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[Chari]

Your sarcasm does you no credit,here are rabid fangirls/boys(because assuming that they're only female is mildly sexist) everywhere for every  character in every  fandom,but you took it a step further by calling every single individual who likes him "a rabid fangirl in your initial post...

As far as his role is concerned I wasn't referring to you specifically.

Anyway,as I said hate him all you want ,for all I care I find him rather interesting and I'm glad he's back in Inquisition,so there's nothing really nothing to discuss further...
 

I never said every fan of his was rabid. Lack of an article and appropriate adjective or pronoun makes that sentence in my post rather vague, as it is supposed to be

Granted you can imagine anything you want

[Char]

I personally find that characters who inspire such divided opinions to have been very well-written. It all depends on your perspective.

I expect to have different opinions from the other people on this thread, and on any thread, but I am a little concerned that this thread is not just about a dislike of a character, but of the fans of that character.

Please remember that internet or no, there are real people behind these usernames and it costs nothing to be respectful of that. There are many things on this forum I neither understand, nor relate to, but I try to look past that because we have a shared interest that is overall more important- the Dragon Age franchise.

By all means continue to post your questions and opinions, I'm interested in reading them. I'm just adding my two pence, for what it's worth.

[Ashelsu]

I suppose him shrugging off the warning about Anders made him look pretty incompetent, especially if you brought Anders along with you.

Ander's plot armor conquers all. No matter how stupid it made other people look. They could at least arrest him and make him escape again before the Big Boom.

One other point against Cullen, I don't understand his behavior in pro-mage run. So Hawke just stays here, covered in blood of all the Templars he killed, and Cullen springs to defend him, why? Isn't his duty to protect Kirkwall from dangerous apostates?

As for Cullen being LI, I'm not thrilled about him being one of the two options for straight Ladies. He is like Dragon Age Jacob for me. But as long as PC doesn't talk to him like she is in heat and there is no force flirting I think I'll survive.

Also there is nothing wrong discussing Cullen and admitting your dislike or hate for him, but discussing Cullen's fans is pointless and unpolite. They are real people, unlike him.

[thetinyevil]

Can we just stick to Cullen and the game. This isn't about attacking fans for which ever side of the fence the stand on it is about the Cullen and if people like or dislike him.

[Char]

Can we just stick to Cullen and the game. This isn't about attacking fans for which ever side of the fence the stand on it is about the Cullen and if people like or dislike him.

I like Cullen. I like the fact that his character has been developing in the background, and the way he always seemed to be an ordinary man caught up in something bigger. I think returning characters give a sense of comfort and continuity to the series. I do think that the people who dislike him have valid points, and I appreciate that for those people, knowing he will have a large role in inquisition is probably quite annoying. That being said, I personally want to see how they continue his character development, and looking forwards to interacting with him, learning the rationale behind his past decisions and future choices- just as I will with all the characters

[Lorien19]

I never said every fan of his was rabid. Lack of an article and appropriate adjective or pronoun makes that sentence in my post rather vague, as it is supposed to be

Granted you can imagine anything you want

Well,you admit it yourself that your initial post is not what it supposed to be because that sentece it's vague by itself...I'd suggest you'd be more specific the next time you accuse someone of imagining things.   
 

Anyway Let's just end this conversation before a mod or a dev does so, feel free to express any form of dislike for this character to what extent you like,as long as you leave his fans out of it.

[Todd23]

I for one don't like Cullen and he has been on the very top of my want to kill list since origins. That being said, with how many people like him and want to romance him, even if it's for the most part because of head canon or fanfic, I think the fact that they'll get the chance (at least the girls will) in dai is a good thing; I just hope it doesn't get in the way of me hopefully being able to kill him at some point.

