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[Panda]

There is little sense and little logic in how some characters are popular despite having little depth or involvement in the story

Seriously, 1200+ pages of discussing a character who appeared about 5-6 times. It makes no logical sense

Reminds me of Twilight and Pewdiepie fans as well

 

I think this goes too far. Although some character doesn't make sense attacking fans of the character you don't think make sense is just rude. I have always been fan of minor characters. I love making headcanons around them. Everyone can like what they want and they should be free to do so without someone downplaying them for it.

[thetinyevil]

No, Meredith needed Elthina's permission, and Elthina kept refusing it. Then Anders killed Elthina, giving Meredith legal right to start it without approval. 

 

Talk to Karras if you let him live. He tells you that Meredith sent to Val Royeaux for the ROA.

[kalasaurus]

So you're pulling the number out of nowhere then? Just like all your other 'evidence'. Meanwhile I remember practically every Chantry member or Templar treating my mage Warden or Hawke with no ill feelings whatsoever. 

 

That's probably because no Templar (except Meredith) possessed the ability to detect that mage!Hawke was a mage.

[Chari]

Except people have been allowed to voice their dislike of Cullen. Generally people don't complain until the people insulting cullen start talking about how bizzare and rabid the fangirls are and insulting the cullen fans.

 

No one cares if you dislike a character. But being all "stop having fun you guys" to the fans of said character is obviously going to get you some flack. Like, what bizzare system do you want where you get to say "Well cullen fans are crazy and annoying fangirls" but they can't say "Wow you're obnoxious why do you care what other fans like?". You want to insult people you should expect to be called a dick for it. I can fully understand if you want to be a dick but wanting to be a dick without having to actually be called a dick afterwards is just stupid. If you're going to be a dick stand by your dickishness.

Well, this is a anti-Cullen thread, it seems. So of course people should be allowed to discuss here their dislike of this character. I don't recall myself coming to pro-Cullen thread and showing my dislike there

I didn't insult anyone. Yes, I said there are some rabid fans, so what? That's the truth. There're rabid fans of Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Morrigan and Alistair, Anders and Sebastian etc. Some people lose their minds over video game characters as if they were real people, it seems. Saying the truth is not an insult, unless you prefer to ignore it

If you're not a rabid Cullen fan, then you have nothing to fear or feel insulted. If you're... well, then I was right all along?

[Ananka]

I don't recall insulting anyone until people started being rude to me

Yes, there are rabid fangirls of Cullen. There are rabid fans of everything

If they were so reasonable and just as they claim to be, they would simply let people voice their surprise and dislike of Cullen and his popularity. Clearly, it's too much for some people to handle

 

Buddy, your very first post in the thread started out with calling Cullen-fans rabid.

Nobody is preventing you from discussing your opinion of a character in a constructive way. But there are good ways and bad ways to express your opinion. Most of us don't care enough about your opinion to get riled up by the fact that you dislike Cullen. But being rude and calling people rabid isn't a very good way to start off a discussion.

 

This thread is a hate thread and a trolling attempt and should go.

[Chari]

I think this goes too far. Although some character doesn't make sense attacking fans of the character you don't think make sense is just rude. I have always been fan of minor characters. I love making headcanons around them. Everyone can like what they want and they should be free to do so without someone downplaying them for it.

There is canon and there is headcanon.

First > second, cause, well, it's not the fans who create the game and the characters. People should remember that their theories are but theories, otherwise meeting the actual canon will be real shocker

[Panda]

No but as other fanboys you love twist word of others that that doesn't make sense... Leliana and morrigan as well cassandra have a lot of sense being in that game because they are important figures in conflicts that we will deal.Who is Cullen no one and have no importance and he if far from competent person he was in 3 games in 3 different countries and meet 3 different protagonists he is no one and could be replaced by random templar.In fact da 2 had a lot of fanservice with cameos like alistair. He is enforced into plot just for squee. I don't see him as military leader if guy couldn't deal with most things in kirkwall and served in most corrupted circle in thedas and guy didn't even know that.

