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[Todd23]

Incest?

 

Did i accidentally stumble into the Game of Thrones forums?

Let's hope so.  Because da needs to seriously take some notes from got, especially as far as character development goes.

 

That was NOT the boon Flemeth requested of Maric.

 

Spoiler

As revealed in The Silent Grove, Maric had to agree to travel to Antiva to help Yavana free the high dragons from The Silent Grove.

I thought that it was merely implied and that we don't actually know for sure.  Though it's been awhile since I've read those.

 

 

You're probably just kidding, but I'm so tired of this urban legend... Incest doesn't produce "wrong" children in any way. 

No... except that it does.  It's true that it's been blown way out of proportion, with people thinking that even distant relatives will produce mutants.  But it'll actually take serious relations such as twins, or multiple generations to start noticing even the simplest of deformities such as some fingers not growing as much as the rest.  And infertility would probably surface long before extremes would manage to produce anything like those things they show in the movies.

[Xetykins]

Considering alistair got obsession for magical items like runestones and statuetes and his age, and Maric was too screwed up about rowan's death in the calling to dally with some maids, I think he's fiona's. And I hope we get to meet her in dai so I can recount her son's life starting with sleeping in the kennels as a very young boy. Before toasting her arse.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

 

Rather than having the Goldanna quest line be retcon'd, I think they should keep that canon and just have Maric as an indiscreet man that sired multiple bastards with multiple women.

A person can be raised as a son by a serving wench without being the biological son- a promise to be taken care of, or forgiveness of a debt or crime would be enough to sway a peasant.

[Eveangaline]

A person can be raised as a son by a serving wench without being the biological son- a promise to be taken care of, or forgiveness of a debt or crime would be enough to sway a peasant.

Alistair wasn't raised by the serving woman remember? They say she died giving birth to him. Unless I'm misremembering...

[Han Shot First]

If Alistair is Fiona's son, then who did did the serving girl give birth to? The woman was pregnant for 9 months and died in childbirth. What happened to that child?

 

IMO it just makes a lot more sense for Alistair *not* to be Fiona's child. It doesn't involved some bizarre and convoluted baby-switching plot, and doesn't render Alistair's family quest in DA:O pointless.

 

Alistair wasn't raised by the serving woman remember? They say she died giving birth to him. Unless I'm misremembering...

 

You remember it correctly. The serving girl supposedly died giving birth to Alistair.

 

 

 

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[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

If Alistair is Fiona's son, then who did did the serving girl give birth to? The woman was pregnant for 9 months and died in childbirth. What happened to that child?

 

IMO it just makes a lot more sense for Alistair *not* to be Fiona's child. It doesn't involved some bizarre and convoluted baby-switching plot, and doesn't render Alistair's family quest in DA:O pointless.

 

 

You remember it correctly. The serving girl supposedly died giving birth to Alistair.

 

 

 

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Oh. Then it's even simpler at that point- pregnant mother and baby die. Baby swap. I honestly think Fiona is the momma; there's too much evidence to support this; Alistair being slightly younger than his brother, being tied to the chantry, the mages, and the Grey Wardens. . .

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Alistair wasn't raised by the serving woman remember? They say she died giving birth to him. Unless I'm misremembering...

Thanks! I thought she died a year or two after that.

[Todd23]

I don't understand why most people on these forums don't believe that Fiona is Alistair's mother. In-game his mother's amulet was even elven. Even before I read the books I thought it was kinda fishy that the servant girl was supposed to be his mother and at the end of the book she said she wanted to keep his elven lineage a secret from him and so people who use the fact that he was told a human was his mother as proof are being more than a little stupid, and if she's not his mother that means that Maric either has two sons with the name Alistair, or that the serving girl happened to get pregnant with Maric's son even though Maric suggested that he hadn't had sex since Rowan's death, than Fiona kidnapped the child, posed it as her own, gave it to Maric and told him to hide his lineage from him (which is beyond insanity) and then at some point Maric found out the truth and told Alistair about his real mother.

[Chari]

Unfortunatelly unlikely. Morrigan is too young

Now, Yavanna on the other hand... 

[thetinyevil]

I don't think it would be incest  because I don't think they are related. Morrigan said that Flemeth is not her biological mother. She most likely took her from a Chasian tribe. 

 

Though I have to say one thing, those two would make a very pretty baby.

[Eveangaline]

I don't understand why most people on these forums don't believe that Fiona is Alistair's mother. In-game his mother's amulet was even elven. Even before I read the books I thought it was kinda fishy that the servant girl was supposed to be his mother and at the end of the book she said she wanted to keep his elven lineage a secret from him and so people who use the fact that he was told a human was his mother as proof are being more than a little stupid, and if she's not his mother that means that Maric either has two sons with the name Alistair, or that the serving girl happened to get pregnant with Maric's son even though Maric suggested that he hadn't had sex since Rowan's death, than Fiona kidnapped the child, posed it as her own, gave it to Maric and told him to hide his lineage from him (which is beyond insanity) and then at some point Maric found out the truth and told Alistair about his real mother.

