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[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Is it possible that Alistair and Morrigan are unknowing siblings? Alistair's character has many parallels to the King Arthur character, justas Morrigan and Morgan le Fay have parallels also- the fact the Morgan le Fay/ Morgause seduce Arthur, resulting in an heir that is a Witch of the Wilds, essentially, as well as part royal. Seems familiar.

Add in the opportunity for Maric to have impregnated Flemeth while in the Wilds in the first Dragon Age Novel, and it's certainly a possibile, considering Maric spent some in-cabin alone time with her. As Alistair's and Morgan's paths closely follow those of the Arthurian legend, it's not too far of a stretch to assume this is a possibility.

[kalasaurus]

Oh dear, I'd hope not after they did the Dark Ritual together 

[Althix]

incest in my Dragon Age? sweet.

[ladyoflate]

I really doubt Maric knocked up Flemeth. Like, that was his wide-eyed idealism phase, it's not character arc consistent.

 

That said, it also strikes me as unlikely because we can have Wardens other than Alistair do the DR, and for a real King Arthur parallel it'd have to always be him so the OGB would always be Mordred. No incest, no Mordred, and that's too big a type of storyline to leave up to player choice.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I really doubt Maric knocked up Flemeth. Like, that was his wide-eyed idealism phase, it's not character arc consistent.

 

That said, it also strikes me as unlikely because we can have Wardens other than Alistair do the DR, and for a real King Arthur parallel it'd have to always be him so the OGB would always be Mordred. No incest, no Mordred, and that's too big a type of storyline to leave up to player choice.

Well, to be fair, Bioware has it's own official "playthrough" storyline for the games, that it bases some in game lore and the attendant novelizations/ comics off of. For instance, zombie Anders and Zombie Leliana, or the fact that Alistair is king in the comics; if the storyline demands it. . . what if Morrigan used magic to coerce Alistair, regardless of whether or not you decided to do the ritual at all? The only option I see out of THAT scenario is if you performed it yourself.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

incest in my Dragon Age? sweet.

Not arguing that it'd be GOOD, necessarily, just that it'd make sense, especially with the parallels to real world myths.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Oh dear, I'd hope not after they did the Dark Ritual together 

Yeah, that'd be. . . unfortunate.

[Eveangaline]

Well, to be fair, Bioware has it's own official "playthrough" storyline for the games, that it bases some in game lore and the attendant novelizations/ comics off of. For instance, zombie Anders and Zombie Leliana, or the fact that Alistair is king in the comics; if the storyline demands it. . . what if Morrigan used magic to coerce Alistair, regardless of whether or not you decided to do the ritual at all? The only option I see out of THAT scenario is if you performed it yourself.

 

Isn't the official playthrough storyline that a dalish elf warden died killing the archdemon so no old god baby exists?

 

Not to mention of they make Morrigan a rapist I'd really regret ever making friends with her on any Wardens.

 

Plus the whole "If there's an OGB then the warden wouldn't die when stabbing the archdemon" thing. The warden clearly died in many playthroughs.

[ladyoflate]

Well, to be fair, Bioware has it's own official "playthrough" storyline for the games, that it bases some in game lore and the attendant novelizations/ comics off of. For instance, zombie Anders and Zombie Leliana, or the fact that Alistair is king in the comics; if the storyline demands it. . . what if Morrigan used magic to coerce Alistair, regardless of whether or not you decided to do the ritual at all? The only option I see out of THAT scenario is if you performed it yourself.

 

That would be pretty inconsistent with Morrigan's character, I think. She only cares about the OGB, not getting into Alistair's pants. Also, after everyone being extremely concerned about the canonicity of the comics, it's been stated repeatedly that the DR choice will be respected no matter what. And the default canon for DA:I is the Ultimate Sacrifice from DA2, so the DR isn't even performed in the one preset DA:O canon for the new game.

 

An interesting thought, but I think overall very unlikely.

[Divine Justinia V]

The chances of this are pretty obsolete.

[LunarMists]

The chances of this are pretty obsolete.

Yea....I really don't see bioware allowing Alistair to do the DR or even putting the DR in there if Alistair and Morrigan were half-brother and sister.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

The chances of this are pretty obsolete.

