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The continued existence of Bioware Points will hurt DA:I sales at launch.


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#26
Kantr

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Adding bioware points to Origin would be horrible. I would be very happy at them just getting rid of it and re-imbursing those with points left. The amounts they sell dont entirely fit with the number needed as well.

 

Bioware points are horrible. Ea could clearly make just as much or even more by putting DLC's on sale. After all in steam sales thats usually when developers make a lot of money. I don't think I could ever buy DLC for DA:I if they arent removed.



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Adding bioware points to Origin would be horrible.


Would be? Haven't they already done this? ME3 and DA2 DLCs are bought that way through Origin.



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I mean that there are old parts of Bioware's website, and new parts.  Everything that starts with social.bioware.com (apart from the splash page itself) is in the OLD part.  There're the old photo albums, the old polls, the old blogs, all now closed, read-only.  There's the place where groups used to be, before they got nuked.  The old forum links redirect here, to the new forums.  And... there's all the DLC.


But I can buy DLC for an Origin game without visiting the old site. Can't you? I'm glad they've kept the old site up for those of us who don't want to register our older games with Origin, but since DAI is going to be an Origin game this is completely irrelevant.



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I can also play w/out the discs. Which was the whole idea when I set out on this adventure. Now, however, it wants me to authenticate it every time, if I don't launch through Origin, and just use the provided desktop shortcut. Feels like I'm logging in to an MMO.

 

That's weird. ME3 and DA2 don't behave like that for me. OTOH, I bought those through Origin in the first place.

 

Anyway, I guess I'll stick to the discs.



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J.C. Helios

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But I can buy DLC for an Origin game without visiting the old site. Can't you? I'm glad they've kept the old site up for those of us who don't want to register our older games with Origin, but since DAI is going to be an Origin game this is completely irrelevant.

 

Oh.  I actually didn't know about this, but you're completely right.  Huh. 

 

Now I don't know what to think.  What would make them believe that price discrimination is an effective moneymaking tool for games, but not for DLC? 

 

I've written a lot here, but now I'm just gobsmacked.  Dumbfounded.  So bizarre...



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Erm, are you folks aware that the Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition (which contains 100% of the Origins DLC AND the expansion) is available via a number of platforms and involves no Bioware points whatsoever?  Why are you assuming that DA2 won't get an Ultimate Edition of its own once Inquisition hits the shelves?  According to Mark Darrah that was shelved due to a lack of retailer interest, but it could pick up again in the future, particularly once there's a 3rd installment in the series.

The entire premise of this thread is laughably ignorant.  You don't HAVE to buy Bioware points to get the DLC.  And the whole package IS on sale.  Heck, I lost my copy of Awakening and decided to buy the Ultimate Edition because it was CHEAPER than buying Awakening all by its lonesome.  And since it's available on Steam that means, you know, SALES.


DAO is the last 'Ultimate Edition' they've done. Period. The digital copy of ME1 contains the only paid DLC for that title, but that's it.

ME2 has no Ultimate Edition. DA2 has no Ultimate Edition. ME3's DLCs tally more than the game itself.

In theory, BioWare points are okay-ish. You can buy the coins and spend them on DLC and whatever you have left over can go to other DLC.

However, in practice, they're ****** awful. Most of the DLC doesn't come out to a nice, even balance, meaning if you buy 1000 BioWare coins, get an 800 DLC, then buy maybe a 160 weapon DLC, you have 40 bioware coins of wasted money.

Not to mention that the DLCs never, EVER go on sale. ME2 has a story DLC value of something like $27. ME2 is currently on sale for 6 bucks. The DLC for a game that is on sale is almost five times the cost of the original game.

It's stupid and it's one of the many reasons EA is hated.

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Would be? Haven't they already done this? ME3 and DA2 DLCs are bought that way through Origin.

oh yes. Good point. I forgot about that. -_-

 

Keeping Bioware points would be horrible.



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Erm, are you folks aware that the Dragon Age: Origins Ultimate Edition (which contains 100% of the Origins DLC AND the expansion) is available via a number of platforms and involves no Bioware points whatsoever?  Why are you assuming that DA2 won't get an Ultimate Edition of its own once Inquisition hits the shelves?  According to Mark Darrah that was shelved due to a lack of retailer interest, but it could pick up again in the future, particularly once there's a 3rd installment in the series.

The entire premise of this thread is laughably ignorant.  You don't HAVE to buy Bioware points to get the DLC.  And the whole package IS on sale.  Heck, I lost my copy of Awakening and decided to buy the Ultimate Edition because it was CHEAPER than buying Awakening all by its lonesome.  And since it's available on Steam that means, you know, SALES.

Except that there is no such thing for Dragon Age II. Or any of the Mass Effects. You can't even buy the DLC for anything other than Origins on Steam since they stopped letting Steam sell their new things.

 

So yeah... good deal for ONE Bioware game. Now about the rest...



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I admit I skipped the second half of this thread, I just want to say:  

 

The OP seems to believe that price reductions after a certain amount of time are DESERVED.  That they are a given, and that the law of the land is that if you wait long enough, you DESERVE a price discount.

 

No one is entitled to a price discount just because they waited longer than other people.  If your brain won't let you play a sequel because you haven't played the DLC, that is YOUR problem.  It is not an economical or ethical problem.  

 

Monetary point systems are slightly unethical, in that they are a confusing (and unnecessary) abstraction of real money, and they don't account for inflation, and they don't allow for refunds.  But that's it.



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I admit I skipped the second half of this thread, I just want to say:  
 
The OP seems to believe that price reductions after a certain amount of time are DESERVED.  That they are a given, and that the law of the land is that if you wait long enough, you DESERVE a price discount.
 
No one is entitled to a price discount just because they waited longer than other people.  If your brain won't let you play a sequel because you haven't played the DLC, that is YOUR problem.  It is not an economical or ethical problem.  
 
Monetary point systems are slightly unethical, in that they are a confusing (and unnecessary) abstraction of real money, and they don't account for inflation, and they don't allow for refunds.  But that's it.


The problem, of course, arises when the DLC never goes on sale, but the main games do. Games for five bucks, but DLC for 30?

Let's also not forget that some of the DLC is sold with its assets on disk, other DLC is launched the same. The worst of all, is of course, the DLC that EA pumps out that 'bridges' the games. Go from ME2 to ME3 without playing Arrival, and you don't know wtf is going on.

Of course, BioWare points seem to be preventing said DLC going on sale anyway, which is more than enough reason why it should just be flat out discontinued.