Wynne was so brainwashed that she thought it was okay they didn't even let her see her own son when he was born. And it was months before she was even told where he was. As for Bethany, she is one of the weakest characters there is, she hates herself for being a mage.
So anyone who agrees with the Chantry is either brainwashed or weak, huh?
Yeah, this thread won't go anywhere if you think that.
Anders thought mages had it the worst.
He also lived through it. Who knows how many mages he healed after they were abused by templars and the templars weren't even given a slap on the wrist. How many friends he found with slit wrists or hanging with a self mad noose or how many found ways to throw themselves from the tower. A place can't be all that great if the majority of deaths in that place is suicide.
I really can't stand Cullen and his rabid fanbase, which apparently thinks that disliking their husbando is a terrible crime against humanity
And now he's not just an advisor (and my main Inquisitor will be a pro-war alvashoth) but also one of possible two LIs for ladies
Dang, dang, dang!
I only hope that Iron Bull is a LI for ladies as well, then Cullen can go to Hell for all I care
Did they confirm there was only 2 male LIs? That can't be possible since they want to have heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual options available, meaning at least 3.
I think the scene that really captures it is when you don't stop him and he ends up killing that girl in act 2. That was probably his breaking point
And he hates himself for it.
He also lived through it. Who knows how many mages he healed after they were abused by templars and the templars weren't even given a slap on the wrist. How many friends he found with slit wrists or hanging with a self mad noose or how many found ways to throw themselves from the tower. A place can't be all that great if the majority of deaths in that place is suicide.
You don't know any of that happened, Anders is a liar afterall and will say anything to get others to support him, so that is not evidence. However, want to something Anders did do for the mages to "help them out"? He killed the Kirkwall Circle.
Anders thought mages had it the worst, hence his escape attempts. So I pointed out why he was wrong.
You'll need people trained to stop magic to prevent mages from abusing their power. The Templars are it.
The Chantry doesn't allow Circles out of their sight is why. And I've never had the Circle built in Orzammar in the epilogue slides either so that also might not even happen.
I don't think it was just thinking that mages had it the worse that led to his escape attempts. He obviously thought he himself would be happier outside (and considering he spent his time outside sleeping with isabella at the pearl he apparently was)
And templars can be replaced by a new force that doesn't work for the church made up mostly in mages (who hey, would be able to stop other mages) and secular forces from the kingdom, and is well regulated themselves by the kingdom. Whoever gets allowed to have such power over the mages should be just as regulated as the mages themselves, and I trust that to happen more in a secular system protecting it's citizens than the chantry.
Well yes the chantry doesn't WANT circles out of their sight but unless they actually go through with an exalted march on the dwarves, there's nothing they can do to stop the circle that's there from being there. And as far as we know they might have considered it, but never actually done it. And I'm aware it might not happen, I'm just saying the chantry dwarf ending has literally nothing to do with the circle in orzamaar ending. At all. I'm just interested in what we'll see in inquisition if there is a circle in Orzamar.
I think the scene that really captures it is when you don't stop him and he ends up killing that girl in act 2. That was probably his breaking point
He's pretty broken up about almost killing her too- he loses control briefly (before Hawke stopped him) and that disturbed him. I'll have to look up the scene where he actually does kill the girl.
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And he hates himself for it.
Exactly. After that it seemed like he wanted some form of redemption. One thing to try and make it right
Umm no it's okay as long someone doesn't bring their headcanons to it declaring that they are universal truth and get angry for people who politely try to say that didn't happen in the game etc. Like I have seen many post saying how Cullen enjoys killing mages, that it's his favorite hobby.. that's just headcanon lol he is against killing mages in many times during games. I'm all about discussion but it's hard to see when people just want to dwell on their hate and when they want discuss about character ^^;.
Well, this is a Cullen Hate thread. What else do you expect from them?
I count at least three: Cullen's killing spree, Cullen being with Meredith, and Templar corpses. But whatevs.
By evidence, I mean I want quotes from the game. I know Alain says that he believes Decimus started the fire and that Kirkwall was worse than Starkhaven ever was, but I don't recall him saying Starkhaven was terrible so I would like evidence please.
