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[FlyingSquirrel]

It looks more than cool - it looks like Andromeda. It clearly isn't a traditional spiral galaxy. It looks like they may have taken the advice of people here (including myself) who proposed jumping ship to a new galaxy as the perfect way to avoid canonizing an ending in a sequel. My guess is they will go the "ark ship" route and somehow hand wave away the fact that the FTL drives in mass effect couldn't make it very far without discharging.

 

I suppose I'd consider that mildly preferable to a canonized ending, but I'd still prefer a prequel set in between the First Contact War and the Shepard trilogy. Going to a different galaxy on an ark ship means wiping away a lot of the political and cultural background that's made the MEU so interesting. Maybe it would still inform some of the players' viewpoints, but you couldn't have conflicts like Wrex balking at the plan to destroy Saren's base or Legion's loyalty mission, because none of the characters could really hope to influence events back in the Milky Way. Even if they were to return at some point, they'd likely find that most of the conflicts and issues have changed quite a bit from when they left, due to the events of ME1-3.

[Reorte]

It looks more than cool - it looks like Andromeda. It clearly isn't a traditional spiral galaxy. It looks like they may have taken the advice of people here (including myself) who proposed jumping ship to a new galaxy as the perfect way to avoid canonizing an ending in a sequel. My guess is they will go the "ark ship" route and somehow hand wave away the fact that the FTL drives in mass effect couldn't make it very far without discharging.

Andromeda is pretty much a normal spiral galaxy. The picture looks a bit like an X-ray image of Andromeda, although why it would show that I've no idea.

Jumping ship to a new galaxy would be a very, very bad way to go. May as well just ditch the whole Mass Effect thing and start a new sci-fi series without any of the baggage if you're going to do that. It also demonstrates a massive lack of the grasp of the size of this galaxy.

If it's going to be a Mass Effect game anything other than a future in this galaxy setting is a bad idea. Since there's no good way around the ME3 ending mess and I really, really don't see the point in a prequel at this stage (even overlooking the lack of time to set it) I'd be happy with just brushing the whole thing under the carpet - saying there was a Reaper war and then forgetting about it entirely and ignoring any consequences it may have had.

[Kabooooom]

Andromeda is pretty much a normal spiral galaxy. The picture looks a bit like an X-ray image of Andromeda, although why it would show that I've no idea.

Jumping ship to a new galaxy would be a very, very bad way to go. May as well just ditch the whole Mass Effect thing and start a new sci-fi series without any of the baggage if you're going to do that. It also demonstrates a massive lack of the grasp of the size of this galaxy.

If it's going to be a Mass Effect game anything other than a future in this galaxy setting is a bad idea. Since there's no good way around the ME3 ending mess and I really, really don't see the point in a prequel at this stage (even overlooking the lack of time to set it) I'd be happy with just brushing the whole thing under the carpet - saying there was a Reaper war and then forgetting about it entirely and ignoring any consequences it may have had.

By "traditional", I meant "composed of spiral arms in a way that is immediately reminiscent of the Milky Way, especially the Milky Way galaxy map". Andromeda and the Milky Way are both spiral galaxies, but they are classified differently because of their structure and appearance. Andromeda is a type SA(s)b, while the Milky Way is an SBc. Notably, the spiral arms of Andromeda are more distinct and do not adhere to the logarithmic appearance that you see with the Milky Way's galaxy map from the prior trilogy - like at all (although in real life questions still remain about the structure of the Milky Way's spiral, but it would seem odd for them to retcon the galaxy map of all things). Andromeda also lacks a distinct central bar, hence it's classification; however, this may be due to viewing the bar almost directly head-on from Earth. Still, of note is that the image likewise lacks a bar, again distinct from the Milky Way.

Thus, both galaxies are clearly distinguishable from each other. Does that image resemble the Milky Way, even vaguely? No, not really. However, it does resemble Andromeda, and by a lot. And not just the x-ray image of the galaxy, it resembles the infrared images even more closely, and the visual light images as well (although the arm structure is less distinct here given the inclination of the galaxy relative to Earth). It looks like an attempt at an estimate of what Andromeda would look like from a perpendicular angle, which is an angle that we cannot see from Earth, so of course the inclined view of the galaxy from Earth wouldn't match it in appearance exactly.

It seems to be an intriguing image. They deliberately showed the galaxy map for a reason with narrative involving "new regions of space", and it is a distinctly unfamiliar galaxy map.

Is it the Milky Way? Honestly, by that image alone I think we can say no, it isn't. Is it Andromeda? It sure looks a hell of a lot like it. Is it a placeholder? Maybe, but then why show it? Why emphasize it? They could have shown us the classic Milky Way galaxy map and there would be no question, no speculation. But the purpose of the video was to generate hype and speculation with fans, and they deliberately provided a few clues to do just that.

[andy6915]

Maybe ME4 takes place in both galaxies. Like someone discovered an ancient mass relay that actually shoots you all the way past dark space to the Andromeda galaxy, and using it allows you to go back and forth between the new place and the old place... Kinda like what Pokemon Gold and Silver did where you can eventually go back and forth freely between the old Kanto region of Red and Blue and the new Johto region of Gold and Silver.

[Reorte]

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Thus, both galaxies are clearly distinguishable from each other.

You're assuming that it's the Milky Way or Andromeda. Whilst it's more like Andromeda than the MW there's also nothing particularly distinguishing about it either. All you can definitively say is that if that's a galaxy it's not the Milky Way.

