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[TheKomandorShepard]

Oh God, let me start a "I don't like Iron Bull, let's complain about it" thread and see how long it takes before it's shut down. I hope the mods shut this thread down quick. Don't like Cullen? Well get over it. He's in the game, he's your adviser, whining about it won't change it. If I have to deal with iron bull being in the game when I'd rather have someone else replace him, you can deal with Cullen.

How do you know that iron bull will be enforced companion at all DG said that most companions will be optional like in dao.... as i said if inquisition is my organization i should decide who i hire and for example having pro-templar as military leader when you are pro-mage (same for other matters like pro-templar etc) is dumbest thing you can do it is like go on anti-qunari crusade and hire arishok as leader of your armies so it is sane thing to demand alternatives especially than cullen as shown is far and far from competent person it is rather poor fanservice if you want deal with that well your deal but i would like not and have alternative...

 

They already did that with pro-templar hawke who protected damn abomnation for 7 years...

[obsessedwjpn]

I don't see Iron Bull fans being rabid or making 1000+ pages of discussing, eh, I don't know, his smirk or his lack of hair

 

Why should what Cullen fans discuss bother you? If you don't like Cullen then that is fine but how much fans talk about something they like shouldn't be something that affects your day. Just let people like what they like and move on. And from what I have seen in the Cullen thread, there are no rapid fans there. Please do not use comments such as that to generalize a group of many people.

[Eveangaline]

I don't see Iron Bull fans being rabid or making 1000+ pages of discussing, eh, I don't know, his smirk or his lack of hair

I don't see the Cullen fans being anything I'd describe as 'rabid' just because they are enthusiastic. I think Gaider said it best http://forum.bioware...2#entry16066653

 

 

I'm referring to the perception of "people who want Cullen to appear."

It's like the threads that keep popping up about him. Just about every one starts with "oh god why are there all these threads where crazy fangirls are demanding he be in the next game?"

I don't know what they're referring to. There have been way more threads complaining about fans asking for Cullen than there have ever been threads asking for Cullen...and the threads asking for Cullen are generally the same sort of wistful "wouldn't it be nice if...?" discussions that come up about every other sort of thing that people talk about here in absence of real game info.

Quite frankly, if there ever was a group of fans who I (or anyone else on the DA team) would include something just to make them happy, I think we'd lean more towards the "polite but enthusiastic" than not. Just saying.

[thetinyevil]

Did they confirm there was only 2 male LIs? That can't be possible since they want to have heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual options available, meaning at least 3. 

They have only confirmed two LI's Cullen and Cassandra. But their orientations haven't been released yet.

[obsessedwjpn]

How do you know that iron bull will be enforced companion at all DG said that most companions will be optional like in dao.... as i said if inquisition is my organization i should decide who i hire and for example having pro-templar as military leader when you are pro-mage (same for other matters like pro-templar etc) is dumbest thing you can do it is like go on anti-qunari crusade and hire arishok as leader of your armies so it is sane thing to demand alternatives especially than cullen as shown is far and far from competent person it is rather poor fanservice if you want deal with that well your deal but i would like not and have alternative...

 

They already did that with pro-templar hawke who protected damn abomnation for 7 years...

 

You are already deciding what Cullen supports or doesn't. We don't know what he will be like in this new game. He isn't wearing a templar insignia on his clothes anymore in the screenshots. He could be completely unaffiliated with the templars now, similar to how Cassandra is with the seekers. Keep an open mind people and don't decide now when we know so little about how the characters will be in Inquisition.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

And what would you call it. Agreeing that you are not a person that you are incapable of raising your own children. That you are evil because you are mage. And Bethany turns herself in spitting in her family's face by doing that. 

Where does the Chantry teach them they aren't people? I've played the Magi origin and not one person in the whole origins tells me that. They never say you are evil either, just that you have a gift and a curse. And Bethany turns herself in so her family doesn't get in trouble for harboring an apostate. Yeah, such a spit in the face making sure her family isn't punished for her sake. That was a selfless act on her part.

 

I'm done. You are either trolling or so full of bias that any further discussion is pointless. Good day.

 

[thetinyevil]

You don't know any of that happened, Anders is a liar afterall and will say anything to get others to support him, so that is not evidence. However, want to something Anders did do for the mages to "help them out"? He killed the Kirkwall Circle. 