Not really wrong since it is in the game. And I did say it was one of the endings for Origins. Rumors or not they were there and people do use it as their head cannon. So not wrong. I don't, would love to but I don't because I didn't get that in any of my Origins playthroughs.
Did they confirm there was only 2 male LIs? That can't be possible since they want to have heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual options available, meaning at least 3.
I mean male LIs for ladies. One will be gay and won't be interested. And I do like the new system, but, damn, it's Cullen we're talking about! I found Jacob and Sebastian less boring and cliche. Why couldn't he stay as a neutral npc? Why for Maker's sake they made him LI, when we have four-five amazing dudes, much more suitable for LI roles? And what's it with almost half of team being composed of previous companions, npcs etc? Not enough fresh blood
If Cullen is LI, but IB or Warden aren't then... ugh, I don't understand Bioware's tastes
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He's pretty broken up about almost killing her too- he loses control briefly (before Hawke stopped him) and that disturbed him. I'll have to look up the scene where he actually does kill the girl.
In my playthrough I never really liked anders. I thought he used to play the victim role a lot and I thought he was a bit too self righteous.
I never stopped him from killing the girl because my character never liked him.
In my playthrough I never really liked anders. I thought he used to play the victim role a lot and I thought he was a bit too self righteous.
I never stopped him from killing the girl because my character never liked him.
Did your character hate the girl too?
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Did your character hate the girl too?
Nah but my character was in no position to support any of anders decisions. Sure hate. I was playing a chantry supporting mage by that time too.
I don't think it was just thinking that mages had it the worse that led to his escape attempts. He obviously thought he himself would be happier outside (and considering he spent his time outside sleeping with isabella at the pearl he apparently was)
And templars can be replaced by a new force that doesn't work for the church made up mostly in mages (who hey, would be able to stop other mages) and secular forces from the kingdom, and is well regulated themselves by the kingdom. Whoever gets allowed to have such power over the mages should be just as regulated as the mages themselves, and I trust that to happen more in a secular system protecting it's citizens than the chantry.
Well yes but unless they actually go through with an exalted march on the dwarves, there's nothing they can do to stop the circle that's there from being there. And as far as we know they might have considered it, but never actually done it. And I'm aware it might not happen, I'm just saying the chantry dwarf ending has literally nothing to do with the circle in orzamaar ending. At all. I'm just interested in what we'll see in inquisition if there is a circle in Orzamar.
I use Templar as shorthand for "soldiers trained to stop magic in combat of mages". Though mages policing mages is a bad idea. The Tevinter Chantry tried that, and now the Magisters rule everything with an iron, bloody fist. Same with the kingdoms having a say: they'll use the Circles as weapons. The only way to really prevent other forces from abusing it is to have the Circles and the Templar/equivalent of is by having them fully detached from other groups. Sort of like the Grey Wardens.
Wynne was so brainwashed that she thought it was okay they didn't even let her see her own son when he was born. And it was months before she was even told where he was. As for Bethany, she is one of the weakest characters there is, she hates herself for being a mage.
I don't see these characters that way ^^; Wynne was very intelligent woman, she wanted change in the circles situation as well without going war with templars and chantry. She knew the dangers of magic and hardships of being a mage and she thought Circle was best place to let mages learn to control their talents and also protect them from citizens who feared and hated them (she was almost killed as child because of that). I don't think she was happy to see her son go but she needed to obey the rule.
There is many factions in the circle who want different things for mages and I don't think some of them are just strong mages and some weak ones. Some kind of circle system is in my opinion necessary. There will be always people who want more power so templars are necessary in that sense. I don't think the current system is best possible but it's best solution people in Thedas had at the moment. Many mages like the system, they just want to improve it as better, one with greater freedom and without abuse. I don't think system without circles and templars would work, there would be magic accidents (cause mages wouldn't know how to use their talents) and abominations everywhere.
IMHO Circles do need to exist, as well as Templars. But all of them should be reformed, changed and developed better
If the system wasn't weak and corrupt no revolution would happen in the first place
I rly hope i can kill him or kick him out and replace him with someone competent and neutral.If bioware want fanservice and put him to every da game for squee their matter but i hope they won't force me to deal with it and i get neutral adviser.
