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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rhys and Adrian where Senor Enchanters and who knows what they had to do to get the right to go outside. 

 

As for Ferelden, if the Circle was such a great place to be, I doubt Anders wouldn't have tried escaping seven times.

Anders was one of those people with a "a gilded cage is still a cage" mindset. In truth, the mages live some of the most comfortable lives in Thedas. Just compare their living conditions with those of the Casteless Dwarves, the Elves both Dalish but especially City, and even human commoners. 

[Ispan]

They do more then warn people of the dangers of magic, they call mages living sin. They say the blight is the fault of mages. And people aren't locked up the rest of their lives for owning a gun.

 

I could have sworn I seen a couple templar bodies on the ground. But is has been years since I've played Origins so I could be wrong.

 

If you played Legacy even Anders starts to believe that mages caused the blights after talking to Corypheus.  (oops, Sasha already said this)

 

I don't think the Circles work (they obviously don't) but regardless mages are dangerous.  People talk about letting mages govern mages like it'd be some utopia but corruption exists everywhere and if some mages were given positions of power over others abuses would turn up there too.  No one can say if they'd be better or worse than the Templars, but mages are still just people with ambition, hate, jealousy, fear, insecurity and many other volatile emotions (they just have the means to act out on those on a far grander scale than a non-mage).

 

Edit:  But this is supposed to be about Cullen.  In Act 3, some time before Anders blows up the chantry, Cullen says something like "I told myself I'd never again question the purpose of the order, but things are going too far."  He's willing to reexamine his beliefs when new evidence arises to show he's wrong.  And I'm officially too tired to talk about Cullen.

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[Panda]

Rhys and Adrian where Senor Enchanters and who knows what they had to do to get the right to go outside. 

 

As for Ferelden, if the Circle was such a great place to be, I doubt Anders wouldn't have tried escaping seven times.

 

Well the more you are in the circle and higher you are the more benefits you have, that's true. I doubt recruits have so much freedoms anywhere but echanters in other hand can get more freedoms since they have proven that they aren't as dangerous or unpredictable.

 

Circles seem to be good places for some. Wynne loved circle and Bethany as well. Many mages don't mind it but some just can't settle with what they have. I don't think it was ever implied that Ferelden's circle would have been as bad as Kirkwall's for example. I doubt it was all sunshine and rainbows but Ferelden's circle seemed to work pretty well until Uldred's plan and many mages seemed to be rather happy.

[Eveangaline]

Anders was one of those people with a "a gilded cage is still a cage" mindset. In truth, the mages live some of the most comfortable lives in Thedas. Just compare their living conditions with those of the Casteless Dwarves, the Elves both Dalish but especially City, and even human commoners. 

To be fair, a gilded cage is still a cage. Did you ever play an elf and talk to Leliana and she talks about how elves do well because they are often pretty servants to orlesian nobles and you can point out that's still a pretty terrible situation without the respect of humans.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To be fair, a gilded cage is still a cage. Did you ever play an elf and talk to Leliana and she talks about how elves do well because they are often pretty servants to orlesian nobles and you can point out that's still a pretty terrible situation without the respect of humans.

I know, but he seems to think that because it is a cage the mages have it worse than anyone else when that is factually incorrect. 

[thetinyevil]

No, they call it a gift and a curse. If they saw it as sin, they would have let the first Inquisition and the other mage hunting groups exterminate them instead of make a compromise with the mages thus forming the Circle. 

 

Um, the Blight is the fault of mages. The Tevinter Mgisters did what the Chantry said they did. Play Legacy. 

 

I played it recently, and I saw no bodies. There was the Enchanter the couple apprentices, and Darkspawn. The Enchanter was even making a lesson out of it, so it wasn't like they were freaking out as they would be if the Templars with them died.

 

 

Please provide evidence. You've been wrong about too many claims that I need proof to believe more. 

 

That one blood mage taught others, like Grace. So a bunch of blood mages. 