 

That would be pretty inconsistent with Morrigan's character, I think. She only cares about the OGB, not getting into Alistair's pants. Also, after everyone being extremely concerned about the canonicity of the comics, it's been stated repeatedly that the DR choice will be respected no matter what. And the default canon for DA:I is the Ultimate Sacrifice from DA2, so the DR isn't even performed in the one preset DA:O canon for the new game.

 

An interesting thought, but I think overall very unlikely.

I don't know- I think it'll play a role if you chose the Alistair/ Morrigan option. While the comic continuity isn't the end all be all, the games HAVE shown that sometimes, the choices of the player will be negated for the sake of a coherent story. Anders death not mattering in Awakening, and the option to kill Leliana not mattering. . .  these are real cases of Bioware altering the lore or DMing the circumstances to make sense; THEORETICALLY, Anders could have ended up with a spirit of Justice regardless, and MAYBE Leliana just happened to bleed out into some untainted Andraste ashes, but those both seem too unlikely.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Yea....I really don't see bioware allowing Alistair to do the DR or even putting the DR in there if Alistair and Morrigan were half-brother and sister.

Well, the concept is in King Arthur's mythos, and we feed that to children pretty willingly; it's not too much of a stretch.

[ladyoflate]

I don't know- I think it'll play a role if you chose the Alistair/ Morrigan option. While the comic continuity isn't the end all be all, the games HAVE shown that sometimes, the choices of the player will be negated for the sake of a coherent story. Anders death not mattering in Awakening, and the option to kill Leliana not mattering. . .  these are real cases of Bioware altering the lore or DMing the circumstances to make sense; THEORETICALLY, Anders could have ended up with a spirit of Justice regardless, and MAYBE Leliana just happened to bleed out into some untainted Andraste ashes, but those both seem too unlikely.

 

Which is why I mentioned that the DR has been mentioned specifically. Maybe someone can help me find the quotes? I'm good at remembering things but bad at finding the appropriate links.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Alistair & Morrigan siblings? That's a good one. Funny. Tell me your joking. Right?

Have you read Dragon Age: The Stolen Throne?

[Divine Justinia V]

I mean, have what ever theory you want but I don't see incest becoming a thing any time soon.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I mean, have what ever theory you want but I don't see incest becoming a thing any time soon.

Murder, rape, genocide, racism, religious wars. . . but incest is where we draw the line? Now, not a fan of incest- but being a fan of literature, it's impossible for me not to see the similarities.

[Divine Justinia V]

Murder, rape, genocide, racism, religious wars. . . but incest is where we draw the line? Now, not a fan of incest- but being a fan of literature, it's impossible for me not to see the similarities.

 

I'm not drawing any line I'm telling you my opinion. I just. Don't. See it.

[AresKeith]

Murder, rape, genocide, racism, religious wars. . . but incest is where we draw the line? Now, not a fan of incest- but being a fan of literature, it's impossible for me not to see the similarities.

 

It's where Bioware apparently draws the line 

[Eveangaline]

Which is why I mentioned that the DR has been mentioned specifically. Maybe someone can help me find the quotes? I'm good at remembering things but bad at finding the appropriate links.

 

Here? http://forum.bioware...3#entry15112107

 

And here http://forum.bioware.../#entry15371761

[dgcatanisiri]

Low likelihood - I think Morrigan is supposed to be about the same age as Alistair and the Warden (around twenty-ish), and the only known encounter that Maric and Flemeth had was at least ten years prior to when Alistair is born. You can draw Arthurian parallels if you want, but I don't think that incest is a line that the writers are quite willing to cross - I don't see the Dragon Age writers going and crossing the incestual lines, and it's a not-uncommon version of events that Alistair is the one doing the Dark Ritual with Morrigan. 

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Here? http://forum.bioware...3#entry15112107

 

And here http://forum.bioware.../#entry15371761

Thanks! No Old God Baby without Male Warden or Alistair being willing. Doesn't change my idea about Morrigan, but corrects an incorrect presumption on my part.

[Joe25]

Alistair and Morrigan setting in a tree. F.I.G.H.T.I.N.G. There's not love. There's not marriage. But, there's a baby in a baby carriage.