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I don't care about him one way or the other. I do wonder why he gets to be an advisor when there are far more experienced and worthy candidates around. But I also wonder what makes the PC special in that regard too.
I have some Ideas,that also concern the whole "advisers/pillars" concept...But a hate thread is not exactly the best place to discuss such theories.
He knew that the reason for the ROA was bullshit. But he went along with it an basically whispered, "no...stop. Oh you didn't stop now the mage is dead. Oh well."
He was a Templar, under the orders of a superior officer. It was his job to follow orders, he couldn't just undermine them and do what he wanted.
But he was also second in command which meant, when he felt that the orders given by his superior officer was not sound and reasonable and within the terms of what his order was for, then he could step in and object. Which he does, when he is finally convinced of such. Until then he was under obligation to follow orders. (Why so many people have difficulty understanding this, I don't know). Do you make a habit of calling out your boss, every decision they make?
yes he could have seen what she was up to earlier but with what Cullen has gone through and all he has seen, plus Kirkwall was rampant with corrupt mages, can you wonder at him not noticing sooner?
And in no way did I ever see his attraction to a female mage creepy, he was a young inexperienced fresh recruit who happened to find a mage attractive. Something he was aware should never happen. He doesn't even talk to you unless you talk to him first.
Cullen is a good man, he believes in what he does, he is not a extremist templar, he actually believes in protecting mages as much as everyone else from mages. Even when he was tortured and forced to see the worst mages can be, he still could be reasoned with and convinced, it just took a little longer.
He was a Templar, under the orders of a superior officer. It was his job to follow orders, he couldn't just undermine them and do what he wanted.
But he was also second in command which meant, when he felt that the orders given by his superior officer was not sound and reasonable and within the terms of what his order was for, then he could step in and object. Which he does, when he is finally convinced of such. Until then he was under obligation to follow orders. (Why so many people have difficulty understanding this, I don't know). Do you make a habit of calling out your boss, every decision they make?
yes he could have seen what she was up to earlier but with what Cullen has gone through and all he has seen, plus Kirkwall was rampant with corrupt mages, can you wonder at him not noticing sooner?
And in no way did I ever see his attraction to a female mage creepy, he was a young inexperienced fresh recruit who happened to find a mage attractive. Something he was aware should never happen. He doesn't even talk to you unless you talk to him first.
Cullen is a good man, he believes in what he does, he is not a extremist templar, he actually believes in protecting mages as much as everyone else from mages. Even when he was tortured and forced to see the worst mages can be, he still could be reasoned with and convinced, it just took a little longer.
If he is a good man that he is completely incompetent. Yeah there were a lot of blood mages but there just as many corrupt templars. I mean really how hard is it to do a little digging into why Enchanters, Harrowed Mages, were being made tranquil. Not to mention the other abuses that where happening right under his nose.
He was creepy, I mean the way he said he was going to kill you if you failed. Like it was a great honor to end another life. Then tries to back peddle.
He didn't protect the mages under his care. He left them to the wolves. Then he slaughtered them for a crime they didn't commit. And only after pretty much the whole circle is dead and he was covered in the blood of innocent mages did he stand up and says stop. He could have stepped up and removed Meredith from power before the entire circle had been killed but he didn't. He is not a good man.
I thought the reason for Orsino's freakout in pro-mage ending was that the Templars were winning, despite Hawke's support?
My only pro-mage run was with the sociopath crazy blood mage Hawke (All those crazy mages in Kirkwall? He was even crazier). Every time there was an option to insult Templars and praise Mages before Cullen's eyes he used it. He was as antichantry as it can be. He was dangerous. And still Cullen let him go.
Cullen and Orsino's behavior in pro-mage ending doesn't make sense. Meredith's behavior in pro-templar ending doesn't make sense (well, the idol did it). Ugh.
Agreed. It's like everyone loses their mind in the end of DA2 XD It ruined Orsino's character to me, I have hard time even trying to understand what kinda character he was. He just went crazy in pro-mage ending. Meredith at least had red lyrium idol. I guess Cullen just was so confused in the end of all he wanted it to stop and let Hawke to go XD Maybe he was too shocked to think anything reasonable after Meredith summoned Tevinter statues to attack all o them and started jumping around.
Kirkwall had that effect on me too. I just wanted a "screw you all I'm outa here option".
Maybe somehow all of Cullen's homicidal insanity was transferred to Orsino at the end?Agreed. It's like everyone loses their mind in the end of DA2 XD It ruined Orsino's character to me, I have hard time even trying to understand what kinda character he was. He just went crazy in pro-mage ending. Meredith at least had red lyrium idol. I guess Cullen just was so confused in the end of all he wanted it to stop and let Hawke to go XD Maybe he was too shocked to think anything reasonable after Meredith summoned Tevinter statues to attack all o them and started jumping around.