They were already dead. Meredith sent for the ROA from Val Royeaux and considering what she likely put in her reports back to Val Royeaux she would have gotten it. Which means the mages where already just living on borrowed time. 

[Panda]

Well, this is a Cullen Hate thread. What else do you expect from them? 

 

Being at least reasonable and not claiming things as true that didn't happen in the game, I hope that's not too much

 

I rly hope i can kill him or kick him out and replace him with someone competent and neutral.If bioware want fanservice and put him to every da game for squee their matter but i hope they won't force me to deal with it and i get neutral adviser.

 

Fanservice.. this comes always out. But in this sense Leliana, Morrigan, Varric, Cole, Cassandra.. everyone that isn't new is just fanservice? If bioware has them in the story cause they think they make sense and they want games to have continuity, I don't think any of the characters are fanservice. If they just purely want to please fans, well that's fanservice but I doubt they would have any character in the game just cause of that.

[Chari]

Why should what Cullen fans discuss bother you? If you don't like Cullen then that is fine but how much fans talk about something they like shouldn't be something that affects your day. Just let people like what they like and move on. And from what I have seen in the Cullen thread, there are no rapid fans there. Please do not use comments such as that to generalize a group of many people.

Too much meaningless noise. It's like listening to people fangirling over popgroups and vampire novels. Little sense, too much fangirling. I'd agree if Cullen was a deep and meaningful character, or controversial, but he's been literally in five-six scenes in both DA:O and DA2. Yet people create so many headcanons and lose their minds over fanfictions it's just sad

Well, one example is you guys. Someone starts saying they dislike Cullen and don't understand his popularity you jump on people

 

I don't see the Cullen fans being anything I'd describe as 'rabid' just because they are enthusiastic. I think Gaider said it best http://forum.bioware...2#entry16066653

Enthusiastic is not antonym to rabid. If they can't handle people not liking Cullen, I don't see why people disliking Cullen have to accept them

[thetinyevil]

I use Templar as shorthand for "soldiers trained to stop magic in combat of mages". Though mages policing mages is a bad idea. The Tevinter Chantry tried that, and now the Magisters rule everything with an iron, bloody fist. Same with the kingdoms having a say: they'll use the Circles as weapons. The only way to really prevent other forces from abusing it is to have the Circles and the Templar/equivalent of is by having them fully detached from other groups. Sort of like the Grey Wardens. 

Don't forget rape and torture.

[Chari]

Don't forget rape and torture.

So nobles, mages and all other factions except templars don't do these things?

Hmm...

[Eveangaline]

Enthusiastic is not antonym to rabid. If they can't handle people not liking Cullen, I don't see why people disliking Cullen have to accept them

 

It's not so much that people can't handle others not liking cullen it's that identical threads made whining claiming that fans are rabid is obnoxious. Most of the cullen hate threads involve a lot of bashing the fans almost as much if not more than Cullen himself.

 

Personally I don't really have any opinions on Cullen for or against. Seems a bit milktoast to me, but Cullen haters annoy me because they're almost always complaining more that how dare some fangirls like something than complaining about Cullen himself.

[thetinyevil]

Where does the Chantry teach them they aren't people? I've played the Magi origin and not one person in the whole origins tells me that. They never say you are evil either, just that you have a gift and a curse. And Bethany turns herself in so her family doesn't get in trouble for harboring an apostate. Yeah, such a spit in the face making sure her family isn't punished for her sake. That was a selfless act on her part.

 

I'm done. You are either trolling or so full of bias that any further discussion is pointless. Good day.

 

I have lost count of the templars and Clergy say mages aren't people like Cullen. And they do say they are evil and that their magic is a curse few say it is also a gift. Yes it was a spit in the face of her family. They gave up so much for her but she threw it all back in their faces.

