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[Revan312]

Mordigan wrote...

This is a flawed business model, because while F/F romances may appeal to a significant amount of heterosexual men, it doesn't appeal to heterosexual women; which is exactly the market that Bioware (and every other game developer) is trying to break into.

Why do you think Bioware gave FemShep 3 male romances this time (including one that was specifically tailored for women)?  And, why do you think there is no Asari romance?

It's because Bioware is trying to appeal to female gamers.  A lot of female gamers were pissed that in ME1, they only had one male LI, while males got 2 female LI..

again, obvious BS excuse... If they wanted to appeal to the female gamer they would have shown femshep vids and trailers, half the chicks just a couple days ago didn't even KNOW that there was a female option... Your points are getting damn near the bottom of the barrel in terms of logic

[SidNitzerglobin]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Making your voice heard, over and over again, with great persistence...

Sounds like what the Tali and Garrus fans did.

And Lo and Behold, they seem to be some of the happiest and most content people about the new game right now. For some odd reason...

I think the problem with that logic is that there apparrently doesn't seem to be the same fear/outrage against hetero interspecies romance as there is against any kind of same sex romance.  I wonder if BioWare could get away with featuring a romance-able chimp in one of their games as long it was a M/F configuration?

Anyway, I don't know if external influence was a contributing factor to same sex romances not being included in ME2, but I doubt if you'd ever hear that presented as a reason if it was. 

Given the previous history of at least a semblance of a same sex romance option for either sex in the majority of their past RPGs, I gotta think they would have seen alot of this kind of reaction coming, the ensuing flood of threads for and against, and inevitable heated discussion, trolling and flaming there in.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 23 janvier 2010 - 08:50 .

[diskoh]

Mordigan wrote...

This is a flawed business model, because while F/F romances may appeal to a significant amount of heterosexual men, it doesn't appeal to heterosexual women; which is exactly the market that Bioware (and every other game developer) is trying to break into.

Bullcrap. Apparently you've missed all the posts prefaced with "I'm a heterosexual female, but I support same sex romance..." Because there have been at least a dozen of them in these threads.

[Schneidend]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Except that same gender romance will never happen again. They are showing off ME2 in fromnt of 35 million football watching, beer drinking, shooter fans THIS sunday. That's right 35 million. Tali and Garrus heterosexual romances don't interfere with them liking the game while gay romances would make them flame it to death to all their friends and drive the sales into the dirt....literally. At this point it doesn't matter if they cry a thousand times louder than talimancers.....it just won't happen. The GTA IV DLC has proven how well  anything related to something gay fllies with shooter fans.....like lead baloons.

You mean the GTA IV DLC that has sold over 1,185,000 retail copies? That DLC?

'Kay.

[skitchin2112]

Mordigan wrote...

SirGladiator wrote...

I agree with the person who mentioned that a F/F romance (such as the one mentioned at the beginning of this thread, which sadly this thread seems to have gotten away from lately) would appeal not only to lesbian/bi women but to straight men as well, and that combination of fans makes up a VERY large majority of gamers.

This is a flawed business model, because while F/F romances may appeal to a significant amount of heterosexual men, it doesn't appeal to heterosexual women; which is exactly the market that Bioware (and every other game developer) is trying to break into.

Why do you think Bioware gave FemShep 3 male romances this time (including one that was specifically tailored for women)?  And, why do you think there is no Asari romance?

It's because Bioware is trying to appeal to female gamers.  A lot of female gamers were pissed that in ME1, they only had one male LI, while males got 2 female LI..

I doubt a women who plays this game would care if the had an option to have a F/F LI you act like the women have to have a gay relationship

[DeathCultArm]

skitchin2112 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Most 15 year olds don't play Mass Effect.

Um my little brother plays it hes 15 i got into the game because of him. all his friends who play xbox play ME. and my friends on xbox that are young play it. they either play that borderlands or call of duty. like i said before you dont know waht your talking about

First of all they shouldn't have it in the first place. But I won't get into that. So I guess GTA should start implementing thing that 15 year old want? And I'm sorry but your brother and his friends are the only 15 year olds in the world.

[Mordigan]

Revan312 wrote...

again, obvious BS excuse... If they wanted to appeal to the female gamer they would have shown femshep vids and trailers, half the chicks just a couple days ago didn't even KNOW that there was a female option... Your points are getting damn near the bottom of the barrel in terms of logic

Iconic Shepard is used for marketing purposes only, for obvious reasons.  It doesn't mean that Bioware doesn't have alternative methods of attracting female gamers

[LucidStrike]

Mordigan wrote...

It's because Bioware is trying to appeal to female gamers.  A lot of female gamers were pissed that in ME1, they only had one male LI, while males got 2 female LI..

Of course, you know what appeals to female gamers, Mordigan. You, of all people here. I bet you and Death could teach post-gradiate level Women's Studies and Queer Theory. How fortunate that you are invited to BioWare's internal meetings and know exactly what their thoughts on this are. I bet you've got an account on the internal website. You're so awesome.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 23 janvier 2010 - 08:52 .

[diskoh]

I love the last few pages of this thread, every single one of the contrarian arguments have been smashed.



To recap: DA:O sold well despite having gay romance. GTA DLC sold over a million units despite the one troll claiming it didn't sell. The earlier f/f threads were flooded with hetero females expressing support despite the trolls claiming it doesn't appeal to them.



Can't wait to hear what they come up with next to get debunked.

[skitchin2112]

DeathCultArm wrote...

skitchin2112 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Most 15 year olds don't play Mass Effect.

