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[Kirika69]

I just wish there was at least ONE bloody HUMAN female in the ME universe that's a lesbian apart from femshep.



Unless sleeping with a monogendered species doesn't count, ala bioware.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Kirika69 wrote...

I just wish there was at least ONE bloody HUMAN female in the ME universe that's a lesbian apart from femshep.

Unless sleeping with a monogendered species doesn't count, ala bioware.

I've still heard from very reliable sources that Kelly will bone you as a Femshep.

It's something I guess.

[Returnpolicy]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

@Surfacebeneath I think ReturnPolicy was just giving an opinion of what people should do if it really pisses them off that much that they think there really is nothing in it for them regarding romances even though they've not played the game yet and can't be 100% sure.

Yea, that thought occurred to me right after I posted it. And again, if that's a stance someone wants to take, as insane as I personally think it is, it is their right to do so. I might try to rub it in their face how fun the game is if they're still around past the 26th though.

For the record I just canceled my pre-order. I personally don't think it's insane to do so. If it turns out that Bioware did leave the option of same-sex romance in I can always buy the game at a later date. I was so looking forward to the game but as an RPGer of many years choice is what I want (and have come to expect from Bioware). Bah

[Homebound]

Dasher10 wrote...



Reason for content cut?

I think in the end, it was to make Jack a more dynamic character.  Yes she's Bi, but that shouldnt guarantee anything to a female Shepard.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Returnpolicy wrote...

For the record I just canceled my pre-order. I personally don't think it's insane to do so. If it turns out that Bioware did leave the option of same-sex romance in I can always buy the game at a later date. I was so looking forward to the game but as an RPGer of many years choice is what I want (and have come to expect from Bioware). Bah

As I said, if you feel that is the course of action you want to take, then far be it for me. However if I look at it from your angle, I think spending $60 dollars in the first place solely for a romance that will probably take up about 15 minutes of game time is an extremely expensive price.

To me, Romances are supplimental material. If anything, I like it more for its value as another tool to explore a squaddie more than any kind of enjoyment I get out of the relationship itself. If I was seriously interested in entertaining a digital romance, I certainly wouldn't have been looking towards Bioware in the first place for such a thing. I hear there's quite a thriving industry that does those kinds of games in Japan. And I'm not trying to criticize anyone who wants that kind of game.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 23 janvier 2010 - 12:09 .

[Rlyeh87]

I dont like Jack

[SrGrvsaLot]

Straight male here. I think gay romances both m/m and f/f should be in. It's only fair. I think more people would agree with that in principle than would avoid a game just because it has a gay romance.

[Yana Montana]

Just_mike wrote...

Dasher10 wrote...



Reason for content cut?

I think in the end, it was to make Jack a more dynamic character.  Yes she's Bi, but that shouldnt guarantee anything to a female Shepard.

A hope, maybe?

My Shepard is a hot lady and she needs another hot lady beside her. <3

[SrGrvsaLot]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...
To me, Romances are supplimental material. If anything, I like it more for its value as another tool to explore a squaddie more than any kind of enjoyment I get out of the relationship itself. If I was seriously interested in entertaining a digital romance, I certainly wouldn't have been looking towards Bioware in the first place for such a thing. I hear there's quite a thriving industry that does those kinds of games in Japan. And I'm not trying to criticize anyone who wants that kind of game.

I think you're making an unsupported jump here. Of course the romances are "supplemental material," but that doesn't mean that those arguing for a gay option are doing so because they want the game to be some kind of detailed dating sim. It's because they want material that will supliment the game in a way that resonates emotionally with them. Supplimental material adds color to a game, color that helps fill in details of the world and the characters, makes them more real and relatible. What some gay players want is suplimental material that wil allow them to create a Cmdr Shepard who is like them.

This, of course, is a fundamental aspect of a story-driven rpg. It is a very real and valid motive for playing. Yes, some people will play Mass Effect from one remove, and make decisions because they want to "watch" the story, but more often, people will be putting themselves into the role of commander shepard. They choose, for example, a paragon or renegade dialogue option because they imagine that that is how they themselves would react in that situation. The romances are suplimental material, but even though they are only suplimental, they are not exempt from that motive.

The inclusion of gay romances seems to me to be an issue of fundamental fairness. If straight players are allowed (indeed, even encouraged) to play Mass Effect like a self-insert fanfic, then gay players should get the same opportunity.

