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#201
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octoberfire wrote...

Because they don't have any homosexuals on the writing team, and don't want to
end up making a cheap/cheesy/misunderstood homosexual relationship?

So you need to be homosexual to be able to write a meaningful homosexual relationship? What?


It's not impossible, but it would certainly help to have someone who can see things from that perspective.

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Gambit One wrote...

Haha I'd love to see the advertising for this.

Have you always wanted to be gay in a video game? Well wait no longer! For just 1200 microsoft points you can be all sorts of ******!


LOL OMFG that was about 5 minutes of laughing. that 1 was good.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Are you a homosexual?  Have you had both heterosexual and homosexual relations, can you tell me any subtle differences between the two?

For somebody to be able to write a believeable relationship, they need to know how those relationships are structured and how they function.  They need to be able to analyze them, and then synthesize one that contains the subtleties that can be believed by those who also have those sorts of relationships (homosexual, heterosexual, whatever).

If there are no homosexuals to design/write the relationship, then it becomes much more difficult to make that relationship believable and avoid eye-roll inducing cheesiness.


Right....by that logic, one would need to have experienced human/quarian relationships to successfully write one of those. 

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T1l wrote...

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T1l wrote...

Skitchin2112, if you just want to ****** I can give you some websites - you don't need to spam-up the ME2 forums. You can't play ME2 one handed anyway... and even if you could, it's only going to be some fluff conversation and a 15 second cut-scene in which you see nothing.

If you want a hawt vacation to the island of Lesbos, Bioware isn't your travel agent.


LOL naw man i got a girl she works well enough. I just usually play with a femshep cause i like the voice acting more. but scince im striaght i find M/F just not as fun. and when i found out there are no F/F romances. i decided i need to change that because i wanted samaraImage IPB


So you like the older women, eh, Skitchin. Older women lesbian action. Giggity. What about Dr Chakwas then?


Eh she aint blue enough.

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I really don't give a fudge.

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jlb524 wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Are you a homosexual?  Have you had both heterosexual and homosexual relations, can you tell me any subtle differences between the two?

For somebody to be able to write a believeable relationship, they need to know how those relationships are structured and how they function.  They need to be able to analyze them, and then synthesize one that contains the subtleties that can be believed by those who also have those sorts of relationships (homosexual, heterosexual, whatever).

If there are no homosexuals to design/write the relationship, then it becomes much more difficult to make that relationship believable and avoid eye-roll inducing cheesiness.


Right....by that logic, one would need to have experienced human/quarian relationships to successfully write one of those. 


Except the aliens of mass effect are purely imaginative, and there is nothing on earth that will be judging whether those relations are "true" to quarian behavior and relationships (other than the ones who write the lore).

Good try though

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UndercoverDoctor wrote...

I really don't give a fudge.


If you order this DLC your going to be packin it. 

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dcrypt wrote...
Just a joke buddy. It is afterall a video games forum, so I like to have fun.


I sincerely apologize for missing the context. I won't use the clichè "you can't tell from text", but yeah. Oops. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pinched.png[/smilie]


No worries [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Just
for the record, I'm all for same sex romances, and I understand how you
some of you guys must feel but its not really game breaking you know?
It sucks, but there's nothing you can do about it except hope it makes
an appearance in me3.

Lets also not forget the most important thing: its just a game.

#209
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No, JLb is right. It's very odd to believe someone need to be homosexual to write a gay romance. Thats basically saying the writers lack the ability to empathize.

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Gambit One wrote...

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

I really don't give a fudge.


If you order this DLC your going to be packin it. 

Will it be like a side job where i can earn extra credits?

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Serously, can't you people start a group? This forum is littered with the same thread done five times... And it's always the same arguement!

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

For somebody to be able to write a believeable relationship, they need to know how those relationships are structured and how they function.  They need to be able to analyze them, and then synthesize one that contains the subtleties that can be believed by those who also have those sorts of relationships (homosexual, heterosexual, whatever).

If there are no homosexuals to design/write the relationship, then it becomes much more difficult to make that relationship believable and avoid eye-roll inducing cheesiness.


To be perfectly honest, I haven't seen one Bioware relationship that ends in a "sex scene" which isn't highly uncomfortable, poorly written and "cheesy". Every time they seem out of place and forced, and the only reason I can think of as to why that is, is because they are. They are out of place and they are forced; but hey, some people like them for whatever reason and if theres people out there who will kick and scream and go blue in the face until they get their gay on - so be it. Go nuts, I say.

Stick it in the game; I don't have to play it, but for the people who want it - it's there.

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Considering it's BioWare we're talking about, I thought this game already had these options.....  :blink:

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Except the aliens of mass effect are purely imaginative, and there is nothing on earth that will be judging whether those relations are "true" to quarian behavior and relationships (other than the ones who write the lore).

Good try though


Then there should be no problem with a femshep/asari relationship.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Because they don't have any homosexuals on the writing team, and don't want to
end up making a cheap/cheesy/misunderstood homosexual relationship?

So you need to be homosexual to be able to write a meaningful homosexual relationship? What?


