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[Dalakaar]

That's a stupid thing to imply. None of them are hard, they can all be constructed to cater to anybody's preferred method of play and compensate for poor game habits.

To me this says one of two things.
A: All things are easy to you in which case, good on you, you're awesome.
B; You might have played a lot but you haven't actually experimented with some of the more esoteric kit builds and clearly lack the imagination/intuitiveness to grasp the question the I'm asking to it's fullest.

 

Either way, interesting response.

[Moby]

To me this says one of two things.
A: All things are easy to you in which case, good on you, you're awesome.
B; You might have played a lot but you haven't actually experimented with some of the more esoteric kit builds and clearly lack the imagination/intuitiveness to grasp the question the I'm asking to it's fullest.
 
Either way, interesting response.

ROFLMFAO

I haven't experimented... really. Do go on.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

That's a stupid thing to imply. None of them are hard, they can all be constructed to cater to anybody's preferred method of play and compensate for poor game habits.

 

You don't think it's possible to find it easier to play some kits than others?

[Dalakaar]

ROFLMFAO

I haven't experimented... really. Do go on.

 

I'll go on then.

 

You don't think it's possible to find it easier to play some kits than others?

 

This.
 

*edit to include.

Lack of imagination does not preclude lack of experience.

[Moby]

You don't think it's possible to find it easier to play some kits than others?

It's more difficult playing certain characters in certain ways than others.
playstyle =/= character

I'm going to bed now DK's last response put a huge smile on my face.

Lack of imagination does not preclude lack of experience.

again, lol

[Dalakaar]

Seriously though Moby. I'm drawing towards the sarcastic and that isn't the intent of the questio; but what you're presupposing is that a Harrier X wielding TGI with Incendiary IV is as easy to play as a shuriken wielding 0 power volus. To put simply, of course I disagree, that's the basis of the post, and question, I am posing.

[ajma420]

I think Moby is trying to say that any kit you find hard to use, can still be adapted to fit your play style. Take for example the krolord I mentioned earlier in this topic. I could pretty easily solve my problems by making it into a tank-weapon platform and seldom melee. put 6 in fitness and strap on an adrenaline mod and you got something between a juggernaut and a KroSol. I took a character I didn't like and fixed it up to make it playable for me, and therefore neutralized the difficulty in playing it.

[Moby]

"In your opinion, what is the hardest kit to play?"

Nowhere did you mention anything about particular specs or weapons, so you can f*ck off with that nonsense. Anybody playing a 0 character with a Shuriken is either challenging themselves or just an idiot, either way they're not "playing the character" as the characters are defined by their innate abilities and available powers.

once again, lol

[Caineghis2500]

You don't think it's possible to find it easier to play some kits than others?

It depends on how well the player can adapt to any given kits strengths and weaknesses

[Mindlog]

At an irresponsible hour I will be pugging a Volus Vanguard blasting the bass boosted version of TURN DOWN FOR WHAT at full volume. We'll see how it goes.

[Dalakaar]

I think Moby is trying to say that any kit you find hard to use, can still be adapted to fit your play style. Take for example the krolord I mentioned earlier in this topic. I could pretty easily solve my problems by making it into a tank-weapon platform and seldom melee. put 6 in fitness and strap on an adrenaline mod and you got something between a juggernaut and a KroSol. I took a character I didn't like and fixed it up to make it playable for me, and therefore neutralized the difficulty in playing it.

Ahh, you're at the crux of what I'm getting at actually; the esoteric virtue of what I'm asking, in essence. To me, I'd still find that *harder* to use, than say, a Paladin, my favourite Kit all round. It's what I'm implying by saying the Volus Sentinel is a "kneejerk" reaction although I can see how that'd be misconstrued.

 

It's one of the reasons I left this question "subjective" and actually do honestly find Moby's answer an "interesting response" regardless of whether I agree with it. (Actually precisely because I *don't* agree with it. I like those answers. Makes me think.)

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

It depends on how well the player can adapt to any given kits strengths and weaknesses

 

And after you've adapted to each kit's strengths and weaknesses, and found the optimal way to play each one, you still think it's impossible for some to be easier to play than others?

[Melee or Die]

The Genophage is strong here.

[megabeast37215]

None of them a hard to play. If you suck with a kit.. just put a Particle Rifle/Harrier/Hurricane/Talon/Claymore/Typhoon/Wraith on it and it now magically kicks ass.