Maybe ME4 takes place in both galaxies. Like someone discovered an ancient mass relay that actually shoots you all the way past dark space to the Andromeda galaxy, and using it allows you to go back and forth between the new place and the old place...

Could be but what would be the point? It's not as if we've seen more than a very, very tiny fraction of the Milky Way. There's just no good reason to bother going to another galaxy (not that that'll necessarily stop BW).

[von uber]

Rule of cool surely; a new galaxy is much more cooler than our immense spiral arm.

[Reorte]

Rule of cool surely; a new galaxy is much more cooler than our immense spiral arm.

:shudder:

Stupid done for rule of cool reasons almost always just gets a facepalm from me. I can just about buy it for things that happen so often they're some sort of convention, like space point blank range dogfights (as long as they don't make it too blatant).

[Kabooooom]

You're assuming that it's the Milky Way or Andromeda. Whilst it's more like Andromeda than the MW there's also nothing particularly distinguishing about it either. All you can definitively say is that if that's a galaxy it's not the Milky Way.

Yea, which is what I stated in the last paragraph of that post. However, like I pointed out, while it COULD be an unknown galaxy, that seems unlikely to me. It just so happens to closely resemble the closest galaxy to the Milky Way, but it isn't that galaxy? That'd be one pretty derpy coincidence.

[Iakus]

Rule of cool surely; a new galaxy is much more cooler than our immense spiral arm.

 

Rule of Cool pretty much brought Mass Effect to this sorry state in the first place 

[Kabooooom]

Lol, I think I am like the only one that is optimistic by the thought that they *might* (likely did) decide to jump ship, completely ignore the prior trilogy and start fresh in a new galaxy.

I don't think they will screw this up. They are acutely aware that they will be closely scrutinized with ME4.

[Iakus]

Lol, I think I am like the only one that is optimistic by the thought that they *might* (likely did) decide to jump ship, completely ignore the prior trilogy and start fresh in a new galaxy.

I don't think they will screw this up. They are acutely aware that they will be closely scrutinized with ME4.

I'm with you up until "new galaxy"

[KaiserShep]

I wouldn't take the design of a galaxy map in a conceptual image too seriously. The image just looks really cool, but leaving the galaxy entirely for the story is completely pointless.

[dreamgazer]

Rule of Cool pretty much brought Mass Effect to this sorry state in the first place 

 

Rule of Cool has been part of the series since the beginning, to hefty degrees. 

[KaiserShep]

Rule of Cool has been part of the series since the beginning, to hefty degrees. 

 

I wish I had a thorian of my own. It can make clones of me, with armor AND weapons!

[Han Shot First]

Yes.

 

Though I would add that my level of excitement would greatly decrease (if not vanish entirely) with an announcement that the game is a prequel, a reboot, or set in a canon Synthesis universe.

[dreamgazer]

Yes.

 

Though I would add that my level of excitement would greatly decrease (if not vanish entirely) with an announcement that the game is a prequel, a reboot, or set in a canon Synthesis universe.

 

This, word for word.

[AlanC9]

My interest would probably go up it if was canon Synthesis. Mostly interest in watching this board melt down, of course. But if they took a leap into full-on weirdness the game could be good too.

 

Not happening, but interesting to think about.

[dreamgazer]

I'd consider a full-blown dystopian Synthesis game.  That'd certainly be a trip.

[wolfhowwl]

A galaxy under Control could get dark pretty fast as well.

 

Renegade for obvious reasons and a Paragon's obsession with justice could lead to things getting rather...oppressive. 

[Kabooooom]

I wouldn't take the design of a galaxy map in a conceptual image too seriously. The image just looks really cool, but leaving the galaxy entirely for the story is completely pointless.

Then why not show us the Milky Way -ie: a galaxy map that is clearly the one that we are familiar with, instead of one that is clearly not the Milky Way? If they wanted a placeholder, it wouldn't exactly take a ton of effort to just put the old galaxy map in there. If they did that, there would be no speculation, no question as to what the setting was.

But instead, they show us a different galaxy altogether which is not hard to see, while the narration talks about "a completely new region of space", in a trailer that was designed to give clues about the timeline and setting, and in turn generate hype via speculation.

Yeah, it takes way less assuming to assume that it was deliberate on Bioware's part than to assume that it wasn't. Especially since it just so happens to completely avoid the ME3 ending fiasco, which is what they wanted to do.

So my guess is, it is either a deliberate clue to the setting in a new galaxy (probably Andromeda), or it is a deliberate red herring to generate speculation and throw us off. But either way, it was most certainly deliberate.

[KaiserShep]

Whatevs. The map could change dozens of times between now and the time they have more info for us. Maybe they just liked the colors, or maybe some of them are thoroughly gratified by watching us squirm.

[von uber]

I wish I had a thorian of my own. It can make clones of me, with armor AND weapons!

Shhhhhh, only me3 had silly space magic.

[SporkFu]

What if it's not even a galaxy map, but a warp tunnel opening up, or a personal mass effect relay, or a connection to Leviathan? 

 

To me the image could also be of something powering up, or being generated. 

[Zazzerka]

Or it's just Christmas time.

[silverscorpio]

I wish they could have given a little bit more information at E3. Concept art of a Galaxy is nice for a desktop background but lousy for getting exited about.