 

I thought the main problem was how old that would make him compared to his brother the king, he's supposed to be younger but if he was Fionas he'd be older.

[Todd23]

I thought the main problem was how old that would make him compared to his brother the king, he's supposed to be younger but if he was Fionas he'd be older.

... He'd be older than his brother, who's biological mother died before Maric even met Fiona?

Edit: Please people, read the books for yourselves.

[Xetykins]

I thought the main problem was how old that would make him compared to his brother the king, he's supposed to be younger but if he was Fionas he'd be older.

I think you swapped rowan for fiona :-) fiona was the mage maric fell in love with 2 yrs ( I think) after rowan died. Rowan was cailan's mum.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I thought the main problem was how old that would make him compared to his brother the king, he's supposed to be younger but if he was Fionas he'd be older.

I think you're mistaking Fiona for Katriel, who didn't have enough time to become pregnant, or at least not have enough time to carry to term, the way it was portrayed in the books.

[leaguer of one]

Yea....I really don't see bioware allowing Alistair to do the DR or even putting the DR in there if Alistair and Morrigan were half-brother and sister.

How? There is nothing indicating it one way or another.

[leaguer of one]

Unfortunatelly unlikely. Morrigan is too young

Now, Yavanna on the other hand... 

We don't have an official age for her so we can't say.

[Chari]

We don't have an official age for her so we can't say.

Maric met Felemeth when he was, like, 18? Do you think Morrigan is 40+?

[leaguer of one]

Maric met Felemeth when he was, like, 18? Do you think Morrigan is 40+?

He was 22 more or less. He met Flemith in the first year of the dragon age( 9.00). That would mean Morrigan would of been 30 in dao and 40 in DA:I. 

[Todd23]

He was 22 more or less. He met Flemith in the first year of the dragon age( 9.00). That would mean Morrigan would of been 30 in dao and 40 in DA:I.

Whoever said the promise included impregnating Flemeth? Or doing it right there? I don't think she's Morrigan's biological mother anyways (considering Flemeth suggests as much in da2).

[erilben]

We don't have an official age for her so we can't say.

 

On the old Bioware forums, not the one that they just recently moved here, but the forums before that, Gaider said Morrigan (in DAO) is in her late 20s to early 30s.

[leaguer of one]

Whoever said the promise included impregnating Flemeth? Or doing it right there? I don't think she's Morrigan's biological mother anyways (considering Flemeth suggests as much in da2).

Nothing Flemeth says indicates she may not be Morrigians mother. Added, the issue is that with the hut is based on the fact of narrowing down when Morrigan was born , the fact she is doing something she does not want  Logan to see and the fact she knows about Marc's family past.

 

A conversation is not something need to do over night in a hut.

[leaguer of one]

On the old Bioware forums, not the one that they just recently moved here, but the forums before that, Gaider said Morrigan (in DAO) is in her late 20s to early 30s.

You do know that Marc met Flemeth at the start of the dragon age(9.00). DA:O is 30 years in to the dragon age.

[Melima]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

 

*Spoiler* -

Dragon Age: The Calling

Fiona traveled to Denerim with Duncan to meet with King Maric. Fiona explained that she was called to Weisshaupt to lead a search for the Architect, while Duncan was stationed to Ferelden as second-in-command. But the true reason for Fiona's journey had been to reveal to Maric that she had his child, and to exact a promise from Maric that their son would be told his mother was a human and had died, while Duncan promised to watch over him.

Fiona said she "might be the first Warden who does not have to go on the Calling."

 

 

Alistair's mother (Fiona) was and is a mage -- the Grand Enchanter now, in fact. She's an elf. She's from the Orlesian Grey Wardens! Lots of strikes against her son Alistair being King for the prejudiced in Ferelden. What's she doing? She's leading a mage army in the war.

Will we get to see these facts get revealed to Alistair? I hope so! What will happen? I'd like to find out.

[Former_Fiend]

Alistair as Fiona's son is the stupidest plot point the series has, bar none. When you have to force and break the time line that many times just to make sure a character came out of the vagina of a woman he'll likely never meet, with a relationship that has absolutely no relevance to the plot whatsoever, you're doing something wrong. 

[leaguer of one]

Alistair as Fiona's son is the stupidest plot point the series has, bar none. When you have to force and break the time line that many times just to make sure a character came out of the vagina of a woman he'll likely never meet, with a relationship that has absolutely no relevance to the plot whatsoever, you're doing something wrong. 

The plot is far from over so you can't say it has no relevance nor they won't meet.(Though it may be possible they won't meet with the fact Alistar can be dead.) Also, that story line was part of Marc's closing arc in the over all story from stone throne. I can't say it's forced.