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[LenaMarie]

So considering the slew of new  info mostly about the fate of Fereldan, i think this is a good time to talk what seems like will happen

 

Im really thinking The First Warden is going to be the Warden Commander. Either the Origins made one, or the Orlesian from Awakenings. With Potentially Alistair/Loghain and Bethany/Carver depending on choices from DA 1/2 there. 

 

I see Hawke either leading the Templars or Mages depending on which side you picked in DA 2. Again with either Bethany/Carver depending on if they joined the circle or Templars. I think its a safe  bet Shayle (Re-dwarfed) and some of the book characters are with the Mages too. Shale depending on import choices. I'd like if she could still be a Golem if your Warden never bothered helping her rather then forcing book Canon on people.

 

Morrigan Shadow Ruling Orlais. This seems pretty obvious, I mean its Morrigan! I can't really see her legitimately serving anyone even Celene, she blatantly admits in DA:O shes a manipulator. Though I can see her with a Husband  IE Male Romance'd Warden if he left with her in Witch Hunt.

 

Drum Roll... Flemeth as the Main Antagonist in DA:I. I don't know about anyone else, but it seems DA:O, Witch Hunt and DA 2 pretty much pointing to this happening. I think it would be pretty interesting too seeing Flemeth unleashed in her Full Glory. It was pretty obvious she was holding back alot in the older games.

 

Thoughts? Ideas?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

How was Flemeth portrayed as a future Antagonist? she saves the MC in both games & only fights the warden in self defence, i would call her neutral to events myself.

[Warden_of_all]

Unless they allow us to recreate our warden/hawke, I really don't see them in these roles. Although,it would be cool.

[Amy326]

So considering the slew of new  info mostly about the fate of Fereldan, i think this is a good time to talk what seems like will happen

 

Im really thinking The First Warden is going to be the Warden Commander. Either the Origins made one, or the Orlesian from Awakenings. With Potentially Alistair/Loghain and Bethany/Carver depending on choices from DA 1/2 there. 

 

I see Hawke either leading the Templars or Mages depending on which side you picked in DA 2. Again with either Bethany/Carver depending on if they joined the circle or Templars. I think its a safe  bet Shayle (Re-dwarfed) and some of the book characters are with the Mages too. Shale depending on import choices. I'd like if she could still be a Golem if your Warden never bothered helping her rather then forcing book Canon on people.

 

Morrigan Shadow Ruling Orlais. This seems pretty obvious, I mean its Morrigan! I can't really see her legitimately serving anyone even Celene, she blatantly admits in DA:O shes a manipulator. Though I can see her with a Husband  IE Male Romance'd Warden if he left with her in Witch Hunt.

 

Drum Roll... Flemeth as the Main Antagonist in DA:I. I don't know about anyone else, but it seems DA:O, Witch Hunt and DA 2 pretty much pointing to this happening. I think it would be pretty interesting too seeing Flemeth unleashed in her Full Glory. It was pretty obvious she was holding back alot in the older games.

 

Thoughts? Ideas?

 

^Agreed with everything except the Flemeth part. Very well thought out!

 

How was Flemeth portrayed as a future Antagonist? she saves the MC in both games & only fights the warden in self defence, i would call her neutral to events myself.

^Agreed about Flemeth. Neutral more than anything.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I like the idea of Morrigan 'shadow-ruling'. Sounds like something you'd expect her to do.

[Warden_of_all]

Quite so. I can definitely see Morrigan manipulating Celinne, to further her own goals. 

[BabyFratelli]

The last we heard of Hawke and the Warden they were both missing, so I think what happens to them will depend on why they're missing and where they are.

 

As far as them being leaders of certain factions, I don't think Bioware would do that because it'd be undermining quite a lot of people's characters.

[Warden_of_all]

The last we heard of Hawke and the Warden they were both missing, so I think what happens to them will depend on why they're missing and where they are.

 

As far as them being leaders of certain factions, I don't think Bioware would do that because it'd be undermining quite a lot of people's characters.

I really don't see it as undermining our characters. From what the other games have shown regardless of how you play them, they still show themselves to be very capable leaders. of course this is just one opinion. Others may feel different.

[BabyFratelli]

I really don't see it as undermining our characters. From what the other games have shown regardless of how you play them, they still show themselves to be very capable leaders. of course this is just one opinion. Others may feel different.

 

I didn't mean how well they lead, I meant their personalities. Lots of people have characters who didn't care to become a Warden or lead anyone in the first place, and after it was all done went traveling.
 

It'd be strange for me to see Bioware, who is very conscious of our decisions, ignoring that and giving everyone's Wardens and Hawkes the same fate, and that fate being to become leaders of factions. Not saying it's impossible, just that I'd consider it jarring and a bit of a confusing move on their part. 