[Dalakaar]

At an irresponsible hour I will be pugging a Volus Vanguard blasting the bass boosted version of TURN DOWN FOR WHAT at full volume. We'll see how it goes.

Nice. Me likee! Adding it to the playlist. I've been listening to Cryptex-Slay It, Kraddy-Heart Anthem (Cryptex Remix), Infected Mushroom-The Pretender, Dj Champion- So Big, The Glitch Mob-Fortune Days. while I play.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

None of them a hard to play. If you suck with a kit.. just put a Particle Rifle/Harrier/Hurricane/Talon/Claymore/Typhoon/Wraith on it and it now magically kicks ass.

 

I may be wrong about this, but I don't think anyone has said any of the kits are hard to play. I don't think it's ridiculous to imply that there can be degrees of difficulty (no matter how minute) associated with playing each kit. It also can't be ignored that not everyone is adept at playing every available kit.

[Dalakaar]

I may be wrong about this, but I don't think anyone has said any of the kits are hard to play. I don't think it's ridiculous to imply that there can be degrees of difficulty (no matter how minute) associated with playing each kit. It also can't be ignored that not everyone is adept at playing every available kit.

You really do get what I'm asking. (Not sarcastically.)

 

A new player would probably say how easy it is to play a Geth Juggernaut. You just queue Rio-Reapers and sit in the box with a Volus spamming Shield Regen.

 

Which is exactly the type of answer I'm *not* looking for. BSN on the other hand, well, I'm expected the members to not only grasp, but DELVE into the minutiae! I'm not asking "What's a hard kit to play" I'm asking "What's the Hardest". Not implying it's hard, but more difficult than... a GI-javelin X for instance.

[Caineghis2500]

And after you've adapted to each kit's strengths and weaknesses, and found the optimal way to play each one, you still think it's impossible for some to be easier to play than others?

That would entirely be up to the players playstyle. Adapting to a particular kit would mean changing your playstyle a bit which may be uncomfortable for most players. It's not that some kits are harder to play than others. It's really people not willing to step out of their playstyle comfort zone to accommodate a different kit. That's wats hard IMO

[Dalakaar]

That would entirely be up to the players playstyle. Adapting to a particular kit would mean changing your playstyle a bit which may be uncomfortable for most players. It's not if the kit that's hard to master. It's really people not willing to step out of their playstyle comfort zone to accommodate a different kit. That's wats hard IMO

Interesting take on it.

I envision a single kit epotimizing a player's playstyle specifically. Thus, any other kit would be more difficult?

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Regardless, good night BSN. =)

[Argent Xero]

That's a stupid thing to imply. None of them are hard, they can all be constructed to cater to anybody's preferred method of play and compensate for poor game habits.

This, but some take more finesse to play than others.

[Caineghis2500]

The more versatile you are in playstyles then the more kits you will excel with

Just my 2cents

[Creator Limbs]

At an irresponsible hour I will be pugging a Volus Vanguard blasting the bass boosted version of TURN DOWN FOR WHAT at full volume. We'll see how it goes.

I do this with the human adept. Much funner.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

That would entirely be up to the players playstyle. Adapting to a particular kit would mean changing your playstyle a bit which may be uncomfortable for most players. It's not that some kits are harder to play than others. It's really people not willing to step out of their playstyle comfort zone to accommodate a different kit. That's wats hard IMO

 

You don't think it's easier for example to play a TGI+Harrier (high survivability + damage output) than whatever your optimal spec is for a Vorcha Hunter (as an example)?

 

The more versatile you are in playstyles then the more kits you will excel with

Just my 2cents

 

This isn't about excelling or verastility. It's about admitting that there can be varying degrees of difficulty with playing each kit. I think this is where the confusion in our arguments lies.

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Going back to the point I made earlier...It appears the "elite" players seem to be against this notion of there being harder kits to play than others, but guess what? Not everyone is "elite", and majority of the player base will find certain kits harder to play than others, and in their opinion (as requested in the original post), there will be a hardest kit to play.

[Argent Xero]

wait, no.

it's the Nova Vanguard for me.

I can't get this kit to work for me, I die way too much. Banshee sync kills or knowing when to Nova, realizing Nova doesn't work without Barriers when I'm surrounded by everything is just too much for me.