 

No I was thinking of what logic was after what you said. We don't know how Cullen got in the Inquisition yet, I bet Bioware has good backstory for it. To me Cullen in the game makes lot of sense because he is templar who has seen mage rebellion and beginning of red lyrium templars. We don't now where he stands in Inquisition but if he has stayed loyal to Chantry he could be promoted as Knight-Commander. Him being a Knight-Captain already makes him kinda important, he was left in the charge of Kirkwall's templars and circle after DA2. To me he makes sense in the game as much as many other characters.

[Chari]

Buddy, your very first post in the thread started out with calling Cullen-fans rabid.

Nobody is preventing you from discussing your opinion of a character in a constructive way. But there are good ways and bad ways to express your opinion. Most of us don't care enough about your opinion to get riled up by the fact that you dislike Cullen. But being rude and calling people rabid isn't a very good way to start off a discussion.

This thread is a hate thread and a trolling attempt and should go.

I didn't say all of them were. Some - yes. But c'est la vie, c'est la verite

Oh, sure. People saying they dislike Cullen are nothing but trolls, hmm...

[Eveangaline]

Well, this is a anti-Cullen thread, it seems. So of course people should be allowed to discuss here their dislike of this character. I don't recall myself coming to pro-Cullen thread and showing my dislike there

I didn't insult anyone. Yes, I said there are some rabid fans, so what? That's the truth. There're rabid fans of Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Morrigan and Alistair, Anders and Sebastian etc. Some people lose their minds over video game characters as if they were real people, it seems. Saying the truth is not an insult, unless you prefer to ignore it

If you're not a rabid Cullen fan, then you have nothing to fear or feel insulted. If you're... well, then I was right all along?

 

Well here's an example of you doing just that:

 

Too much meaningless noise. It's like listening to people fangirling over popgroups and vampire novels. Little sense, too much fangirling. I'd agree if Cullen was a deep and meaningful character, or controversial, but he's been literally in five-six scenes in both DA:O and DA2. Yet people create so many headcanons and lose their minds over fanfictions it's just sad

Well, one example is you guys. Someone starts saying they dislike Cullen and don't understand his popularity you jump on people

 

So the problem isn't that you're trying to insult people, it's that you literally do not know what an insult is? Or that you only recognize insults when they are directed at you and don't seem to actually notice what you're saying? Like I'm trying to understand the leaps in logic that make it ok for you to insult but the second someone calls you out on it you turn into an over defensive turtle. Is it just that you're obscenely thin skinned and can't take what you dish out? Are you 12 or just trolling? Like I legit am not sure if you have an actual problem realizing what you are saying or if you're just saying whatever you think will get a response for attention.

 

 

 

 

I didn't say all of them were. Some - yes. But c'est la vie, c'est la verite

Oh, sure. People saying they dislike Cullen are nothing but trolls, hmm...

 

A summery of what's been going on, for you to understand

You: Cullen fans are rabid

Others: Insulting fans for liking something is dumb

You: God you cullen fans are so sensitive just because I'm insulting cullen you go nuts

Others: We don't care if you insult cullen but you're not, you're insulting his fans

You: Oh so anyone who insults cullen is a troll?

[thetinyevil]

Disliking Cullen makes you a troll apparently. I really didn't know about the other anti-Cullen threads and I should have looked a little harder and not posted on the other one. But I did and it inspired me to create this one. 

[Panda]

There is canon and there is headcanon.

First > second, cause, well, it's not the fans who create the game and the characters. People should remember that their theories are but theories, otherwise meeting the actual canon will be real shocker

 

That doesn't make sense on what I said. I said that it's not okay to attack fans of liking something just cause you can't understand it, it's very rude and unnecessary.

 

Of cource I agree that canon goes ahead headcanon, but everyone enjoys games in their own way. I love continuing stories in my head and those are my headcanons. I always keep them to myself though so I don't see how that's problem to anyone, it just explains why I love many side characters. I haven't ever tried to declare my own headcanons as facts in the game. Theories are different since they have more actual standing, they are similar to scientific theories: explanations of something that people reasonable are going to explain, they are up to debate since none of theories, nor fans theories of the game nor evolution theories etc. are absolute truth.
 

