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[TheWhitefire]

Okay, so I was just replaying Dragon Age Origins, and I've heard a lot of talk that Inquisition is going to start at the Temple of the Ashes. This brings up an interesting question...

What if you sided with Kolgrim? I only just did that for the first time in my current DA:O playthrough, so I have no idea how it effects DA:II (I'd not mind some spoilers, so feel free to spoil away), but I am curious how we think this might effect Dragon Age Inquisition. I am curious as to what just became of Kolgrim.

[Eveangaline]

Considering the whole thing is the focus of the huge fade rip at the beginning of the game (perhaps because, as ohgren tells you if you take him with you to it, it's sitting on a HUGE amount of lyrium) I don't know if the ashes or the cult themselves even exist anymore. They probably got destroyed or fell into the fade with everything else.

[thats1evildude]

Flash-fried with the rest of his moronic cult, hopefully.

[Sir Froggie]

Seeing that the Chantry are the ones calling the peace conference, I would imagine that they would have sent the templars/seekers to kill or run off Kolgrim and his possie.

[Grieving Natashina]

Seeing that the Chantry are the ones calling the peace conference, I would imagine that they would have sent the templars/seekers to kill or run off Kolgrim and his possie.

The "Reborn Andraste" would have to be taken care of as well, but I'm sure enough trained Seekers and Templars could take her out.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The "Reborn Andraste" would have to be taken care of as well, but I'm sure enough trained Seekers and Templars could take her out.

All the Chantry needs is one: a woman by the name of Cassandra Pentaghast. 

[Grieving Natashina]

All the Chantry needs is one: a woman by the name of Cassandra Pentaghast. 

True, and there is no doubt in my mind that she'll be at the Peace Summit.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

True, and there is no doubt in my mind that she'll be at the Peace Summit.

Well, not there when the peace summit was happening. Otherwise she'd be dead or if not then she would know the Inquisitor is innocent since she would have seen what actually happened. 

[Sir Froggie]

Cassandra's likely running late because she was to busy listening to Varric's long-winded stories. You know how he likes to carry on.

[TheWhitefire]

Well, if I remember correctly, the Dragon is taken care of by Leliana and some Templars if you let Genitivi live but don't kill the dragon yourself. However, if you kill Genitivi, then they don't even realize that the Temple is there. However, I'm assuming this is a case of "Well, we didn't, but we do now because Leliana told us (presumably)." Although I'm not sure how Leliana is going to explain why one of the most sacred relics in the Chantry's history has been destroyed by dragon blood... *cough cough*.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, if I remember correctly, the Dragon is taken care of by Leliana and some Templars if you let Genitivi live but don't kill the dragon yourself. However, if you kill Genitivi, then they don't even realize that the Temple is there. However, I'm assuming this is a case of "Well, we didn't, but we do now because Leliana told us (presumably)." Although I'm not sure how Leliana is going to explain why one of the most sacred relics in the Chantry's history has been destroyed by dragon blood... *cough cough*.

You don't have to recruit leliana.

[Momiji.mii]

Where does the information about the peace summit taking place at the Mountain of Ashes come from? I hadn't heard that, though I suppose that it makes sense that the Chantry would want to use that place for it's symbolic value.

[TheWhitefire]

You don't have to recruit leliana.

True enough, still begs the question of how they found the place. Although, if I were to pick someone outside of Genitivi who could, it'd be Leliana.

[TheWhitefire]

www.ausgamers.com/features/read/3432915

The explosion from the beginning of the game was said by Cameron Lee to take place at the temple of the Urn of Sacred Ashes.

[TheKomandorShepard]

True enough, still begs the question of how they found the place. Although, if I were to pick someone outside of Genitivi who could, it'd be Leliana.

This is probably out of laziness same they did with Anders practically you could send guy on his execution then somehow he always is warden in da 2 and always meet justice.

[Sir Froggie]

I only ever helped Kolgrim once and if I remember correctly, after the Blight, the dragon cult begins to expand beyond Haven. Likely so they can 1. replenish their numbers after you ransack them and 2. to find food for the dragon and it's children. Eventually the Chantry will atempt to clear out the heretics. It's also possible that the dragon will leave to find food on it's own and people will enentually see it and inform the local authorities. You don't need the ashes as an excuse to remove Kolgrim, from that point it's fairly easy to find the ashes.

[TheWhitefire]

When I did it, I killed Genitivi so all the end card said was that they declared that the temple likely never existed.

@Komandor: I doubt this, and I think it likely has to do with the fact that A) It's been 10 years and your use of the Sacred Ashes to heal an Arl have become a widespread tale. It's not laziness to suppose that one of your many companions let slip the location of the ashes after they left your side and the Chantry decided to clear the place out and find them for themselves. The Temple is an important place in the story, and a wonderful symbol of the power of faith, as well as how easily corrupted it can become, a common theme in the Dragon Age games.

[LilyasAvalon]

True enough, still begs the question of how they found the place. Although, if I were to pick someone outside of Genitivi who could, it'd be Leliana.

 

My headcanon for Leliana not being recruited is that she followed the Warden anyway. Which would explain how she talks of them as if she knows them personally.

[TheKomandorShepard]

When I did it, I killed Genitivi so all the end card said was that they declared that the temple likely never existed.