If he is a good man that he is completely incompetent. Yeah there were a lot of blood mages but there just as many corrupt templars. I mean really how hard is it to do a little digging into why Enchanters, Harrowed Mages, were being made tranquil. Not to mention the other abuses that where happening right under his nose.
He was creepy, I mean the way he said he was going to kill you if you failed. Like it was a great honor to end another life. Then tries to back peddle.
He didn't protect the mages under his care. He left them to the wolves. Then he slaughtered them for a crime they didn't commit. And only after pretty much the whole circle is dead and he was covered in the blood of innocent mages did he stand up and says stop. He could have stepped up and removed Meredith from power before the entire circle had been killed but he didn't. He is not a good man.
When Hawke told him Alain was innocent, he promised to get Meredith to go easy on him. I rarely had Bethany so I cant really remember but I am pretty sure he wasnt the big bad Templar when he came to get her. When confronted by the 3 mages when siding with the Templars he defends them against Meredith's orders. A few there in point.
'I was the templar 'picked' to strike the killing blow'. Again, given orders. He then says he would have hated it but he serves the chantry and the maker and will do as he is commanded. Orders again.
You are still glossing over the fact he was under orders. Templars annul circles, when they have too, it's something he would have been prepared for, and regardless of whether the circle had anything to do with blowing up the chantry, he still had reason to believe there were plenty of bad mages, maybe even enough to justify annulment as far as he knew.
it wasn't until Meredith called for Hawke to be killed, when Hawke wasn't even part of the circle did he then realise it had nothing to do with the corruption in the circle and the safety of kirkwall, but more that it was Meredith just gone off the deep end.
I know I'm not only one who dislikes Cullen? But it feels like it since I have seen some many threads where people seem to think he is the best thing since sliced bread but I haven't found one where people dislike him.
This is probably going to get shut down before it even starts.
You're joking, right? 90% of the Cullen threads that pop up are hate threads or quickly turn into hate threads. There's only one active Cullen fan thread and that's the official one where we all hide.
When Hawke told him Alain was innocent, he promised to get Meredith to go easy on him. I rarely had Bethany so I cant really remember but I am pretty sure he wasnt the big bad Templar when he came to get her. When confronted by the 3 mages when siding with the Templars he defends them against Meredith's orders. A few there in point.
'I was the templar 'picked' to strike the killing blow'. Again, given orders. He then says he would have hated it but he serves the chantry and the maker and will do as he is commanded. Orders again.
You are still glossing over the fact he was under orders. Templars annul circles, when they have too, it's something he would have been prepared for, and regardless of whether the circle had anything to do with blowing up the chantry, he still had reason to believe there were plenty of bad mages, maybe even enough to justify annulment as far as he knew.
it wasn't until Meredith called for Hawke to be killed, when Hawke wasn't even part of the circle did he then realise it had nothing to do with the corruption in the circle and the safety of kirkwall, but more that it was Meredith just gone off the deep end.
If you are going to use he only realize after she ordered Hawke killed that she had gone to far and also use the three mages he "saved" then also remember he said that there was no reason for the annulment. The circle was not so far gone it couldn't be saved. But did he do anything? No and if Hawke doesn't back him up he kill the three mages so his trying to "save" them was just hot air. He knew there was no justifiable reason for the annulment. But did he stop it no.
Yeah if Hawke says to go easy on Alain then he will stick up for him but the very first words out of his mouth are to have Alain tortured. And lets not for get that he just ordered a rape victim tortured.
As for Bethany she turned herself in and didn't fight also if Hawke goes to attack him Bethany stop him/her. She was already a "tame mage".
You're joking, right? 90% of the Cullen threads that pop up are hate threads or quickly turn into hate threads. There's only one active Cullen fan thread and that's the official one where we all hide.
No. I'm not. Like I said I couldn't find any anti-Cullen threads. Though some point some out on this thread. Also when ever I even hinted at not liking Cullen I was called a troll. Hell I was called a troll on this thread. Which really pissed me off.
Too much meaningless noise. It's like listening to people fangirling over popgroups and vampire novels. Little sense, too much fangirling. I'd agree if Cullen was a deep and meaningful character, or controversial, but he's been literally in five-six scenes in both DA:O and DA2. Yet people create so many headcanons and lose their minds over fanfictions it's just sad
Well, one example is you guys. Someone starts saying they dislike Cullen and don't understand his popularity you jump on people
Enthusiastic is not antonym to rabid. If they can't handle people not liking Cullen, I don't see why people disliking Cullen have to accept them
That's for the most part incorrect. We (or at least the ones in the Cullen thread) don't mind people disliking Cullen. Hell, I'm one of those "fangirls" and I'm all for the option to have him killed, if people don't like him then they shouldn't have to put up with him in their game. What we don't like is people attacking us or an individual just for being a fan of his character. I'm sure there are characters you like that people would disagree with you on, but it's all down to individual tastes. Whatever tickles your pickle 'n' all that!
