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[andrastepreserveme]

This has probably already been suggested, but...

 

I have a theory about what will happen at the Peace Talks. If I'm right it would be a major spoiler.

 

The Peace Talks are a major event, like a convention for all the important people in Thedas.

 

Being so involved in the conflict, I would be very surprised if Hawke and the Warden weren't there. The Inquisitor is in a massive crowd, so:

 

• You see the Champion's armour, and can see their gender but not his/her face.
• You hear people talking about the Warden, and how excited everyone is to hear them speak later(!)

 

Then some other stuff and then BOOM. Explosion and everyone but the Inquisitor dies.

 

I honestly can't think of a neater way to tie off those stories. Even though my Warden survived I now honestly wish they hadn't as I can see how difficult it makes certain stories moving forward.

 

It's tidy, heartbreaking for the hardcore fans who love their emotions being toyed with and gives a clear slate to the ongoing companions.

 

Classic Bioware?

[Lieutenant Kurin]

SPOILERS! (I have no idea how to do a spoiler tag)

 

Well, according to Cassandra and Leliana, the Warden/Warden-Commander and the Champion are both MIA, so I dunno. But what has pretty much been confirmed is that Chantry leadership is decimated during the explosion, and they isolate themselves to rebuild their leadership structure.

 

SPOILER: I have often read that to mean Divine Justinia V dies in the attack. <written in white

[andrastepreserveme]

I think that's a fair point, but I doubt it's going to be just Chantry leadership there. If it's a Peace Talks about the conflict, there will be senior mage figures there too and Hawke is definitely part of the conflict as he or she was there when it started and picked a side.

 

How involved the Warden is depends on their background to a certain extent, but Peace Talks typically have an arbiter who is a neutral 3rd party figure between the two factions so that could work.

[Mistress9Nine]

It'd be nice, not the best option, but I would be OK with this.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

This video expresses my response.

 

[Dean_the_Young]

I think that's a fair point, but I doubt it's going to be just Chantry leadership there. If it's a Peace Talks about the conflict, there will be senior mage figures there too and Hawke is definitely part of the conflict as he or she was there when it started and picked a side.

 

How involved the Warden is depends on their background to a certain extent, but Peace Talks typically have an arbiter who is a neutral 3rd party figure between the two factions so that could work.

 

The Peace Talks have already been established for being of the Mage-Templar conflict: it would be quite surprising if senior mage and Templar leaders were not there along with the Chantry leadership. Which, not so coincidentally, would give the writers a good excuse and means to get rid of any book-related characters they didn't want to use for the games but whose absence might raise eyebrows.

 

As for the Warden and Hawke, both are already missing by this time.

[Char]

I said this yesterday on another thread but I'd be happy if this happened. Sad to lose characters I put a lot of care into, but happy because at least it's a proper ending. It's better than trying to figure out why my Queen Cousland abandoned her people, her husband and the throne she worked so hard to gain to gallivanting off somewhere secret doing who knows what

[Exaltation]

Well probably the peace talk was gonna be between the leaders of Templars,Chantry,and Circle Of Magi,and someone like Anders that doesn't want peace blows the place,each faction puts the blame on the other,and the Inquisitor gets to enjoy cleaning the mess while a hole in the sky spits demons lol.

[andrastepreserveme]

As for the Warden and Hawke, both are already missing by this time.

 

They've also said that the Warden and Hawke's stories will be resolved.

 

Hawke's been gone a few weeks (months at the most) given the gap between the two games. He/She needn't have gone very far.

 

The Warden's more of a mystery, but whatever he/she have been up to, the Peace talks are probably a big enough deal to come back for.

[Dean_the_Young]

They've also said that the Warden and Hawke's stories will be resolved.

 

Hawke's been gone a few weeks (months at the most) given the gap between the two games. He/She needn't have gone very far.

 

The Warden's more of a mystery, but whatever he/she have been up to, the Peace talks are probably a big enough deal to come back for.

 

The Warden and Hawke's stories being resolved doesn't mean they will, or even can, show up for the peace talks that will be the glorified tutorial section for the game. Especially since the implication of their disappearance is that it isn't a coincidence: ie, that both may have disappeared and not by choice.