[thetinyevil]

I like Cullen. I like the fact that his character has been developing in the background, and the way he always seemed to be an ordinary man caught up in something bigger. I think returning characters give a sense of comfort and continuity to the series. I do think that the people who dislike him have valid points, and I appreciate that for those people, knowing he will have a large role in inquisition is probably quite annoying. That being said, I personally want to see how they continue his character development, and looking forwards to interacting with him, learning the rationale behind his past decisions and future choices- just as I will with all the characters

I didn't really dislike him in Origins, found him kinda creepy, but didn't dislike him but I understood why he said what he did. But by two telling me that either Hawke and/or members of her family were not really people. That pissed me off. And as the story goes on he continues with his mage hate I grew to dislike him more and more.

 

I really do hope in the next game we get to confront him about what he allowed to happen in the Gallows. After all he was Knight-Captain and he should have at least tried to stop some of the abuses.

[Panda]

Ander's plot armor conquers all. No matter how stupid it made other people look. They could at least arrest him and make him escape again before the Big Boom.

One other point against Cullen, I don't understand his behavior in pro-mage run. So Hawke just stays here, covered in blood of all the Templars he killed, and Cullen springs to defend him, why? Isn't his duty to protect Kirkwall from dangerous apostates?

As for Cullen being LI, I'm not thrilled about him being one of the two options for straight Ladies. He is like Dragon Age Jacob for me. But as long as PC doesn't talk to him like she is in heat and there is no force flirting I think I'll survive.

Also there is nothing wrong discussing Cullen and admitting your dislike or hate for him, but discussing Cullen's fans is pointless and unpolite. They are real people, unlike him.

 

Yep. I think Cullen's obliviousness makes a nice humour element in the game but I think it was just mistake in BW's part.

 

That's solid point about the end, I haven't done full pro-mage character so I haven't thought about it. Cullen at least respected champion a lot and didn't wantto execute him/her. I think in mage playthrough he let champion to go because he didn't have enough men to go against champion and he thought there has been enough bloodshed already. However you could have dangerous anti-chantry anti-templar pro-mage bloodmage Hawke as well.. and in that sense it'd have made sense for Cullen not let Hawke like that go.

[Chari]

Well,you admit it yourself that your initial post is not what it supposed to be because that sentece it's vague by itself...I'd suggest you'd be more specific the next time you accuse someone of imagining things.   
 

Anyway Let's just end this conversation before a mod or a dev does so, feel free to express any form of dislike for this character to what extent you like,as long as you leave his fans out of it.

Well, i am not responsible for other people's imaginations What they see is not always the truth

 

Nah. Cullen is one of the most boring characters in the whole Thedas IMHO. I don't hate or like him, and that's the problem. Him being a LI is a waste when we could have someone more spicy, more colourful, more interesting and unusual. I've seen his story in DA:O and DA2 and unless he has some terrible secret like drinking dragon blood and swimming naked with ghoules I don't think he'll ever be worth it

As for his fans, I won't change my opinion or attitude unless they do as well. Some character being too popular or too hated is a bad thing. The balance has to be kept

[Char]

I didn't really dislike him in Origins, found him kinda creepy, but didn't dislike him but I understood why he said what he did. But by two telling me that either Hawke and/or members of her family were not really people. That pissed me off. And as the story goes on he continues with his mage hate I grew to dislike him more and more.
 
I really do hope in the next game we get to confront him about what he allowed to happen in the Gallows. After all he was Knight-Captain and he should have at least tried to stop some of the abuses.

I was a bit annoyed at that with my mage Hawke, but I do take two points into account there- one that the reactive dialogue for a mage Hawke was cut, so that "mages aren't people like you and I" became standard for all three classes, and also that the "like you and I" bit is crucial. He's not saying mages aren't people, just that they are very different to ordinary humans. I tend to presume that is due to the power they wield. I can't give an exact source, so I accept I may be wrong but I think I remember a dev quote saying that we can really underestimate the danger of blood mages in particular.

As to confronting him about it? I think that would be a good idea. It would be nice to see his perspective, find out what was happening behind the scenes that meant he couldn't or wouldn't interfere

[Little Princess Peach]

can you please get into more detail on why you dislike him?

