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[Farangbaa]

Worse is that Bioware really gave fans a huge middle finger with the "Refuse" Ending where if you don't do as the Reapers say you lose, everyone dies and the next cycle is told how much you failed and to simply obey the Reapers.

 

That's not what happens. The next cycle wins, you know?

 

 

Most people aren't, most still have a bitter taste to how ME3 ending and when ME4 gets closer to release the ME3 vids and the such will get a surge of views and old wounds WILL be re-open with many looking at ME4 with very cautious eyes due to how bad ME3's endings hurt.

 

You honestly think that? That in anticipation of ME4, people will watch ME3 vids?

[Elite Midget]

That's not what happens. The next cycle wins, you know?

 

 

 

You honestly think that? That in anticipation of ME4, people will watch ME3 vids?

That's EXACTLY what happens. Furthermore the next cycle ONLY wins if they do what the Starchild tells them to do. Liara literally tells them "Don't do what we did, use the darn Starchild's machine!".

 

They will, I watched DA:O stuff when I was waiting for DAII release date. Heck many people are posting in DA:O and DAII Vids about DA:I and even replaying the games as they wait.

 

Fans playing ME3 again while waiting for ME4 is something Bioware should try and actively persuade fans not to do as they don't need millions of fans reliving how much they hated ME3's ending. Especially since it will also remind them of the promises, "15 endings!" or "Choices Matter!", that never came to pass.

 

 

It's easy to get over how bad ME'3 endings are.

Tell that to the millions that still hate it. They may have moved on but the reality is that they STILL don't like the ME3 Endings and Fans STILL talk about how bad the ME3 ends are even to this very day.

 

ME3's ending is a HUGE reason why the hype for ME4 is extremely low compared to ME3 before its release. Many are simply waiting to see what happens, they aren't giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt in regards to ME4 like they did with ME3 because of how badly received ME3's endings still are.

[in it for the lolz]

 

 

 

Tell that to the millions that still hate it. They may have moved on but the reality is that they STILL don't like the ME3 Endings and Fans STILL talk about how bad the ME3 ends are even to this very day.

 

ME3's ending is a HUGE reason why the hype for ME4 is extremely low compared to ME3 before its release. Many are simply waiting to see what happens, they aren't giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt in regards to ME4 like they did with ME3 because of how badly received ME3's endings still are.

 

And I used to be one of those people. Hell, I started playing ME (1 to 3) again, and when I have finshed playing ME 3 I just so "meh" and carry on with my life. 

 

EDIT: Playing lots of Halo helps as well!

[Cknarf]

I plan on dropping the cash on an Xbox one just to play this game.  Well, that and Forza Motorsport.  That's the whole reason I even got into Xbox in the first place.

 

[Farangbaa]

 

That's EXACTLY what happens. Furthermore the next cycle ONLY wins if they do what the Starchild tells them to do. Liara literally tells them "Don't do what we did, use the darn Starchild's machine!".

 

Ah, so you propose they don't use the Conduit.

 

I smell conventional victory nonsense.

 

 

They will, I watched DA:O stuff when I was waiting for DAII release date. Heck many people are posting in DA:O and DAII Vids about DA:I and even replaying the games as they wait.

 

Fans playing ME3 again while waiting for ME4 is something Bioware should try and actively persuade fans not to do as they don't need millions of fans reliving how much they hated ME3's ending. Especially since it will also remind them of the promises, "15 endings!" or "Choices Matter!", that never came to pass.

 

 

You =/= millions of people.

 

You did get 15 endings. Your choices mattered. That you didn't get the 15 endings you wanted or you didn't see your choices affect the game like you wanted them to does not mean they weren't there. All your choices mattered to some extent.

 

 

Tell that to the millions that still hate it. They may have moved on but the reality is that they STILL don't like the ME3 Endings and Fans STILL talk about how bad the ME3 ends are even to this very day.

 

ME3's ending is a HUGE reason why the hype for ME4 is extremely low compared to ME3 before its release. Many are simply waiting to see what happens, they aren't giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt in regards to ME4 like they did with ME3 because of how badly received ME3's endings still are.

 

Millions? Stop exaggerating.

 

Also, I refer you to the link in my signature.

[Elite Midget]

I propose Bioware make better endings that actually make sense and are more than simply "Do what the Reapers say".

 

You should get your nose checked, seems to be leading you astray.

 

So you're pretending that millions of NEGATIVE reactions didn't happen when ME3 was released and the endings were discovered? Feelings like that don't vanish so easily and I highly doubt those millions of fans will rush to pre-order ME4 after how things went with ME3. Telling fans they need "clarification" instead of owning up to "The endings are bad and we know you all hate the Starchild" didn't help roster good will either.