[Nimander]

I think M/M and F/F should be available, myself. I'm kind of sad Jacob isn't bisexual, in-game. I -don't- think they should be as broad as some people seem to think, though. Some of the posts here are reading as if any character that's romanceable should be romanceable from bost genders, and I don't agree with that. Reminds me of the way fanfic writers tend to make everyone in a series gay or lesbian, depending on their personal preferences.



Personal preference, but I'd prefer if Miranda was the bisexual romance option and not SuZe, just 'cause SuZe is a walking cliche as it is, at least thus far. Definitely don't think that Miranda, SuZe, Tali, and more should be same-sex romance options too.

[SurfaceBeneath]

SrGrvsaLot wrote...
I think you're making an unsupported jump here. Of course the romances are "supplemental material," but that doesn't mean that those arguing for a gay option are doing so because they want the game to be some kind of detailed dating sim. It's because they want material that will supliment the game in a way that resonates emotionally with them. Supplimental material adds color to a game, color that helps fill in details of the world and the characters, makes them more real and relatible. What some gay players want is suplimental material that wil allow them to create a Cmdr Shepard who is like them.

This, of course, is a fundamental aspect of a story-driven rpg. It is a very real and valid motive for playing. Yes, some people will play Mass Effect from one remove, and make decisions because they want to "watch" the story, but more often, people will be putting themselves into the role of commander shepard. They choose, for example, a paragon or renegade dialogue option because they imagine that that is how they themselves would react in that situation. The romances are suplimental material, but even though they are only suplimental, they are not exempt from that motive.

The inclusion of gay romances seems to me to be an issue of fundamental fairness. If straight players are allowed (indeed, even encouraged) to play Mass Effect like a self-insert fanfic, then gay players should get the same opportunity.

I did not mean to make it seem like I did not support the inclusion of same-sex romances in game. I am actually one of their largest supporters I assure you (for both M/M and F/F). I was merely referring to the fact that in the scheme of things, Bioware's romances have never really been "major" parts of the game (I am referring to time spent engaging in the romance, not its emotional impact which is completely subjective). The Romance you engage in might account for a total of about 3% of your playtime, which is not a substantial portion of the game. Someone saying they are going to not buy a game based on that 3% figure conversely implies that one of the major reasons they're purchasing the game is based on that figure. $60 dollars, to me, is quite a bit of money to spend based on 15 minutes of relationship dialogue (if that) and a "sex scene". Especially when there are MUCH cheaper games where their entire premice is basically those 15 minutes turned in to a full fledged game.

What I'm basically saying is that is a whole heck of a lot of game to skip out on because you were not happy with a very minor portion of it. However, I freely admit that my feelings on the issue are pragmatic rather than emotional. I value romances somewhat, but they are a far cry from the crux of my purchase and if given a choice between romances and say, the fish tank... well... it'd be close.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 23 janvier 2010 - 12:22 .

[Haasth]

Well. That's a romance option I won't be pursuing!

[Homebound]

I think we are over-obsessing about an inherently MINOR detail in the game. This isnt about who Shepard does and doesnt sleep with, its about Humanity facing an impending danger that the Galaxy would rather turn a blind eye towards.

Listen up Forums, we have our orders, pre-order Mass Effect 2 and save humanity. 
We all know what happened in the Trailers, we saw the destruction of human settlements across the galaxy. We saw the bodies, we saw the Collectors and what they are capable of. And we need to make them pay.
For too long our species has been divided my insignificant differences, and that comes to an end now if we expect to see another day. Its time we stepped up and showed the other citadel races what the Humans are made of
Our enemy thinks they can do anything they want to us. But they dont know we're getting ready for them.
This is the most important game that anyone of us has ever played on.
The fate of an entire fictional galaxy is at stake. We stopped Saren and we WILL stop this new threat no matter what the cost!
Think of all the things sacrificed in the last game for us to be at this point. We cant fail.

Modifié par Just_mike, 23 janvier 2010 - 12:28 .

[Returnpolicy]

SrGrvsaLot wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...
To me, Romances are supplimental material. If anything, I like it more for its value as another tool to explore a squaddie more than any kind of enjoyment I get out of the relationship itself. If I was seriously interested in entertaining a digital romance, I certainly wouldn't have been looking towards Bioware in the first place for such a thing. I hear there's quite a thriving industry that does those kinds of games in Japan. And I'm not trying to criticize anyone who wants that kind of game.