[kalasaurus]

Disliking Cullen makes you a troll apparently. I really didn't know about the other anti-Cullen threads and I should have looked a little harder and not posted on the other one. But I did and it inspired me to create this one. 

 

I thought necroing threads was a crime against humanity or something, anyway.  Don't worry about it.

[Eveangaline]

Oh Chari. Reported. You're too ignorant to argue with and it's not worth the warning points, doll. I'll let a mod take care of it and hope this thread gets shut down because it's disgusting.

Yeeeaah honestly that's probably a good plan. Thread'll be locked by the morning.

 

Time to outie.

[BloodyTalon]

He stood up to her way to damn late. How many mages did he cut down, how many children did he cut down? Also good men don't say that one group of people are not people but living weapons to be used and disposed off. Also he said that templars have divine right over mages. They own mages.

You did pick up the parts where he was still suffering from PTSD from what happen years eariler and he clearly is driven by what happen in the circle of magi in the country origins takes place in. Up till that point he was suffering and being used by the knight commander, what better to have has your right hand then someone who sees blood mages everywhere also due to past events makes things easier.

[Ananka]

I didn't say all of them were. Some - yes. But c'est la vie, c'est la verite

Oh, sure. People saying they dislike Cullen are nothing but trolls, hmm...

 

Oh yes, "some". Where is that some in that post?

Don't give me the "people saying they dislike Cullen are nothing but trolls". If you were interested in a rational discussion, you wouldn't have started it out with an insult.

But hey, if you want to tell yourself that you were trying to have a reasonable and calm discussion, be my guest. 

Have a nice night

[Panda]

Disliking Cullen makes you a troll apparently. I really didn't know about the other anti-Cullen threads and I should have looked a little harder and not posted on the other one. But I did and it inspired me to create this one. 

 

No but you have said you want to learn more of character so you could like him.. in the other hand you have also said you want to dislike him and know who dislikes him too. So what is it that you actually want to do with this thread? Talk about character with those who dislike him or know why some people like character and try to understand them?

 

I'm fully open with discussion about the character but I not people getting mad for you pointing out what has actually happened in the game and what not, I want people to point out those for me too and discuss about them. I'm all for civilized discussion ^^;

[Lorien19]

I don't recall insulting anyone until people started being rude to me

Yes, there are rabid fangirls of Cullen. There are rabid fans of everything

If they were so reasonable and just as they claim to be, they would simply let people voice their surprise and dislike of Cullen and his popularity. Clearly, it's too much for some people to handle

You call a bunch of people you know nothing about, who simply happen to like a character  rabid fangirls,while on the same time you are the one complaining about Them in the most venomous way...Please don't make me laugh!

Seriously it's not even about Cullen at this point,feel free to hate him and spread inaccuracies about his role in the game,even if you have to contradict the devs in the process, just leave the people who like him out of this.

[thetinyevil]

I hate Cullen he is a bigoted jerk, but I will give him a chance to see if he changed and if not well he better be damn good at his job or I'm kicking his ass out.

[Isaidlunch]

Cullen was the only character who I could sympathize with and didn't want to strangle in the mage/templar plot in DA2. I love a good hate thread, but I honestly can't bring myself to say anything bad about him.

 

I suppose him shrugging off the warning about Anders made him look pretty incompetent, especially if you brought Anders along with you.

[kalasaurus]

I hate Cullen he is a bigoted jerk, but I will give him a chance to see if he changed and if not well he better be damn good at his job or I'm kicking his ass out.

 

That's assuming, of course, if we'll even have the ability to kick out advisers in DA: I...

 

I suppose him shrugging off the warning about Anders made him look pretty incompetent, especially if you brought Anders along with you.

 

That scene certainly was... something.

[Chari]

You call a bunch of people you know nothing about, who simply happen to like a character a rabid fangirls,while on the same time you are the one complaining about Them in the most venomous way...Please don't make me laugh!

Seriously it's not even about Cullen at this point,feel free to hate him and spread inaccuracies about his role in the game,even if you have to contradict the devs in the process, just leave the people who like him out of this.