[thetinyevil]

I was a bit annoyed at that with my mage Hawke, but I do take two points into account there- one that the reactive dialogue for a mage Hawke was cut, so that "mages aren't people like you and I" became standard for all three classes, and also that the "like you and I" bit is crucial. He's not saying mages aren't people, just that they are very different to ordinary humans. I tend to presume that is due to the power they wield. I can't give an exact source, so I accept I may be wrong but I think I remember a dev quote saying that we can really underestimate the danger of blood mages in particular.

As to confronting him about it? I think that would be a good idea. It would be nice to see his perspective, find out what was happening behind the scenes that meant he couldn't or wouldn't interfere

 

 

"Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me. They are weapons. They have the power to light a city on fire in a fit of pique."

This is exact words. Yes mages are dangerous and can do untold damage  but to call them nothing more then weapons, less the human is wrong. That is why I don't like him. He also said that templars own mages by divine right. That is not exactly what he said but that is what he meant Or at least how I understood it.

 

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[Lorien19]

 

As to confronting him about it? I think that would be a good idea. It would be nice to see his perspective, find out what was happening behind the scenes that meant he couldn't or wouldn't interfere

I'd like this to happen at some point,as well.

[Char]

"Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me. They are weapons. They have the power to light a city on fire in a fit of pique."
This is exact words. Yes mages are dangerous and can do untold damage  but to call them nothing more then weapons, less the human is wrong. That is why I don't like him. He also said that templars own mages by divine right. That is not exactly what he said but that is what he meant Or at least how I understood it.
 
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I always play either as a mage, or a pro-mage character and yet I inherently agree with him to an extent. "With great power comes great responsibility" is a cliche, but it is so right in these corcumstances. A badly trained, unstable, or sociopathic mage can cause far more damage than an ordinary human. For that reason it is imperative that a system is in place to make sure mages are properly trained, and in situations where damage control can be put in place as fast as possible (templars dampening abilities)

Is the current system flawed? Absolutely. Is there too much control? Absolutely. Are mages being dehumanised as a result? Absolutely. But that requires a change in the system and a moral implementation which we as an inquisitor can hopefully achieve.
In a perfect world, the circle would be a place of refuge and study, where young mages could be sent to learn to control themselves and their abilities. Like a boarding school. With an even distribution of templars adult mages could then live normal lives ourside the circle if they chose.

[Exaltation]

He's not such a big deal lol,he was useless in both games,except maybe by the end of DA2.

Hope in DAI he have a better role.

[Panda]

"Mages cannot be treated like people. They are not like you and me. They are weapons. They have the power to light a city on fire in a fit of pique."

This is exact words. Yes mages are dangerous and can do untold damage  but to call them nothing more then weapons, less the human is wrong. That is why I don't like him. He also said that templars own mages by divine right. That is not exactly what he said but that is what he meant Or at least how I understood it.

 

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This can be seen different though as well. He surely is saying that mages are dangerous but in my opinion he isn't thinking mages only as weapons, I think he means they can't be seen humans in similar sense as people without magic since they are more dangerous than them. Well that's how I took his intentions.

[thetinyevil]

I always play either as a mage, or a pro-mage character and yet I inherently agree with him to an extent. "With great power comes great responsibility" is a cliche, but it is so right in these corcumstances. A badly trained, unstable, or sociopathic mage can cause far more damage than an ordinary human. For that reason it is imperative that a system is in place to make sure mages are properly trained, and in situations where damage control can be put in place as fast as possible (templars dampening abilities)

Is the current system flawed? Absolutely. Is there too much control? Absolutely. Are mages being dehumanised as a result? Absolutely. But that requires a change in the system and a moral implementation which we as an inquisitor can hopefully achieve.
In a perfect world, the circle would be a place of refuge and study, where young mages could be sent to learn to control themselves and their abilities. Like a boarding school. With an even distribution of templars adult mages could then live normal lives ourside the circle if they chose.

I always play as pro-mage too, tried pro-templar once and I just felt dirty. And yes mages are powerful and with that power comes the responsibility  to use it. But the current system doesn't allow for mages to learn that responsibility since they are treated like children. It is also horrible. 