Are you a homosexual?  Have you had both heterosexual and homosexual relations, can you tell me any subtle differences between the two?

For somebody to be able to write a believeable relationship, they need to know how those relationships are structured and how they function.  They need to be able to analyze them, and then synthesize one that contains the subtleties that can be believed by those who also have those sorts of relationships (homosexual, heterosexual, whatever).

If there are no homosexuals to design/write the relationship, then it becomes much more difficult to make that relationship believable and avoid eye-roll inducing cheesiness.

Homosexual relationships are *surprise* basically the same as heterosexual relationships. There's attraction, there's the wooing. There's the dating, the fights, and the make up. It's not a freaking mystery that requires special knowledge or experience in order to "get right." There have been published short stories that featured *gasp* gay men writing lesbian relationships and lesbians writing gay male relationships. And there have also been plenty of heterosexual authors who can write homosexual relationships and vice versa if you look for them.

And last I checked most of the dialogue options in ME were pretty much gender neutral. No one's asking for Oscar worthy writing here. Even ME's own heterosexual relationships were eye-roll worthy.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

dcrypt wrote...

Rofl if only all of you guys would just be honest about it. No one believes your "ITS UNFAIR TO HOMOSEXUALS RAWAR". From now on just be like "I WANT SOME LESBIAN ACTION DAMNNIT", and im sure you would get more positive responses :D


I've been saying that for years now. Don't know where you've been.


I'm with you there! Being a sexist straight male, if I am going to spend hours staring at a shaking animated butt  as it lunges side to side while dodging enemy fire then I want it to be a nice and shapely bottom on a curvy body with a pair of female mammaries attached. And because of my shallow sexism I want my fem-shep to beable to have classy relations with another female, or female appearing, character. Is that really so wrong?

Gimmeh some lesbian action! :ph34r:


And to all the "gay" haters out there... never really had a problem staring at a guy's butt for 40 hours? Really..? Not even a little? :bandit:

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JBurke wrote...

Considering it's BioWare we're talking about, I thought this game already had these options.....  :blink:


Seems that's the issue here. Just because BW did it in a few games people expect/demand it to be in more/all of them.

Modifié par Valheras, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .


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lol.. this thread is awsome



*goesbacktowatchingpron*

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Oh, well I was under the impression that people cared for quality writing.



I guess "just give me whatever tripe you can think of, just wing it" is good enough for you all.



My mistake, truly.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
Except the aliens of mass effect are purely imaginative, and there is nothing on earth that will be judging whether those relations are "true" to quarian behavior and relationships (other than the ones who write the lore).

Good try though


Then there should be no problem with a femshep/asari relationship.


I agree.

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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Except the aliens of mass effect are purely imaginative, and there is nothing on earth that will be judging whether those relations are "true" to quarian behavior and relationships (other than the ones who write the lore).

Good try though


So, you want to say BW writers lack the 'imagination' to write a same sex romance?

Oh dear...

Interesting, considering that they have done it in the past.  They've written some dang good ones.

And, what about homosexual writers that write good hetero romances?  Or, is that impossible as well.

Modifié par jlb524, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:22 .


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Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Are you a homosexual?  Have you had both heterosexual and homosexual relations, can you tell me any subtle differences between the two?

For somebody to be able to write a believeable relationship, they need to know how those relationships are structured and how they function.  They need to be able to analyze them, and then synthesize one that contains the subtleties that can be believed by those who also have those sorts of relationships (homosexual, heterosexual, whatever).

If there are no homosexuals to design/write the relationship, then it becomes much more difficult to make that relationship believable and avoid eye-roll inducing cheesiness.

First off, I'm sure there's more than one queer individual willing to help out the writers, if not write it alone, for free no less, assuming that there actually are no queer individuals at BioWare (which I doubt). Second, our (physiological) powers of observation aren't so lacking that it would be impossible for someone who isn't queer to write in a compelling queer relationship. We have these phenomona like imagination, empathy, and mimicry. Maybe you're familiar with them. Third, it's BioWare. They can do it...They HAVE done it, which is why I'm baffled anyone made the point you did.

:bandit:

Modifié par LucidStrike, 23 janvier 2010 - 07:23 .


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This disgusts me. Bioware is trying to be mainstream, because that's where the money is. Deal with it. You may be gay, but most people aren't.

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jlb524 wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Except the aliens of mass effect are purely imaginative, and there is nothing on earth that will be judging whether those relations are "true" to quarian behavior and relationships (other than the ones who write the lore).

Good try though


So, you want to say BW writers lack the 'imagination' to write a same sex romance?

Oh dear...

Interesting, considering that they have done it in the past.  They've written some dang good ones.

And, what about homosexual writers that write good hetero romances?  Or, is that impossible as well.


Well i can see a F/F romance alot easier than a M/M romance.since you couldv already done it with liara what so bad about doing it with samara. WAAAAAAA i want my blue chicksImage IPB

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*sigh* before the game comes out there's 30 topics about it. It's fianlly confirmed not to be in, and there's 30 topics about DLC. It's not in...get over it. Stop making seven topics about it, destroying any decceny the forum had left.