I think you're making an unsupported jump here. Of course the romances are "supplemental material," but that doesn't mean that those arguing for a gay option are doing so because they want the game to be some kind of detailed dating sim. It's because they want material that will supliment the game in a way that resonates emotionally with them.

Well put SrGrvsaLot. I'm not looking for a dating Sim and I wasn't willing to pay 59.99 Euros for  romance. What I wanted was a game which offers choices and doesn't arbitrarily restrict them. I mean if maleshep can romance Tali and Bioware created a new alien race exclusively for heterosexual female RPGers why can't they keep same-sex romance? Maybe I shouldn't consider this as a moral/principle issue but I do. Games have become an important vehicle of expression (an art form) which reach a lot of people - from that angle I think it's worth communicating one's misgivings. The devs have stated that this game is about building relationships with your crew - this makes the game all the more interesting and forms a large part of its replayability (exploring different options/choices) - restricting choice  is not the way to go in my opinion.

For the record I'm a straight, married, employed male who enjoys playing a femshep more than a maleshep. Choice.

Modifié par Returnpolicy, 23 janvier 2010 - 12:31 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

Returnpolicy wrote...

Well put SrGrvsaLot. I'm not looking for a dating Sim and I wasn't willing to pay 59.99 Euros for  romance. What I wanted was a game which offers choices and doesn't arbitrarily restrict them. I mean if maleshep can romance Tali and Bioware created a new alien race exclusively for heterosexual female RPGers why can't they keep same-sex romance? Maybe I shouldn't consider this as a moral/principle issue but I do. Games have become an important vehicle of expression (an art form) which reach a lot of people - from that angle I think it's worth communicating one's misgivings. The devs have stated that this game is about building relationships with your crew - this makes the game all the more interesting and forms a large part of its replayability (exploring different options/choices) - restricting choice  is not the way to go in my opinion.

For the record I'm a straight, married, employed male who enjoys playing a femshep more than a maleshep. Choice.

Oh, so this is a issue of principles. I get you, I'm just not willing to not play what is my most anticipated game of the new decade because of a wrong, but not major, disclusion to the game. Again, I just don't feel romances are enough of a factor to the game to be too upset over the matter, though I am kind of shaking my head at Bioware. Or at least I will when the game releases and this all becomes official.

For the record, I am also a straight, non-married but 6 year relationship committed male who almost exclusively plays Femshep. I have no problem going for Garrus my first run though, because Garrus is pretty rad.

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 23 janvier 2010 - 12:36 .

[Homebound]

Well Im glad you are all comfortable with yourselves, but it just seems like this is getting over-blown...

[tangalin]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Again you know some people, not the entire *** demographic. I'm just going by numbers. And for thoese people who won't buy a game b/c of no *** romances are real fans of the game if they won't but for such a trivial decision. You have to see my angle for this.

Okay

Examining DeathCults angle...

Processing...

Processing...

Result... Homophobic Douche. Recommend removal.

:happy:

[arjay2813]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Because homosexshuals are evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Oh, i hope you're being sarcastic.... I'm Roman Catholic and I just think that's just plain rude/mean if you're not being sarcastic.

i'm not r/c but i am christian and i have many gay, bi- and ******-sexual friends and find your quote very offensive. take it off or i will report you

[Darth_Shizz]

There are actually a number of reasons the ME2 team may have decided to exclude a F/F option. The two I'd look towards however, are either time restraints when it came to character design, or just simply feeling that they ended up with characters that couldn't justifiably be "homosexualised" to appeal to those wanting same sex relationships in the game; this would not only cheapen the character in question, but also same-sex relationships in general.

Now if you want to argue that BW should have been creating such a character since the conception of ME2, fair enough. However, it doesn't always necessarily work that way. Best example to me, would be to look at early character concepts of SuZe...she was a VERY different character back then to how she is now.

I can personally take it or leave it. I'm confident there was good reason for it working out this way. Sexuality of a character doesn't bother me, as long at it makes sense in the way that character was built. Deep characters > gay characters > straight characters. I also find it a nice little touch that Jack hasn't been limited to having strictly heterosexual encounters, yet still ISN'T an option for a female shep. It's far more refreshing to see that, than it is to see a company attempt to pander incessantly. 