[ilikesocks]

I don't see Iron Bull fans being rabid or making 1000+ pages of discussing, eh, I don't know, his smirk or his lack of hair

Rabid? Seriously?! I'm talking about Cullen here, not his fans. I'd really like to know how fans are rabid because they like a character? Lawd. Ohhhhh Allaaaaannnnnnn

[obsessedwjpn]

Too much meaningless noise. It's like listening to people fangirling over popgroups and vampire novels. Little sense, too much fangirling. I'd agree if Cullen was a deep and meaningful character, or controversial, but he's been literally in five-six scenes in both DA:O and DA2. Yet people create so many headcanons and lose their minds over fanfictions it's just sad

Well, one example is you guys. Someone starts saying they dislike Cullen and don't understand his popularity you jump on people

 

Enthusiastic is not antonym to rabid. If they can't handle people not liking Cullen, I don't see why people disliking Cullen have to accept them

 

I am fine with you hating Cullen even. I have no issue with someone not liking him. I have issue with people who say a group of people fangirling over something they don't understand or don't deem worthy of fangirling are rapid/something is wrong with them. Please continue to talk about what you don't like about Cullen but please don't stereotype a group of people simply because you don't agree with their interests/passion. People can get excited about a character with very little scenes and there is nothing wrong with that. Cullen is a very deep/compassionate character in some people's minds and just because you don't think that doesn't mean those people are weird or something is wrong.

[Chari]

It's not so much that people can't handle others not liking cullen it's that identical threads made whining claiming that fans are rabid is obnoxious. Most of the cullen hate threads involve a lot of bashing the fans almost as much if not more than Cullen himself.

 

Personally I don't really have any opinions on Cullen for or against. Seems a bit milktoast to me, but Cullen haters annoy me because they're almost always complaining more that how dare some fangirls like something than complaining about Cullen himself.

People have a right to hate any character and dislike any fangroup. If fans areallowed to voice their love, so haters are allowed to voice their dislik

[TheKomandorShepard]

You are already deciding what Cullen supports or doesn't. We don't know what he will be like in this new game. He isn't wearing a templar insignia on his clothes anymore in the screenshots. He could be completely unaffiliated with the templars now, similar to how Cassandra is with the seekers. Keep an open mind people and don't decide now when we know so little about how the characters will be in Inquisition.

it is clear that he is stronlgy pro-templar as i said everyone have own goals being anti-qunari and hriing pro-qunari oficer is nothing more than tempting fate as it will backfire. As i said if i play a pro-templar/anti-mage i don't want pro-mages or mages terrorists in my organization if i play as pro-mage i don't want pro-templars.

 

They did worst thing ever if we have enforced advisors 2 of 3 of them are pro-chantry which is killing point for anti-chantry characters.

 

If they wanted enforced advisors they should do them neutral not pro-chantry not pro-mage only pro-inquisition not matter what path it will follow.

 

Fanservice.. this comes always out. But in this sense Leliana, Morrigan, Varric, Cole, Cassandra.. everyone that isn't new is just fanservice? If bioware has them in the story cause they think they make sense and they want games to have continuity, I don't think any of the characters are fanservice. If they just purely want to please fans, well that's fanservice but I doubt they would have any character in the game just cause of that.

No but as other fanboys you love twist word of others that that doesn't make sense... Leliana and morrigan as well cassandra have a lot of sense being in that game because they are important figures in conflicts that we will deal.Who is Cullen no one and have no importance and he if far from competent person he was in 3 games in 3 different countries and meet 3 different protagonists he is no one and could be replaced by random templar.In fact da 2 had a lot of fanservice with cameos like alistair. He is enforced into plot just for squee. I don't see him as military leader if guy couldn't deal with most things in kirkwall and served in most corrupted circle in thedas and guy didn't even know that.

[thetinyevil]

So nobles, mages and all other factions except templars don't do these things?

Hmm...

It would be stupid to think that mages and nobles don't do these things. We know they do. We know that because of what Danarius said to Fenris, which was confirmed by the devs, and what happen in the City Elf Origin. I'm sure that mages in the circle also victimize each other and others in the Circle and outside it too.

[Chari]

I am fine with you hating Cullen even. I have no issue with someone not liking him. I have issue with people who say a group of people fangirling over something they don't understand or don't deem worthy of fangirling are rapid/something is wrong with them. Please continue to talk about what you don't like about Cullen but please don't stereotype a group of people simply because you don't agree with their interests/passion. People can get excited about a character with very little scenes and there is nothing wrong with that. Cullen is a very deep/compassionate character in some people's minds and just because you don't think that doesn't mean those people are weird or something is wrong.

Rabid? Seriously?! I'm talking about Cullen here, not his fans. I'd really like to know how fans are rabid because they like a character? Lawd. Ohhhhh Allaaaaannnnnnn

There is little sense and little logic in how some characters are popular despite having little depth or involvement in the story

Seriously, 1200+ pages of discussing a character who appeared about 5-6 times. It makes no logical sense

Reminds me of Twilight and Pewdiepie fans as well

[Eveangaline]

People have a right to hate any character and dislike any fangroup. If fans areallowed to voice their love, so haters are allowed to voice their dislik

you certainly have the right to hate a character, no one is saying you don't. But people have the right to point out how very, very stupid you sound when you whine about people because they like something you don't like.