So what? There are no rabid fangirls of Cullen, you think? How sweet and innocent of you

I never said anything about his role in the game. I can see him being a NPC, but LI seems too forced

 

Well here's an example of you doing just that:

 

So the problem isn't that you're trying to insult people, it's that you literally do not know what an insult is? Or that you only recognize insults when they are directed at you and don't seem to actually notice what you're saying? Like I'm trying to understand the leaps in logic that make it ok for you to insult but the second someone calls you out on it you turn into an over defensive turtle. Is it just that you're obscenely thin skinned and can't take what you dish out? Are you 12 or just trolling? Like I legit am not sure if you have an actual problem realizing what you are saying or if you're just saying whatever you think will get a response for attention.

 

A summery of what's been going on, for you to understand

You: Cullen fans are rabid

Others: Insulting fans for liking something is dumb

You: God you cullen fans are so sensitive just because I'm insulting cullen you go nuts

Others: We don't care if you insult cullen but you're not, you're insulting his fans

You: Oh so anyone who insults cullen is a troll?

Did I use any pejoratives or pejorative adjectives? No. Rabid as far as I know is quite neutral semantically

So, no direct insults, just some pondering on his weird popularity

 

Oh yes, "some". Where is that some in that post?

Don't give me the "people saying they dislike Cullen are nothing but trolls". If you were interested in a rational discussion, you wouldn't have started it out with an insult.

But hey, if you want to tell yourself that you were trying to have a reasonable and calm discussion, be my guest. 

Have a nice night

Where's all or every in that post ;D?

Welp, you ain't acting much better than I do, it seems

[Todd23]

Okay, one more post just to tie up loose ends then I'm done.

No, Meredith needed Elthina's permission, and Elthina kept refusing it. Then Anders killed Elthina, giving Meredith legal right to start it without approval.

You need to talk to NPCs next time you play the game. One templar explicitly states that Meredith sent for the right of annulment. Elthina isn't the only person with the authority to grant the right.

So rape and torture only happens in the Circles? I must have misunderstood that City Elf Origin then where either you/your bride, your cousin, and other elves are taken to be raped, and at least one is.

And that makes it okay?

So you're pulling the number out of nowhere then? Just like all your other 'evidence'. Meanwhile I remember practically every Chantry member or Templar treating my mage Warden or Hawke with no ill feelings whatsoever.

Lack of showing any noticeable difference between different types of characters is better evidence then what characters in game actually say and do? No one minded you being a blood mage in da2. Does that mean that all those templars approve of blood mages?

[thetinyevil]

You did pick up the parts where he was still suffering from PTSD from what happen years eariler and he clearly is driven by what happen in the circle of magi in the country origins takes place in. Up till that point he was suffering and being used by the knight commander, what better to have has your right hand then someone who sees blood mages everywhere also due to past events makes things easier.

I know what happened to him and that he suffers from PTSD. So do I but I don't go around calling every man evil rapist waiting to happen. 

[Lorien19]

So what? There are no rabid fangirls of Cullen, you think? How sweet and innocent of you

I never said anything about his role in the game. I can see him being a NPC, but LI seems too forced

 

Your sarcasm does you no credit,here are rabid fangirls/boys(because assuming that they're only female is mildly sexist) everywhere for every  character in every  fandom,but you took it a step further by calling every single individual who likes him "a rabid fangirl in your initial post...

As far as his role is concerned I wasn't referring to you specifically.

Anyway,as I said hate him all you want ,for all I care I find him rather interesting and I'm glad he's back in Inquisition,so there's nothing really nothing to discuss further...
 

[thetinyevil]

That's assuming, of course, if we'll even have the ability to kick out advisers in DA: I...

 

Maybe you'll have the 

opportunity

 to argue with him, at least.  Give him a piece of your mind and tell him off  

That scene certainly was... something.

If we can't kick him out I really do hope that we can tell him off, a lot

 

The Devs said that they had to cut a lot of Content for the game because it was so rushed and it made Cullen out to be really incompetent so they decided that was their go to answers.