 

No we didn't all we got is 3 Endings in the Origins, choices also didn't matter as they didn't effect anything at all when the dust settled. Especially in Destroyer literally has the entire Universe cut off to starve to death save a few core self-sustaining planets. So no, they didn't matter and it's wrong to fool yourself into believing otherwise.

 

Not an exaggeration when it's the truth.

 

Your signature isn't factual or truthful, it's that of someone blind to reality in their hero worship.

 

Bioware slipped with ME3 and they deserved every bit of backlash they got over it and their poor handling of the situation. 

[Farangbaa]

I propose Bioware make better endings that actually make sense and are more than simply "Do what the Reapers say".
 
You should get your nose checked, seems to be leading you astray.

Ah, so you propose a rewrite of the entire trilogy.
 

So you're pretending that millions of NEGATIVE reactions didn't happen when ME3 was released and the endings were discovered? Feelings like that don't vanish so easily and I highly doubt those millions of fans will rush to pre-order ME4 after how things went with ME3. Telling fans they need "clarification" instead of owning up to "The endings are bad and we know you all hate the Starchild" didn't help roster good will either.

I'm not pretending, you are:

http://forum.bioware...?hl=mass effect

No we didn't all we got is 3 Endings in the Origins, choices also didn't matter as they didn't effect anything at all when the dust settled. Especially in Destroyer literally has the entire Universe cut off to starve to death save a few core self-sustaining planets. So no, they didn't matter and it's wrong to fool yourself into believing otherwise.

You got 3 endings with many variations. How long have you been playing games? Did you honestly expect them to make 15 completely different endings in which all your choices would come together? Cause that's not even possible. You make well over 15 decisions during the trilogy. Simply combining your decisions into the ending would've given you 1000+ different endings. That's just simply not possible to do.

And your choices did matter throughout the trilogy. I never saw Wrex again after I killed him, destroying Maelon's data killed Bakarra, being nice to Conrad Verner kept him alive throughout the trilogy (and gives you one of the most awesome scenes in the game in ME3), killing the council makes you have a different council in ME2/ME3, etc, etc, etc.

Not an exaggeration when it's the truth.

Just saying something is the truth doesn't make it so.

Your signature isn't factual or truthful, it's that of someone blind to reality in their hero worship.

You didn't read a word of it.

[KaiserShep]

This whole choice doesn't matter thing is a bit tricky. In terms of the final battle, sure, the difference is only between high and low EMS, but since the extended cut, I can't really say that this statement is true.

[Iakus]

This whole choice doesn't matter thing is a bit tricky. In terms of the final battle, sure, the difference is only between high and low EMS, but since the extended cut, I can't really say that this statement is true.

Except the Extended Cut didn't really change anything.  It just added details.  If choices didn't matter before, they didn't matter after either.

 

And because of this, Mass Effect is running a serious trust deficeit with me as far as MENext goes.

[AlanC9]

Except the Extended Cut didn't really change anything.  It just added details.  If choices didn't matter before, they didn't matter after either.

Well, it did add Refuse, but I suppose that doesn't count as a new ending because players could stand around and let the Crucible be destroyed pre-EC too.

But yeah, didn't change much. Wasn't supposed to. The endings were always different, and the EC made the differences more obvious.

And if someone understands the endings but has a value system screwed-up enough for him to think that the choices don't matter, that's his problem. This isn't directed at you because you actually can tell the difference, you just pretend not to for rhetorical purposes.

[Barquiel]

Except the Extended Cut didn't really change anything.  It just added details.  If choices didn't matter before, they didn't matter after either.

 

And because of this, Mass Effect is running a serious trust deficeit with me as far as MENext goes.

 

That's true, but I think it added important details. They kind of retconned the whole dark age thing. You get some closure, don't have your squadmates stranded mysteriously on some alien planet, the cheering soldiers all over the galaxy, seeing Thessia and Earth rebuilt...it allows me to say goodbye to ME3 on a more positive note.

[AlanC9]

specially in Destroyer literally has the entire Universe cut off to starve to death save a few core self-sustaining planets.

This is ridiculous. Even a cursory examination of the map will show that almost every cluster has one or more garden worlds, and the settlements on uninhabitable worlds have relatively tiny populations.

[themikefest]

The biggest difference between ems for destroy(higher than 1750) is the time it takes for the galaxy to rebuild. Below 1750, the galaxy is put into a stone age

 

Until more information is released about the next ME game, I won't worry about it. I'm keeping my eye on October when DAI is released

[Iakus]

Well, it did add Refuse, but I suppose that doesn't count as a new ending because players could stand around and let the Crucible be destroyed pre-EC too.

But yeah, didn't change much. Wasn't supposed to. The endings were always different, and the EC made the differences more obvious.

And if someone understands the endings but has a value system screwed-up enough for him to think that the choices don't matter, that's his problem. This isn't directed at you because you actually can tell the difference, you just pretend not to for rhetorical purposes.