@Komandor: I doubt this, and I think it likely has to do with the fact that A) It's been 10 years and your use of the Sacred Ashes to heal an Arl have become a widespread tale. It's not laziness to suppose that one of your many companions let slip the location of the ashes after they left your side and the Chantry decided to clear the place out and find them for themselves. The Temple is an important place in the story, and a wonderful symbol of the power of faith, as well as how easily corrupted it can become, a common theme in the Dragon Age games.

 

It is laziness they just include one scenario when there is a lot possibilities like they did with Anders.

1)The warden can kill genitivi with reason that ashes couldn't be found practically the warden can be only living person that know where ashes are and in fact he can take this to the grave if you die in the end.Companions aren't forced you can end of the game with only 1 companion alistair and he can die in 2 different moments in the game.So ultimately everyone that know (always) about ashes (i mean location and any clues) can be dead including the warden.

 

So ultimately all it left is rumor that arl eamon was healed by ashes no clues no witnesses.

 

 

Same they did with Anders and to be honest with leliana if you killed her.

 

My headcanon for Leliana not being recruited is that she followed the Warden anyway. Which would explain how she talks of them as if she knows them personally.

 

It is one of the proves that devs were lazy but it is more likely bug as her codex (That also is bugged) says that she went straight to orlais.Besides there is no reason at all to follow the warden.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It is one of the proves that devs were lazy but it is more likely bug as her codex (That also is bugged) says that she went straight to orlais.Besides there is no reason at all to follow the warden.

Um, there is a big reason for her to follow the Warden: her vision to aid them. Whether you believe the vision is real or not, she thought it was and thus would follow its promptings. 

[TheWhitefire]

How is it impractical that the Chantry finds them? Genitivi found the temple before you ever did, and all it would take is one of the small camp of scholars to reevaluate Genitivi's work to find them again---after all, the guy went on a trip into the mountains and disappeared. Plus, by the sounds of the End Card, the Chantry did know the ruins were there based on Genitivi's work, but after not finding the ashes (or finding them tainted by dragon blood and guarded by a half-mad cult and a High Dragon) ultimately decided it was better not to tell people, and thus possibly risk their cultural hegemony over most of Thedas.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Whitefire, I've had this discussion with TKS before. Trust me when I say it won't go anywhere. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Um, there is a big reason for her to follow the Warden: her vision to aid them. Whether you believe the vision is real or not, she thought it was and thus would follow its promptings. 

And how she was helping lol you refused her so there is no reason to follow him she wanted help if you didn't take her she didn't even her codex says she left blight behind and went straight to orlais. Unless she is so mentaly unstable that she think that stalking is helping well...

 

How is it impractical that the Chantry finds them? Genitivi found the temple before you ever did, and all it would take is one of the small camp of scholars to reevaluate Genitivi's work to find them again---after all, the guy went on a trip into the mountains and disappeared. Plus, by the sounds of the End Card, the Chantry did know the ruins were there based on Genitivi's work, but after not finding the ashes (or finding them tainted by dragon blood and guarded by a half-mad cult and a High Dragon) ultimately decided it was better not to tell people, and thus possibly risk their cultural hegemony over most of Thedas.

It is. First your informations are wrong Genitivi never found the temple he didn't even knew about cultists and where is temple at first place.As he says it was pure luke so nope... Most of his informations were from cultist priest who taunted him.Not mention that the warden took Genitivi notes.

[Mistic]

How is it impractical that the Chantry finds them? Genitivi found the temple before you ever did, and all it would take is one of the small camp of scholars to reevaluate Genitivi's work to find them again---after all, the guy went on a trip into the mountains and disappeared. Plus, by the sounds of the End Card, the Chantry did know the ruins were there based on Genitivi's work, but after not finding the ashes (or finding them tainted by dragon blood and guarded by a half-mad cult and a High Dragon) ultimately decided it was better not to tell people, and thus possibly risk their cultural hegemony over most of Thedas.

 

Exactly.

 

Genitivi's research:

Amidst ramblings about local legends and ancient trade routes, one passage stands out. "The village of Haven in the Frostbacks seems a good place to start. Pity it's not on any maps."

 

A single passage sent the Warden in the right direction to find the urn. You just need a single letter from Genitivi to one of his scholar friends mentioning that Haven could be a good place to start doing archaeology for Genitivi's death not to be in vain. Since several people who know that the ashes do exist survive at the end of DA:O, it's very likely for the Chantry to find the temple in 10 years. I mean, the Warden found them even when doubting they existed at all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Exactly.

 

Genitivi's research:

Amidst ramblings about local legends and ancient trade routes, one passage stands out. "The village of Haven in the Frostbacks seems a good place to start. Pity it's not on any maps."

 

A single passage sent the Warden in the right direction to find the urn. You just need a single letter from Genitivi to one of his scholar friends mentioning that Haven could be a good place to start doing archaeology for Genitivi's death not to be in vain. Since several people who know that the ashes do exist survive at the end of DA:O, it's very likely for the Chantry to find the temple in 10 years. I mean, the Warden found them even when doubting they existed at all.

As he said he found that information by pure luck then most information he got from cultist priest.The warden found it first because cultist set up their peoples (nice idiot ball on their side) and thanks to genitivi diary that he took.

 

Few peoples if good word and how no idea and i doubt that 2 possible peoples that know that commited their life to found urn.Most in fact was skeptical in that matter.

 

Not mention that temple was not found for 1000+/- years says a lot.