[KennethAFTopp]

Varric goes nuts if we gave him the leftovers of the Lyrium statue.

[Brodoteau]

How was Flemeth portrayed as a future Antagonist? she saves the MC in both games & only fights the warden in self defence, i would call her neutral to events myself.

 

I'm not saying you are wrong but, we don't know enough about Flemeth to make this judgment.  From what Morrigan discovered (and Yavana seems to confirm some of this), Flemeth really is interested in furthering her agenda and keeping herself alive.  Maybe she saved the Warden because she knew she couldn't stop the Darkspawn or the Darkspawn threatened her.  Maybe she knew a Fereldan under Darkspawn control would ruin her plans. And she fights the Warden because he/she understands that, you know, stealing people's bodies is something that she needs to do (she never confirms or denies that Morrigan is right; she simply asks the Warden to pick a side.  Why?)  

 

 Maybe she saved Hawke because she knew that he/she would (inadvertently) cause a major war between the Templars and Mages and a seemingly lead to a Civil War -- one that seemingly has something to do with opening up a rip in the Veil.  Does Flemeth have an interest in making sure the Chantry is weakened?  We don't know.  

 

Flemeth might be this benevolent force of balance or she might have been manipulated things all along to make sure that she wins.  

 

If you want a Game of Thrones reference thrown in for good measure, she's Varys.  She knows things, she has her means, she seems to want to "help the realm" but what her end game is and why she acts, we don't actually have any idea.   

[Warden_of_all]

I didn't mean how well they lead, I meant their personalities. Lots of people have characters who didn't care to become a Warden or lead anyone in the first place, and after it was all done went traveling.
 

It'd be strange for me to see Bioware, who is very conscious of our decisions, ignoring that and giving everyone's Wardens and Hawkes the same fate, and that fate being to become leaders of factions. Not saying it's impossible, just that I'd consider it jarring and a bit of a confusing move on their part. 

I understand what you are saying, and can see your point, but I can easily see how this could happen. They were missing, maybe the reason is because they were secretly being recruited to lead these factions. I just can't see them turning away from helping them out. After all they ended up being recruited to do what they've done so far.

[BloodyTalon]

It's really hard to say where Flemeth will be the only things we know from witch hunt and da 2 is she is very dangerous and has long term goals. If those goals have anything to do with what is going on in DA: I she will either be an ally or an foe.

Or ask you to get off her lawn/swamp

[LenaMarie]

Thats what I meant about Flemeth. Shes really secretive, and rather Palpatine like Evil so its not surprising people want to see her as anti hero.  But look at the situations she was involved in, Helping the Wardens? True she may not have been able to deal with the Blight on her on, but if you really talk to Morrigan before the Final Battle, she admits to romanced Warden the whole Dark Ritual thing was Flemeths idea from the get go. They knew from Day one a Warden dies slaying the Archdemon and Flemeth plotted to get Morrigan Impregnated with Old God spawn Warden baby. Morrigan went along with it anyway for her own goals. 

 

Flemeth fighting the Warden? She knew it would happen as seen in DA2, hence having Hawke take a piece of her over to Sundermont. Morrigan even doubts you really killed her, its more likely it was a show to throw the Warden and Morrigan off her scent for awhile, so she can work on her plans. Either way, she does obviously have goals, and from her Cryptic comments it seems rather likely they involve destroying the Status Quo IE the World as it is. If she was really some neutral or good force, it seems likely she'd want to stop whatever is coming rather then encouraging Hawke to just go with it.

 

As for previous characters as Faction Heads, I dont really see it as infringing on players choice, I'd imagine it'd be done more like the Rare Grey Warden Alistair appearence in DA 2 if he remained a Warden. (Yes, FYI, Alistair can fully replace Stroud as Bethany/Carver's Senior Warden but its a rare occurrence it seems.).

 

Though pretty much Hawke/Warden picked their sides. Bioware forced players to become Ferelden's Commander of the Grey. There was no option to tell the Wardens to Stuff it in Awakening. Same as in DA 2. Hawke was forced to Choose supporting Templars or Mages and pretty much joined them. Im saying heading factions would just be something built on previously made decisions. 

[Wolfen09]

nope i dont agree with any of it...

 

the warden has disappeared, otherwise im sure cassandra and leliana would have thought to look in the wardens ranks for him, it wouldnt be hard to find him if he stayed with the wardens

 

hawke wont be a faction head, because all of the mage heads and templar heads die in the opening sequence

 

morrigan wont have anything to do with politics, she will just be there to taste the cheeses that taste like despair  (if you cant tell im being sarcastic for this one)

 

Flemeth will save the inquisitor at some point and ask a favor, and thats all, we wont see her the rest of the game and she wont be a main villain

[KC_Prototype]

I like the Warden-Commander being the First Warden but how would they explain that? Didn't the First Warden have his eyes on the Anderfell throne? So what, he was assassinated and the Warden-Commander of Ferelden was promoted to First Warden? Also, I see Shale as a dwarf again also, it just makes sense unless you didn't help her or recruit her or she is dead(in my mage Warden's world state).