On a side note, anyone that believes this an attempt to slap the gay/bi community in the face, really needs to get down off their high horse; BW don't hate gay people, and I'm pretty sure they don't hate bisexuals, regardless of what SuZe may tell you.


P.s. Stop with the arrogant assumptions that including a gay/bisexual LI is any more important than including an interspecies one. A Human/Drell/Quarian/Turian/Salarian/Asari/Elcor/Volus/Krogan/Hanar/Batarian/Geth/Collector/Reaper relationship is no less valid than a same-sex human one...bloody xenophobes.

Modifié par Darth_Shizz, 23 janvier 2010 - 02:16 .

[Wakara Pezi]

Just_mike wrote...

I think we are over-obsessing about an inherently MINOR detail in the game. This isnt about who Shepard does and doesnt sleep with, its about Humanity facing an impending danger that the Galaxy would rather turn a blind eye towards.

Listen up Forums, we have our orders, pre-order Mass Effect 2 and save humanity. 
We all know what happened in the Trailers, we saw the destruction of human settlements across the galaxy. We saw the bodies, we saw the Collectors and what they are capable of. And we need to make them pay.
For too long our species has been divided my insignificant differences, and that comes to an end now if we expect to see another day. Its time we stepped up and showed the other citadel races what the Humans are made of
Our enemy thinks they can do anything they want to us. But they dont know we're getting ready for them.
This is the most important game that anyone of us has ever played on.
The fate of an entire fictional galaxy is at stake. We stopped Saren and we WILL stop this new threat no matter what the cost!
Think of all the things sacrificed in the last game for us to be at this point. We cant fail.

Well then, I guess they need to take out the straight romances if the mission is our priority then.

[ic1pher]

DeathCultArm wrote...

skitchin2112 wrote...

F/F romance will not only help the lesbian market wich is like .5% but will go well with the straight males playing femshep wich is like 90% of the market DeathCult you dont know what you are talking about

If men want to see a f/f romance they'll watch porn, not pay 60$ for a game.

There is absolutely no romance in porn and good lesbian literature is hard to find.

[jlb524]

Wakara Pezi wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

I think we are over-obsessing about an inherently MINOR detail in the game. This isnt about who Shepard does and doesnt sleep with, its about Humanity facing an impending danger that the Galaxy would rather turn a blind eye towards.

Listen up Forums, we have our orders, pre-order Mass Effect 2 and save humanity. 
We all know what happened in the Trailers, we saw the destruction of human settlements across the galaxy. We saw the bodies, we saw the Collectors and what they are capable of. And we need to make them pay.
For too long our species has been divided my insignificant differences, and that comes to an end now if we expect to see another day. Its time we stepped up and showed the other citadel races what the Humans are made of
Our enemy thinks they can do anything they want to us. But they dont know we're getting ready for them.
This is the most important game that anyone of us has ever played on.
The fate of an entire fictional galaxy is at stake. We stopped Saren and we WILL stop this new threat no matter what the cost!
Think of all the things sacrificed in the last game for us to be at this point. We cant fail.

Well then, I guess they need to take out the straight romances if the mission is our priority then.

I support this 100%.  No more straight romances!

[Wakara Pezi]

[quote]DeathCultArm wrote...

[quote]skitchin2112 wrote...

F/F romance will not only help the lesbian market wich is like .5% but will go well with the straight males playing femshep wich is like 90% of the market DeathCult you dont know what you are talking about[/quote]

If men want to see a f/f romance they'll watch porn, not pay 60$ for a game.[/quote]
[/quote]

Well then, I guess they need to take out the straight romances if what we want is porn then. The m/f would be considered porn too then...  Oh, I'm a female by the way and I want F/F.

Modifié par Wakara Pezi, 23 janvier 2010 - 04:39 .

[Wakara Pezi]

rynluna wrote...

Most people that play this game tend to immerse themselves in the character. Romance is not the main plot of the game but I'm sure most are happy that they get to save the galaxy along with a straight partner on their side. The fans that are emotionally invested in this game, who also happen to be gay/les/bi would just like to have the option to romance someone they would be attracted to in real life as well.

Great goddess, yes.