Not many things only two. 

 

Also when you first take the mission from Thrask and Alain says no one knows how the fires starts but Alain thinks it was Decimus. Who was bat **** crazy

 

Alain talks about the abuse they received in Starkhaven, it wasn't as bad as Kirkwall but there was still a lot of abuse.

[Eveangaline]

I know, but he seems to think that because it is a cage the mages have it worse than anyone else when that is factually incorrect. 

True, but "others have it worse" doesn't make mages lives more acceptable.

 

Oh I just hope for logical circle reform options in inquisition.

 

 

ANd to find out what happened to that circle set up in Orzamar but that's mostly because I find the topic interesting and want to see what sort of system they set up.

[thetinyevil]

Anders was one of those people with a "a gilded cage is still a cage" mindset. In truth, the mages live some of the most comfortable lives in Thedas. Just compare their living conditions with those of the Casteless Dwarves, the Elves both Dalish but especially City, and even human commoners. 

Yes they are guarded by people who hate them and want to kill them. They have no privacy, even enchanters don't get their own rooms, at least in Ferelden. Also if the people who "protect" them even suspect that they are blood mages they are killed or made tranquil. Yeah they live great lives.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Not many things only two. 

 

Also when you first take the mission from Thrask and Alain says no one knows how the fires starts but Alain thinks it was Decimus. Who was bat **** crazy

 

Alain talks about the abuse they received in Starkhaven, it wasn't as bad as Kirkwall but there was still a lot of abuse.

I count at least three: Cullen's killing spree, Cullen being with Meredith, and Templar corpses. But whatevs.

 

By evidence, I mean I want quotes from the game. I know Alain says that he believes Decimus started the fire and that Kirkwall was worse than Starkhaven ever was, but I don't recall him saying Starkhaven was terrible so I would like evidence please. 

[kalasaurus]

To me anders was a serious psychopath that hid under the guise of a cause. He seemed like he was conflicted psychologically. 

 

I pitied him on the Rivalry path.  Hawke tries to help him deal with his inner demons (or demon- Justice/Vengeance, as it is).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True, but "others have it worse" doesn't make mages lives more acceptable.

 

Oh I just hope for logical circle reform options in inquisition.

 

 

ANd to find out what happened to that circle set up in Orzamar but that's mostly because I find the topic interesting and want to see what sort of system they set up.

I'm not saying it does. Just pointing out others have it worse.

 

I too hope to create a better system, but the Circle and Templars are needed in some capacity. 

 

The Dwarves killed the Chantry Dwarf there so I doubt the Circle remains. It was probably assimilated into the other Circles.

[thetinyevil]

Well the more you are in the circle and higher you are the more benefits you have, that's true. I doubt recruits have so much freedoms anywhere but echanters in other hand can get more freedoms since they have proven that they aren't as dangerous or unpredictable.

 

Circles seem to be good places for some. Wynne loved circle and Bethany as well. Many mages don't mind it but some just can't settle with what they have. I don't think it was ever implied that Ferelden's circle would have been as bad as Kirkwall's for example. I doubt it was all sunshine and rainbows but Ferelden's circle seemed to work pretty well until Uldred's plan and many mages seemed to be rather happy.

The recurits were allowed out. We know this because they visit the Blooming Rose. Remember how Vivik tells you that they get a lot of business form the Templars.

[Chari]

I really can't stand Cullen and his rabid fanbase, which apparently thinks that disliking their husbando is a terrible crime against humanity

And now he's not just an advisor (and my main Inquisitor will be a pro-war alvashoth) but also one of possible two LIs for ladies

Dang, dang, dang!

I only hope that Iron Bull is a LI for ladies as well, then Cullen can go to Hell for all I care

[thetinyevil]

I know, but he seems to think that because it is a cage the mages have it worse than anyone else when that is factually incorrect. 

