And then gone and rescued shep from the citadel

 

I’m betting Grunt and Wrex will get to Shepard first...I can see them strapping themselves to a rocket and firing toward the Citadel.

I think Jack would press the launch button.

[AlanC9]

 
The thing that's always bugged me more is that Joker does not rendezvous with the rest of the fleet. He's at the helm of the most advanced ship the Alliance has, and he somehow doesn't manage to meet up with a massive fleet of dreadnoughts? C'mon neckbeard. You had one job.

In fairness, the ship is a bit damaged...

[Bob from Accounting]

That was definitely a big screw up.