Um my little brother plays it hes 15 i got into the game because of him. all his friends who play xbox play ME. and my friends on xbox that are young play it. they either play that borderlands or call of duty. like i said before you dont know waht your talking about

First of all they shouldn't have it in the first place. But I won't get into that. So I guess GTA should start implementing thing that 15 year old want? And I'm sorry but your brother and his friends are the only 15 year olds in the world.

For one it is not illegel for them to have it. if the parents approve of it. i believe it is just as bad as a pg13 movie.
And i am not talking about GTA But alot of kids play that 2

[Mordigan]

diskoh wrote...

Bullcrap. Apparently you've missed all the posts prefaced with "I'm a heterosexual female, but I support same sex romance..." Because there have been at least a dozen of them in these threads.

Yeah, and you must have missed the bajillion threads on the old boards with female gamers complaining how they got "shorted."

You just don't get it.  Most people (male and female) aren't opposed to same sex content, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T INFRINGE ON THEIR CONTENT.

When it does (like what happened in ME), then there are complaints.  And since disk space was a limiting factor in ME2, then same sex content was dropped altogether rather than forcing female gamers to get "shorted" again.

[EvilHomer77]

This is surreal and hilarious. There are people in this thread arguing that same-sex romance would be "alienating" in a game where you can hump a lizard from space...

[DeathCultArm]

It's interesting the one who oppose the *** romances are the trolls and what not, yet all the negativity, name-calling and such, comes from ones for it......hmmmmm interesting

[DeathCultArm]

skitchin2112 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

skitchin2112 wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Most 15 year olds don't play Mass Effect.

Um my little brother plays it hes 15 i got into the game because of him. all his friends who play xbox play ME. and my friends on xbox that are young play it. they either play that borderlands or call of duty. like i said before you dont know waht your talking about

First of all they shouldn't have it in the first place. But I won't get into that. So I guess GTA should start implementing thing that 15 year old want? And I'm sorry but your brother and his friends are the only 15 year olds in the world.

For one it is not illegel for them to have it. if the parents approve of it. i believe it is just as bad as a pg13 movie.
And i am not talking about GTA But alot of kids play that 2

I still don't get your arguement, by adding a F/F romance, you're not gaining any more buyers than you'd lose.

[Eternal Dust]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Ok...so I can't give my opinion, then be neutral? Wheter ot not I PERSOANLLY want a f/f romance in or not, doesn't make it smart for BW. *scowls* That make sense?!

Except that you are incapable of giving your opinion without belittling the people who are in support of the romances.

Ugh. Why am I even reasoning with you?

[jakl201]

The one's arguing about how it'd alienate people is kinda dumb. You still won't see it in the game though. Shep just ain't a fruit.

[Mordigan]

LucidStrike wrote...

Of course, you know what appeals to female gamers, Mordigan. You, of all people here. I bet you and Death could teach post-gradiate level Women's Studies and Queer Theory. How fortunate that you are invited to BioWare's internal meetings and know exactly what their thoughts on this are. I bet you've got an account on the internal website. You're so awesome.

Why don't you and all the other "ShimSheps" go back to circle jerking over Liara and FemShep

I guess you won't have to bust out the lotion in ME2 though

[skitchin2112]

DeathCultArm wrote...

It's interesting the one who oppose the *** romances are the trolls and what not, yet all the negativity, name-calling and such, comes from ones for it......hmmmmm interesting

Because you troll every board about romance that pops up

[diskoh]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I still don't get your arguement, by adding a F/F romance, you're not gaining any more buyers than you'd lose.

100% conjecture.

[LucidStrike]

DeathCultArm wrote...

It's interesting the one who oppose the *** romances are the trolls and what not, yet all the negativity, name-calling and such, comes from ones for it......hmmmmm interesting

Yeah, nothing negative from you.

[Eternal Dust]

And since disk space was a limiting factor in ME2, then same sex content was dropped altogether rather than forcing female gamers to get "shorted" again.

Oh god this stupid argument again.

[Revan312]

Mordigan wrote...

Iconic Shepard is used for marketing purposes only, for obvious reasons.  It doesn't mean that Bioware doesn't have alternative methods of attracting female gamers

Just give it up, your barely making an argument anymore... You have nothing to contribute besides blatently wrong information and assumptions.

Name these so called "alternate methods" of attracting female gamers?  Is it the new emphisis on enhanced combat? Or how about the dark structure of the second act that's full of obvious male fanfare like mostly naked SuZe or Mirandas crazy proportions... THAT'S what they've shown almost exclusivly for marketing, most female gamers that never played ME1 probobly look at this game as just another shooter crowd, male oriented title.

The female options for romance are there as a courtesy to the people who have femsheps already, don't dilude yourself into thinking otherwise...

[Mox Ruuga]

octoberfire wrote...

Except that you are incapable of giving your opinion without belittling the people who are in support of the romances.

Ugh. Why am I even reasoning with you?

Why don't you stop then? It's the old "wrestling with pigs" thing, you only get dirty and the pig likes it.

[diskoh]

octoberfire wrote...

And since disk space was a limiting factor in ME2, then same sex content was dropped altogether rather than forcing female gamers to get "shorted" again.

Oh god this stupid argument again.

He's got a point, they had to save room for fish tanks and toilets. <_<

[Eternal Dust]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Except that you are incapable of giving your opinion without belittling the people who are in support of the romances.

Ugh. Why am I even reasoning with you?

Why don't you stop then? It's the old "wrestling with pigs" thing, you only get dirty and the pig likes it.

I probably will. It won't surprise me that by tomorrow all these threads will be locked *sigh*