 

And it's pretty stupid to act like Cullen fans are mad about you not liking cullen when you just admit that people are voicing their dislike for the fangroup. I mean why shouldn't they be mad when you come in and say bad things about them because they enjoy a character you don't enjoy? You're allowed to insult them for liking something but if they say you're obnoxious for insulting them personally they're over-reacting?

[Chari]

you certainly have the right to hate a character, no one is saying you don't. But people have the right to point out how very, very stupid you sound when you whine about people because they like something you don't like.

 

And it's pretty stupid to act like Cullen fans are mad about you not liking cullen when you just admit that people are voicing their dislike as the fangroup. I mean why shouldn't they be mad when you come in and say bad things about them because they enjoy a character you don't enjoy? You're allowed to insult them for liking something but if they say you're obnoxious for insulting them personally they're over-reacting?

I don't recall insulting anyone until people started being rude to me

Yes, there are rabid fangirls of Cullen. There are rabid fans of everything

If they were so reasonable and just as they claim to be, they would simply let people voice their surprise and dislike of Cullen and his popularity. Clearly, it's too much for some people to handle

[ilikesocks]

Oh Chari. Reported. You're too ignorant to argue with and it's not worth the warning points, doll. I'll let a mod take care of it and hope this thread gets shut down because it's disgusting.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Okay, one more post just to tie up loose ends then I'm done. 

 

They were already dead. Meredith sent for the ROA from Val Royeaux and considering what she likely put in her reports back to Val Royeaux she would have gotten it. Which means the mages where already just living on borrowed time. 

No, Meredith needed Elthina's permission, and Elthina kept refusing it. Then Anders killed Elthina, giving Meredith legal right to start it without approval. 

 

 

Don't forget rape and torture.

So rape and torture only happens in the Circles? I must have misunderstood that City Elf Origin then where either you/your bride, your cousin, and other elves are taken to be raped, and at least one is. 

 

 

I have lost count of the templars and Clergy say mages aren't people like Cullen. And they do say they are evil and that their magic is a curse few say it is also a gift. Yes it was a spit in the face of her family. They gave up so much for her but she threw it all back in their faces.

So you're pulling the number out of nowhere then? Just like all your other 'evidence'. Meanwhile I remember practically every Chantry member or Templar treating my mage Warden or Hawke with no ill feelings whatsoever. 

 

"Your magic is a gift, but it is also a curse." - Knight-Commander Greagoir. Though if you want to get technical, few say anything about it other than it is dangerous, which it is. 

 

Again, she gave herself to the Circle so her family can be free. What a terrible person she is for making that sacrifice. You can say Carver joining the Templars was a spit in the face to Hawke, but saying Bethany's choice was is an insult to her selflessness.

 

Now then, I'm gone. For real this time. 

[Eveangaline]

I don't recall insulting anyone until people started being rude to me

Yes, there are rabid fangirls of Cullen. There are rabid fans of everything

If they were so reasonable and just as they claim to be, they would simply let people voice their surprise and dislike of Cullen and his popularity. Clearly, it's too much for some people to handle

Except people have been allowed to voice their dislike of Cullen. Generally people don't complain until the people insulting cullen start talking about how bizzare and rabid the fangirls are and insulting the cullen fans.

 

No one cares if you dislike a character. But being all "stop having fun you guys" to the fans of said character is obviously going to get you some flack. Like, what bizzare system do you want where you get to say "Well cullen fans are crazy and annoying fangirls" but they can't say "Wow you're obnoxious why do you care what other fans like?". You want to insult people you should expect to be called a dick for it. I can fully understand if you want to be a dick but wanting to be a dick without having to actually be called a dick afterwards is just stupid. If you're going to be a dick stand by your dickishness.

[Chari]

Oh Chari. Reported. You're too ignorant to argue with and it's not worth the warning points, doll. I'll let a mod take care of it and hope this thread gets shut down because it's disgusting.

At least I'm not a hypocrite ;D

Thus you showed how "polite" and "kind" and "reasonable" some of Cullen fans are. Thank you very much