7 actually, but 4 were during the Qunari invasion if I recall correctly.
Well, can't really blame the for the ones during the Qunari invasion, and the Tevinter march is the one that founded the religion in the first place, and not one we can really get angry about either. The Tevinters were/are not exactly nice people.
That leaves the Dalish march and perhaps the third one as being the only really questionable marches ever called.
The march against the Dales was also in defense, since the Dalish armies were carving a path of destruction through Orlais. And the third one was to reclaim the Free Marches from Tevinter.
All the Exalted Marches were not actions but reactions.
You could make a case that the Chantry's Exalted Marches against the Imperium in the Black and Exalted Ages were aggressive rather than defensive in nature but even they were a reaction to the Tevinter Chantry naming it's own Divine and declaring itself independent of the Orlesian Chantry.
7 actually, but 4 were during the Qunari invasion if I recall correctly.
Actually there were four exalted marches against Tevinter, and each one repelled by Tevinter. Then there was an Exalted March against the Dales, Northern Rivain and the largest one, uniting all of Thedas, against the Qunari.
Weren't the one in Rivain technically against the Qunari aswell?
As I recall it, it goes
Dales.
Tevinter
Starkhaven(/Tevinter)
Tevinter
Qunari
Qunari
Qunari
World of Thedas's page on the Chantry's Exalted Marches says it was:
Dales
Tevinter occupied Starkhaven
Tevinter
Tevinter
Tevinter
Tevinter
Qunari
Qunari
Qunari
Also, didn't the Chantry stop the exterimation of the elves? Not to say they're in a great place, but they could be worse off.
Also, didn't the Chantry stop the exterimation of the elves? Not to say they're in a great place, but they could be worse off.
So to speak. They decreed that all nations should open their cities for the Elves. They didn't however specify in what manner, so no city ever supplied more than slums, and racism was allowed to flourish. But yes, had the Chantry NOT done what it did, the Elves would probably have been massacered.
There was no mention of any desire to exterminate the elves by anyone during the Exalted March of the Dales.
Also, didn't the Chantry stop the exterimation of the elves? Not to say they're in a great place, but they could be worse off.
After forcing said elves to either forsake their culture and live in the slums of human cities or become outlaws for the crime of not conforming to the Chantry.
Also considering that Dalish clans are in constant danger of being hunted and wiped out while Alienage Elves are constantly at the mercy of their human rulers (refer to Denerem and Halamshiral), a swift extermination was merely traded for a slow, deliberate and painful one where elves are second-class citizens.
And the Chantry condones this.
Considering How first elven empire was there were probably good reasons why chantry banned their culture.I wouldn't be suprised if that was second (or rather third) thalmor.
The Darkspawn kill elves like they do everything else. Why didn't they help?
Because the Dalish are arrogant cowards.
Because the Dalish are arrogant cowards.
That's racist.
I heard one reason the Exalted March against the Dales occurred due to the elves not aiding during the Second Blight. This makes no sense. The Darkspawn are a threat to all beings. The Darkspawn kill elves like they do everything else. Why didn't they help?
Maybe the Dales figured that they couldn't afford to send aid without leaving their own borders vulnerable to either the darkspawn or a possible sneak attack by Orlais. Perhaps it was too late for Montsimmard by the time that elven forces arrived and the Dales decided to focus on protecting themselves.
Ultimately, it doesn't sound too different from when Orlais choose not to aid Ferelden against the Blight during the latter's civil war. It simply wasn't worth it to throw away portions of your army on a lost cause.
There were no "Dalish" during the Second Blight. There was only the elves of the Dales. City Elves and Dalish Elves are all descended from the Dales.
I expect the reason the Dalish refused to help human nations during the Second Blight is the same reason that many human nations don't help other human nations during Blights. At the end of the day they were for one reason or another unwilling to risk their own forces to help people who weren't them. It's not uncommon. Usually the Grey Wardens have to press the issue to get them to commit anything (sometimes even that doesn't work) and I doubt that the Dales had a treaty with the Wardens.
Whilst I have always felt that the Exalted March was a convenient excuse for Orlais to take over a strategically important area and that the elves were shabbily treated in being herded into the alienages and thereafter treated as second class citizens, I have to admit that the elves of the Dales were no saints. In the Dalish Origin, when recounting what happened in the immediate aftermath of the Exalted March, the lore keeper says that when they crossed the Frostback Mountains they immediately slaughtered the human clans they encountered because "humans can't be trusted". This seems as prejudiced a view as humans hold against elves, but could account for why humans are so suspicious of the Dalish. After all, the barbarians on the other side of the mountains had had nothing to do with the Exalted March and might have even been sympathetic to victims of Orlesian expansionist tactics, but apparently the elves didn't even give them the chance. So I think that neither side can claim the moral high ground over that period of history.
Maybe the Dales figured that they couldn't afford to send aid without leaving their own borders vulnerable to either the darkspawn or a possible sneak attack by Orlais. Perhaps it was too late for Montsimmard by the time that elven forces arrived and the Dales decided to focus on protecting themselves.
Ultimately, it doesn't sound too different from when Orlais choose not to aid Ferelden against the Blight during the latter's civil war. It simply wasn't worth it to throw away portions of your army on a lost cause.
Orlais didn't "choose" not to aid Ferelden. The Fereldans turned away the Orlesian help.
The Dalish on the other hand never even offered to help. Not even ONCE during the Second Blight. Orlais on the other hand was busy saving the world from the Darkspawn.
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