Never said they have it worse than anyone else. But they do have a pretty bad lot. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes they are guarded by people who hate them and want to kill them. They have no privacy, even enchanters don't get their own rooms, at least in Ferelden. Also if the people who "protect" them even suspect that they are blood mages they are killed or made tranquil. Yeah they live great lives.

No, they are guarded by people who are duty-bound to stop them in the event of them becoming malificarum or abominations. Of course they don't have privacy since any moment they can be taken by demons. 

 

And no, evidence is needed. It's not just "I think they're a blood mage". And the First Enchanter has to agree with the Templars before they can do anything. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The recurits were allowed out. We know this because they visit the Blooming Rose. Remember how Vivik tells you that they get a lot of business form the Templars.

They meant Apprentices. 

[kalasaurus]

It asks a very interesting question though. How much impact did Justice contribute to a man who was already psychologically in danger?

 

At the very least, it seemed to accelerate any predisposition Anders had towards mental illness.  On the Rivalry path, it really shows.

[Eveangaline]

I'm not saying it does. Just pointing out others have it worse.

 

I too hope to create a better system, but the Circle and Templars are needed in some capacity. 

 

The Dwarves killed the Chantry Dwarf there so I doubt the Circle remains. It was probably assimilated into the other Circles.

I just don't get what the point of pointing it out is?

 

I'd say circle yes, templars no.

 

What does the chantry dwarf have to do with the circle at all? The dwarves like the circle being there for profit and a new thing to study, and the mages probably won't all want to leave because one chantry gets torn down. Also the circle dwarf ending only gets him killed if you had a chantry set up, so might not even happen.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Never said they have it worse than anyone else. But they do have a pretty bad lot. 

Anders thought mages had it the worst.

[thetinyevil]

Well the more you are in the circle and higher you are the more benefits you have, that's true. I doubt recruits have so much freedoms anywhere but echanters in other hand can get more freedoms since they have proven that they aren't as dangerous or unpredictable.

 

Circles seem to be good places for some. Wynne loved circle and Bethany as well. Many mages don't mind it but some just can't settle with what they have. I don't think it was ever implied that Ferelden's circle would have been as bad as Kirkwall's for example. I doubt it was all sunshine and rainbows but Ferelden's circle seemed to work pretty well until Uldred's plan and many mages seemed to be rather happy.

Wynne was so brainwashed that she thought it was okay they didn't even let her see her own son when he was born. And it was months before she was even told where he was. As for Bethany, she is one of the weakest characters there is, she hates herself for being a mage.

[Panda]

I really can't stand Cullen and his rabid fanbase, which apparently thinks that disliking their husbando is a terrible crime against humanity

And now he's not just an advisor (and my main Inquisitor will be a pro-war alvashoth) but also one of possible two LIs for ladies

Dang, dang, dang!

I only hope that Iron Bull is a LI for ladies as well, then Cullen can go to Hell for all I care

 

Umm no it's okay as long someone doesn't bring their headcanons to it declaring that they are universal truth and get angry for people who politely try to say that didn't happen in the game etc. Like I have seen many post saying how Cullen enjoys killing mages, that it's his favorite hobby.. that's just headcanon lol he is against killing mages in many times during games. I'm all about discussion but it's hard to see when people just want to dwell on their hate and when they want discuss about character ^^;.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I just don't get what the point of pointing it out is?

 

I'd say circle yes, templars no.

 

What does the chantry dwarf have to do with the circle at all? The dwarves like the circle being there for profit and a new thing to study, and the mages probably won't all want to leave because one chantry gets torn down. Also the circle dwarf ending only gets him killed if you had a chantry set up, so might not even happen.

Anders thought mages had it the worst, hence his escape attempts. So I pointed out why he was wrong. 

 

You'll need people trained to stop magic to prevent mages from abusing their power. The Templars are it. 

 

The Chantry doesn't allow Circles out of their sight is why. And I've never had the Circle built in Orzammar in the epilogue slides either so that also might not even happen.