[The Ascendant]

Why would the Seekers be interested in the Warden? Is it because of his/her relationship with Morrigan and Flemeth? Or is it because as a Grey Warden he/she is a member of an apolitical organisation and can be considered a neutral party? But the Warden meddled in the politics of Ferelden during the Fifth Blight and ruled the Arling of Amarantine (if he/she survived killing the Archdemon). So why the interest. It makes sorta sense if he/she is a mage, I can't think of any reason to look for him/her. 

[Han Yolo]

I'd find it really lame if they were killed off like that. Also, it makes the epilogue of DA2 kind of pointless.

[Helios969]

You say neat. I'd say weak. I think that would largely be interpreted as a cop out by the devs.

Much cooler would be a setup for DA4 where we could play as any of the previous 3 PCs.

[andrastepreserveme]

You say neat. I'd say weak. I think that would largely be interpreted as a cop out by the devs.

Much cooler would be a setup for DA4 where we could play as any of the previous 3 PCs.

 

 

In the interest of being clear I mean 'neat' in the sense of being tidy. Clearing up loose ends, etc.

[Exaltation]

I think death by simple explosion would be lame for Hawke and the Warden after all they faced.

[andrastepreserveme]

How is it simple? Thousands dead, one random survivor?

 

The Inquisitor seems to be a 'has greatness thrust upon them' kinda person.

 

The Peace Talks are a horrible disaster in the classic sense - a massive act of magical (but not necessarily mage led) terrorism.

[calvinien]

I would rather my warden and hawke just never get mentioned again rather than be unceremoniously killed off in a cutscene I have no control over.

 

I'd rather their ultimate fate be left ambiguous so I can decide what happened to them.

[Helios969]

In the interest of being clear I mean 'neat' in the sense of being tidy. Clearing up loose ends, etc.

Ah, gotcha. Definitely thinking the "cool" version.

Might be tidy for story...less so for these forums.

[andrastepreserveme]

I've changed to tidy in the op for clarity!

 

Doesn't Hawke's disappearance become far less of an issue now that DAI is set only a few weeks after Varric's interrogation? Also, they've said in the past that epilogues can and will be subject to change.

[dutch_gamer]

I've changed to tidy in the op for clarity!
 
Doesn't Hawke's disappearance become far less of an issue now that DAI is set only a few weeks after Varric's interrogation? Also, they've said in the past that epilogues can and will be subject to change.

Epilogues being subject to change shouldn't mean Bioware should alter as much as possible instead of trying to avoid retcons when they can.

I really can't see Bioware kill off our characters again after the backlash with ME 3's ending. Gamers are extremely attached to the characters they play and it is best to work with that knowledge instead of trying to take away control. Of course, some developers may still attempt it in the future but then they should be prepared for the backlash. It is better to have the fate of past player characters be left open and the warden and champion being MIA helps with this. The warden isn't even that neutral in the plight of the mages so in some situatios he/she would make for a louzy and partial arbiter.

[Jawzzus]

Why would the Seekers be interested in the Warden? Is it because of his/her relationship with Morrigan and Flemeth? Or is it because as a Grey Warden he/she is a member of an apolitical organisation and can be considered a neutral party? But the Warden meddled in the politics of Ferelden during the Fifth Blight and ruled the Arling of Amarantine (if he/she survived killing the Archdemon). So why the interest. It makes sorta sense if he/she is a mage, I can't think of any reason to look for him/her. 

 

Because of how strong willed the Warden is, and how much power he has in the hearts of the Ferelden population.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've changed to tidy in the op for clarity!

 

Doesn't Hawke's disappearance become far less of an issue now that DAI is set only a few weeks after Varric's interrogation? Also, they've said in the past that epilogues can and will be subject to change.

Um, Hawke disappears a couple years before the interrogation. Act 3 is 9:37 while the interrogation is 9:40.

[themikefest]

My theory is it has something to do with  a group that poses as the Grey Wardens as seen in the trailer by how pathetic they fight, that want to cause chaos and they achieve it at the peace talks with a massive explosion that opens the veil. This group wants everyone to fight each other, divide and conquer, to the point where this group can rule Thedas without any opposition. This is my theory. I'm not sure where the Warden and Hawke fit into the theory.

[Skaden]

Meh... the whole killing off previous protagonists thing always just seemed like a lazy cop-out to me, usually done more for plot convenience than for any meaningful impact. Also somewhat cheapens the various epilogues for both previous games. Between Revan and The Exile in SWTOR, and Shepard in ME, I feel like Bioware has just overplayed this card.