 

The Circle needs to be a reformed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Is the current system flawed? Absolutely. Is there too much control? Absolutely. Are mages being dehumanised as a result? Absolutely. But that requires a change in the system and a moral implementation which we as an inquisitor can hopefully achieve.
In a perfect world, the circle would be a place of refuge and study, where young mages could be sent to learn to control themselves and their abilities. Like a boarding school. With an even distribution of templars adult mages could then live normal lives ourside the circle if they chose.

LoL if circles proves something it is there is definitely that circles provide very little control over mages even qunari who use extremely scrict system for mages still can't entirely control them and one of their mages almost send army of demons to kill everyone in the world.With all those abomnations , insane , power hungry mages or just destructive proves that circle provides little saftey when it comes to magic.System isn't flawed because it is takes mages freedom or templars have to much control.System is flawed because they have little control over mages moral solutions may be nice but in that case ineffective.I don't belive any system can control mages and if can definitely it will be far from nice thats why safest option is to kill mages.  

[thetinyevil]

This can be seen different though as well. He surely is saying that mages are dangerous but in my opinion he isn't thinking mages only as weapons, I think he means they can't be seen humans in similar sense as people without magic since they are more dangerous than them. Well that's how I took his intentions.

Actually I think he did mean that he sees them as nothing more then weapons. I mean he talks about making them tranquil like it isn't a big deal and it is. We both see him very differently.

[AkiKishi]

I don't care about him one way or the other. I do wonder why he gets to be an advisor when there are far more experienced and worthy candidates around. But I also wonder what makes the PC special in that regard too.

[Panda]

Actually I think he did mean that he sees them as nothing more then weapons. I mean he talks about making them tranquil like it isn't a big deal and it is. We both see him very differently.

 

Yup we do ^^ Well I'm against his views of tranquility, especially if it's forced on someone. If someone wants to be tranquil cause they can't live with fear of demons etc. I think it's good option but it should be fully revealed then so person knows what they are going to do him/her and if he/she really wants that. I'd like to question him more of that and other templar vs mages related things in the DAI

[Ashelsu]

Yep. I think Cullen's obliviousness makes a nice humour element in the game but I think it was just mistake in BW's part.

 

That's solid point about the end, I haven't done full pro-mage character so I haven't thought about it. Cullen at least respected champion a lot and didn't wantto execute him/her. I think in mage playthrough he let champion to go because he didn't have enough men to go against champion and he thought there has been enough bloodshed already. However you could have dangerous anti-chantry anti-templar pro-mage bloodmage Hawke as well.. and in that sense it'd have made sense for Cullen not let Hawke like that go.

I thought the reason for Orsino's freakout in pro-mage ending was that the Templars were winning, despite Hawke's support?

My only pro-mage run was with the sociopath crazy blood mage Hawke (All those crazy mages in Kirkwall? He was even crazier). Every time there was an option to insult Templars and praise Mages before Cullen's eyes he used it. He was as antichantry as it can be. He was dangerous. And still Cullen let him go.

Cullen and Orsino's behavior in pro-mage ending doesn't make sense. Meredith's behavior in pro-templar ending doesn't make sense (well, the idol did it). Ugh.

[thetinyevil]

I don't care about him one way or the other. I do wonder why he gets to be an advisor when there are far more experienced and worthy candidates around. But I also wonder what makes the PC special in that regard too.

Maybe because of his rank as a templar or maybe it has to do with the fact he was a templar. He would know how they think and move and how the Inquisitor could try and get them to back down.

[thetinyevil]

I thought the reason for Orsino's freakout in pro-mage ending was that the Templars were winning, despite Hawke's support?

My only pro-mage run was with the sociopath crazy blood mage Hawke (All those crazy mages in Kirkwall? He was even crazier). Every time there was an option to insult Templars and praise Mages before Cullen's eyes he used it. He was as antichantry as it can be. He was dangerous. And still Cullen let him go.

Cullen and Orsino's behavior in pro-mage ending doesn't make sense. Meredith's behavior in pro-templar ending doesn't make sense (well, the idol did it). Ugh.

Orsino was because they wanted to have another boss fight and Cullen was because they had to cute content for time.