[Andraste_Reborn]

The trouble with making all PC Wardens the head of the Wardens is that some of them were left in situations seemingly incompatible with taking that job - I can't imagine my Queen Cousland running off to the Anderfells and leaving unhardened Alistair in charge of Ferelden.Wardens who vanished into the mirror with Morrigan might also be unavailable, although I guess that depends on whether or not they came back ...

 

That said, they already did something similar when they put the PC in charge of Amaranthine, so I wouldn't rule it out.

[Wolfen09]

i think they learned their lesson after awakening, cause even when my warden was made king and allistair killed loghain, allistair still didnt lead the wardens in amaranthine....  bastard making the king do everything

[MrMrPendragon]

-- Warden-Commander will not be First Warden. The First Warden is too power-hungry to let anyone take the title away from him.

-- Hawke will not show up, even though I want him to show up, but most likely will be referenced.

-- Alistair dies if he's king because he's assassinated by Qunari agents, to prepare Ferelden for an invasion.

-- Morrigan manipulates Celene

-- Flemeth will talk in riddles (again ugh) and will really have nothing useful to give you. Maybe save you from darkspawn, again.

-- Anders, if alive, will somehow make an appearance

-- Nathaniel and co will find something sinister in the deep roads (not red lyrium)

[Han Shot First]

I like the Warden-Commander being the First Warden but how would they explain that? Didn't the First Warden have his eyes on the Anderfell throne? So what, he was assassinated and the Warden-Commander of Ferelden was promoted to First Warden? 

 

I'm not necessarily arguing for the Warden Commander becoming the First Warden yet (though I think they should eventually end up there, before their Calling), but they could have it occur by having the First Warden go on his Calling. Presumably the First Warden is always a senior Warden like Duncan or Riordan, so its not beyond the realm of possibility that his political scheming might be cut short by the taint taking an early toll on him. Maybe the First Warden thought he had a few years left him in while it turned out he only had a few months.

[Ibn_Shisha]

The trouble with making all PC Wardens the head of the Wardens is that some of them were left in situations seemingly incompatible with taking that job - I can't imagine my Queen Cousland running off to the Anderfells and leaving unhardened Alistair in charge of Ferelden.Wardens who vanished into the mirror with Morrigan might also be unavailable, although I guess that depends on whether or not they came back ...

 

That said, they already did something similar when they put the PC in charge of Amaranthine, so I wouldn't rule it out.

Like dead Warden's coming back to run Amaranthine?  I guess it would give the Warden and Justice some common ground to chat about.

 

Even if they pull a Leliana/Anders on dead or through-the-looking-glass Wardens, there's still such a range of possibility with Warden playthroughs I don't see how they could have them in an important role like a faction leader.

[Warden_of_all]

Like dead Warden's coming back to run Amaranthine?  I guess it would give the Warden and Justice some common ground to chat about.

 

Even if they pull a Leliana/Anders on dead or through-the-looking-glass Wardens, there's still such a range of possibility with Warden playthroughs I don't see how they could have them in an important role like a faction leader.

Who said it had to be the warden from the main game it could be the Orlesian warden from awakenings.

[LenaMarie]

These are just predictions, definatly dont have to pan out. That being said, it could Certainly be the Orlesian Warden from Awakenings if the PC Warden died.  Still, considering its unlikely Bioware will ever let you play Hawke or Warden again, i have to imagine they have a lot of room to do important things with them.

 

I know some people probaly wont like it, but apparently Bioware themselves confirmed both Hawke and Warden have important roles in DAI. I don't think they elaborated, but it was confirmed both will be back in a big way. 

[Warden_of_all]

These are just predictions, definatly dont have to pan out. That being said, it could Certainly be the Orlesian Warden from Awakenings if the PC Warden died.  Still, considering its unlikely Bioware will ever let you play Hawke or Warden again, i have to imagine they have a lot of room to do important things with them.

 

I know some people probaly wont like it, but apparently Bioware themselves confirmed both Hawke and Warden have important roles in DAI. I don't think they elaborated, but it was confirmed both will be back in a big way. 

This would be interesting, but the only thing i've seen confirmed is that there might be something in the game about them. Be it correspondence or something else. They haven't elaborated on how much they will be a part of the game.

[Eveangaline]

Flemeth has a history of saving my life. I bet she probably will again.