I'll agree that the thread is a bit crazy and moves fast, but we aren't just talking about Cullen all the time... hell, we're rarely on topic as it is. We're excited, not just about Cullen's inclusion in the game, but about the game in general (which is usually what we're talking about in there). Get enough excited people in any confined area and it's gonna get loud, that's just the way it is.
No. I'm not. Like I said I couldn't find any anti-Cullen threads. Though some point some out on this thread. Also when ever I even hinted at not liking Cullen I was called a troll. Hell I was called a troll on this thread. Which really pissed me off.
There is one in the scuttlebutt forum. Don't ask me why it's there it just is.
There is one in the scuttlebutt forum. Don't ask me why it's there it just is.
Weird. No wonder I couldn't find it.
No. I'm not. Like I said I couldn't find any anti-Cullen threads. Though some point some out on this thread. Also when ever I even hinted at not liking Cullen I was called a troll. Hell I was called a troll on this thread. Which really pissed me off.
If you done it in the main Cullen thread it may have been the approach you took. Did you go in there and say something rude? Or come across as aggressive? Insult the fans? If so, then you shouldn't be surprised if they're rude to you back. If not, then I apologise on their behalf.
If you done it in the main Cullen thread it may have been the approach you took. Did you go in there and say something rude? Or come across as aggressive? Insult the fans? If so, then you shouldn't be surprised if they're rude to you back. If not, then I apologise on their behalf.
No I didn't not insult the fans. People can like whoever they want. I may have come across more aggressive than I meant to be but I wasn't going for that I wasn't rude about it either. Though I did lose my temper a little bit near the end. My post was removed.
No I didn't not insult the fans. People can like whoever they want. I may have come across more aggressive than I meant to be but I wasn't going for that I wasn't rude about it either. Though I did lose my temper a little bit near the end. My post was removed.
Hm, I don't recall seeing that one but I'm not in there as often as I'd like to be. Well then, I apologise for the misunderstanding!
As for Bethany she turned herself in and didn't fight also if Hawke goes to attack him Bethany stop him/her. She was already a "tame mage".
The whole point of Bethany's turning herself to Templars was to let her family be safe and not to suffer the consequences of living with an apostate mage in the Capital of Templar order. Hawke's intention to fight Cullen contradicts it. Running from the Templars beforehand was not her decision. That was a decision made by Malcolm and Leandra for them and their children, whether they liked it or not. (And Malcolm was not thrilled with having mage children). As long as it was just her she decided not to endanger her family.
Sorry for OT, it just irked me.
Well, it looks like this thread is doomed anyway.
No I didn't not insult the fans. People can like whoever they want. I may have come across more aggressive than I meant to be but I wasn't going for that I wasn't rude about it either. Though I did lose my temper a little bit near the end. My post was removed.
Pardon me to interfere but you where pretty aggressive mate some of us thought you were trolling initially,you even started calling names at some point (although I think it was about Cullen and not the fans,which is something at least)and I happened to be on-line at that moment...
And that aggression was unnecessary since it was a topic we discussed million times in the thread yet we were eager to re-discuss and politely provide you with info and sources.But since you have no intentions of insulting the fans I guess these things don't really matter now.
Pardon me to interfere but you where pretty aggressive mate some of us thought you were trolling initially,you even started calling names at some point (although I think it was about Cullen and not the fans,which is something at least)and I happened to be on-line at that moment...
And that aggression was unnecessary since it was a topic we discussed million times in the thread yet we were eager to re-discuss and politely provide you with info and sources.
He has every right to critisize a character and even hate him. Like it or not
As for Bethany she turned herself in and didn't fight also if Hawke goes to attack him Bethany stop him/her. She was already a "tame mage".
While PC Hawke could toss around magic in sight of a Templar and no one would bat an eye. DA2 was not a game that made sense so looking for sense is not going to work.
DA:O at least provided an explanation of why you were above the law.
He has every right to critisize a character and even hate him. Like it or not
Never said the opposite...
Never said the opposite...
If he didn't insult any other user, then why removie his posts and act rude to him? Just because he dislikes a fan favourite?
If he didn't insult any other user, then why removie his posts and act rude to him? Just because he dislikes a fan favourite?
That would have been a moderator or dev who removed it, presumably because he/she thought he/she was attacking the fans or something. We get a lot of devs lurking in there so they tend to remove anything they deem dodgy, spammy or rude.
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