I prefer to think of it as "Pick your atrocity and then burn!" isn't much of a choice...

[Raizo]

I suppose I am although I feel obligated to point out that I am more worried about what ME4 will do wrong than I am excited for what it might do right. I should be excited about all the potential ME4 has, instead I find that I'm bracing myself for kick in the quads.

[myahele]

I am not too excited since its still years away. All my excitement goes to DAI.

I am quite confident that EA/Bioware learned from DA2 and ME3 to not rush things. They are already doing 2 different VA for each gender and included a new race in DAI.

Surely ME4 will be just as well thought through, given its controversy.

[AlanC9]

I prefer to think of it as "Pick your atrocity and then burn!" isn't much of a choice...

How you think about them is your business, but the question was if the choice matters, rather than whether or not iakus thinks the choices are all atrocities.

[KaiserShep]

Except the Extended Cut didn't really change anything.  It just added details.  If choices didn't matter before, they didn't matter after either.
 
And because of this, Mass Effect is running a serious trust deficeit with me as far as MENext goes.

I don't agree that it didn't change anything. If you mean the basic premise of the game's conclusion, then that's sort of the point of an "extended cut". If you were expecting an "alternate ending" DLC, then that's sort of a case of blind optimism. In any case, it undid the terribly abrupt cutoff, showed what became of many important characters, and retcon'd a few things along the way. Whether or not that matters is strictly a matter of opinion, one that is clearly not shared.

[Iakus]

How you think about them is your business, but the question was if the choice matters, rather than whether or not iakus thinks the choices are all atrocities.

 

And I think that if all the options are repulsive, then the choice ceases to matter.  It doesn't matter what color flashes across the screen when you're left going "Well that sure sucked"

[Iakus]

I don't agree that it didn't change anything. If you mean the basic premise of the game's conclusion, then that's sort of the point of an "extended cut". If you were expecting an "alternate ending" DLC, then that's sort of a case of blind optimism. In any case, it undid the terribly abrupt cutoff, showed what became of many important characters, and retcon'd a few things along the way. Whether or not that matters is strictly a matter of opinion, one that is clearly not shared.

 

An abrupt cutoff isn't a whole lot better than being left to bleed out.  Several minutes of handwaving by the Catalyst was not a good use of that time.

 

We didn't really get shown what became of the characters, we got slides of them doing...stuff.  And of course in one particular ending the most important character of all was left a faceless torso.

 

And the fact that our opinions are not shared should be a major concern for Bioware.  These endings are far from universally popular.  They are, in fact deeply divisive and have broken the base.  Heck not everyone who hates the endings even hates them for the same reasons, they suck on so many levels!  And those who like the endings now have a widely varied galaxy that is going to change in many, many ways.  

 

Now with save imports, having such a divisive worldstate makes moving forward extremely problematic.  What gets carried forward?  To what degree?  Is it more important to canonize an ending, or risk watering down the importance of all?  Or just completely reimagine the Mass Effect universe?

[Cknarf]

I'm not worried about the next set of endings.  Hell, those are likely years away lol.

[KaiserShep]

An abrupt cutoff isn't a whole lot better than being left to bleed out.  Several minutes of handwaving by the Catalyst was not a good use of that time.

 

We didn't really get shown what became of the characters, we got slides of them doing...stuff.  And of course in one particular ending the most important character of all was left a faceless torso.

 

And the fact that our opinions are not shared should be a major concern for Bioware.  These endings are far from universally popular.  They are, in fact deeply divisive and have broken the base.  Heck not everyone who hates the endings even hates them for the same reasons, they suck on so many levels!  And those who like the endings now have a widely varied galaxy that is going to change in many, many ways.  

 

Now with save imports, having such a divisive worldstate makes moving forward extremely problematic.  What gets carried forward?  To what degree?  Is it more important to canonize an ending, or risk watering down the importance of all?  Or just completely reimagine the Mass Effect universe?

 

I suppose this is what I get for bothering to contribute to this discussion.

[PMC65]

While I did not care for ME3, I hope that the next installment will be more to my liking.

 

I loved Mass Effect, enjoyed Mass Effect 2 and I'm looking forward to attending the panel at the SDCC - "Charting a Course: Developing the Next Mass Effect".

 

It is going to be interesting to see what Mike Gamble and the other Bioware employees share with us.

[zqrahll]

No, I am not excited-- Mass Effect is dead to me.  Single Player in 3 was a mess from beginning to end.  

[Display Name Owner]

It's early days, too soon for me to be feeling "excited" as such. It's more of a "oh that's cool" thing since it's so far away.

I'm looking forward to finding out about it and I'll most likely buy it too. I don't really do preorders so I'll just get it when I get it.