Not really wrong since it is in the game. And I did say it was one of the endings for Origins. Rumors or not they were there and people do use it as their head cannon. So not wrong. I don't, would love to but I don't because I didn't get that in any of my Origins playthroughs.
Headcanon =/= canon. And Bioware said it did not happen. So thinking it did is wrong.
Oh God, let me start a "I don't like Iron Bull, let's complain about it" thread and see how long it takes before it's shut down. I hope the mods shut this thread down quick. Don't like Cullen? Well get over it. He's in the game, he's your adviser, whining about it won't change it. If I have to deal with iron bull being in the game when I'd rather have someone else replace him, you can deal with Cullen.
I don't see Iron Bull fans being rabid or making 1000+ pages of discussing, eh, I don't know, his smirk or his lack of hair
Well, assumed to be retconned. But considering how it doesn't affect da2, yes probably retconned. There was also a misunderstanding when one of the writers had to point out that source is important when reading something, so when a codex entry had an author, it meant that the author was the one wrote it and it could have been colored by his perspective, or he could have outright lied. They were aware of this basic rule when writing the epilogues, so many of the epilogues are stated as rumours. When it had to be pointed out, a lot of people said things such as: "devs confirmed all epilogues are rumors" and used that to dispute some of the epilogues they did not like. I've even seen people going back and forth between saying none of the epilogues meant anything, and saying that they did when talking about an epilogue slide they approved of.I was thinking about this scene, and him going on a killing spree in the epilogue (which was retconned, I know).
I use Templar as shorthand for "soldiers trained to stop magic in combat of mages". Though mages policing mages is a bad idea. The Tevinter Chantry tried that, and now the Magisters rule everything with an iron, bloody fist. Same with the kingdoms having a say: they'll use the Circles as weapons. The only way to really prevent other forces from abusing it is to have the Circles and the Templar/equivalent of is by having them fully detached from other groups. Sort of like the Grey Wardens.
And the normal chantry tried using templars and now they're swallowing red lyrium, telling the church to go ef itself and going nuts. So if we're using the "If one variation of the system didn't work" then that means we can't ever trust non mages to watch over them since it didn't work this time. That's why your argument of "Well tevinter tried it and it failed" falls flat. The templar system failed too.
Also Tevinter is mostly a problem because it has a history and culture of blood magic and slavery. Take those away and the magisters wouldn't really be any worse than the nobility that rule other countries with iron fists and say FU to the peasants. Their problem isn't that there's mages ruling it's that there's slave owner sociopaths ruling.
Also, why is the risk the kingdoms might use them in war bad? Do you think the chantry doesn't use the mages when they do exalted marches? Kingdoms aren't any more likely to use mages as weapons than the chantry so it's really a lateral step. And at least mages in a circle would all be from that country they'd be made to fight for, rather than forced to fight for a religion they may not believe in.
Circles existing with mages mostly watching themselves with whatever secular forces are part of the kingdom is the best route I say. They're no more likely to get used as weapons by the chantry and it is easier for the people watching them to be regulated. If the chantry or templars abuse them then they always have the fallback of "are you questioning GOD". A state run system is a lot easier for people to protest against and publicly denounce if it messes up.
Also having the circles be run by a system like the gray wardens doesn't make sense because for one, the gray wardens do follow all the secular laws, make treaties and agreements with the secular authorities and can get kicked out by the secular authorities. So why not just cut out the middle man and have the secular authorities run something that's going to be directly effecting their mage citizens than trust some third party?
Headcanon =/= canon. And Bioware said it did not happen. So thinking it did is wrong.
It's still there in the epilogue, plain as day.
Even if it didn't happen in DA2, it's in DA: O. Whether or not Bioware writers later get on the forums/twitter and say it's a rumor/didn't happen, it's still in the game.
So anyone who agrees with the Chantry is either brainwashed or weak, huh?
Yeah, this thread won't go anywhere if you think that.
And what would you call it. Agreeing that you are not a person that you are incapable of raising your own children. That you are evil because you are mage. And Bethany turns herself in spitting in her family's face by doing that.
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