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Theory, pregnant biotics can give birth to biotic children, thanks to their eezo nodes.


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How I understand to ME lore - probably no.

 

Fetus in womb is affected by particles of eezo from blood strain of mother exposed to eezo microdust.  If only indirect exposure would work just regular traveling through relay with huge eezo core would created army of biotics.



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How I understand to ME lore - probably no.

 

Fetus in womb is affected by particles of eezo from blood strain of mother exposed to eezo microdust.  If only indirect exposure would work just regular traveling through relay with huge eezo core would created army of biotics.

 

Remember that not all accidental-exposure subjects develop biotic abilities. In fact, according to the lore, they're more prone to develop cancer. Or nothing at all.

 

That only reaffirms my theory that it must be possible just to "create" biotics. It just doesn't add their numbers to their theoretical only way of becoming one.



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How I understand to ME lore - probably no.

 

Fetus in womb is affected by particles of eezo from blood strain of mother exposed to eezo microdust.  If only indirect exposure would work just regular traveling through relay with huge eezo core would created army of biotics.

I'm not entirely clear what you mean. Do you mean biotics actually have to absorb some of the eezo instead of merely being exposed to it, so they would end up actually weakening their mother's biotic ability by absorbing some of her nodes?

 

This thread is mainly me trying to figure out how Asari gain eezo nodes in their body by default when developing inside their mother even when their mother never goes anywhere near the element during pregnancy. The thread idea is what I came up with. I also used this idea to explain my Earthborn vanguard Shepard's first exposure, his mother was a biotic who's own internal eezo was the first exposure's source (official canon timeline says Shepard got a small exposure in the womb and then a bigger second exposure later after being born). But I wanted to see if other people thought this idea worked for explaining Asari all being born biotic.



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I'm not entirely clear what you mean. Do you mean biotics actually have to absorb some of the eezo instead of merely being exposed to it, so they would end up actually weakening their mother's biotic ability by absorbing some of her nodes?

 

This thread is mainly me trying to figure out how Asari gain eezo nodes in their body by default when developing inside their mother even when their mother never goes anywhere near the element during pregnancy. The thread idea is what I came up with. I also used this idea to explain my Earthborn vanguard Shepard's first exposure, his mother was a biotic who's own internal eezo was the first exposure's source (official canon timeline says Shepard got a small exposure in the womb and then a bigger second exposure later after being born). But I wanted to see if other people thought this idea worked for explaining Asari all being born biotic.

 

Their planet = exposure to eezo.



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Their planet = exposure to eezo.

I know. But what about pregnant Asari who are on colony planets with little to no eezo content whatsoever still giving birth to Asari that have as much biotic potential as Asari born on Thessia? Explain that. That is what this thread's point is.



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I'm not entirely clear what you mean. Do you mean biotics actually have to absorb some of the eezo instead of merely being exposed to it, so they would end up actually weakening their mother's biotic ability by absorbing some of her nodes?

 

This thread is mainly me trying to figure out how Asari gain eezo nodes in their body by default when developing inside their mother even when their mother never goes anywhere near the element during pregnancy. The thread idea is what I came up with. I also used this idea to explain my Earthborn vanguard Shepard's first exposure, his mother was a biotic who's own internal eezo was the first exposure's source. But I wanted to see if other people thought this idea worked for explaining Asari all being born biotic.

 

About asari I think it is result of evolution, especially when asari can chose genetic traits for their child. If biotic is partially (f.e. like recessive gene) hereditary , biotic surely was one of desired traits so after generations of accidental exposure of first asari it would become standard trait.

 

And about exposure - yes, I think they have to absorb some particles during pregnancy. Other galactic civilizations are exposed to eezo technology for very long time yet rate of biotics isn't visibly higher then humans (except asari, of course). So whole process have to be more complicated and rare then simple "eezo radiations near pregnant woman". 



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I know. But what about pregnant Asari who are on colony planets with little to no eezo content whatsoever still giving birth to Asari that have as much biotic potential as Asari born on Thessia? Explain that. That is what this thread's point is.

 

Constant expose to Eezo has made their bodies symbiotic with eezo. Or something handwaivy like that.



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Constant expose to Eezo has made their bodies symbiotic with eezo. Or something handwaivy like that.

...So the eezo in the Asari's body causes the fetus to get exposed to it and and become biotically gifted. Sounds like you just agreed with me, despite different wording.



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And about exposure - yes, I think they have to absorb some particles during pregnancy. Other galactic civilizations are exposed to eezo technology for very long time yet rate of biotics isn't visibly higher then humans (except asari, of course). So whole process have to be more complicated and rare then simple "eezo radiations near pregnant woman". 

Well according to Kaidan only 1 in 10 cases of a fetus being exposed to eezo does it result in biotics (something like 30% get sever health problems like tumors, 60% get no affect at all, and the last 10% are the only ones that develop biotics). So even if my idea is true, it mostly just means biotic mother's children have fatal health issues more than children from non-biotics and that even 60% of the children of such parents who don't have tumors end up with no biotics anyway. That's the thing, you think it would make biotics more common because you neglect to think about how little that would happen even with this idea.

 

EDIT, found a source:

 

This site has all Kaidan dialogue in ME1, and here's what he said. Got the numbers wrong though, it's 60% that have no changes and 30% that get tumors. Think I'll edit that part in the above paragraph.

 

http://masseffect.li...507.html?nojs=1

 

Neutral (Shepard) – What’s the survival rate? Seems like you beat the odds. How many didn’t make it?

 
Kaidan: Out of a hundred? Maybe sixty have no effect. Thirty suffer “adverse effects.” Little things like brain cancer. The other ten show enough ability to augment with implants. Not always permanent, though. Not like the cancer. Next thing you know, you’re out on Jump Zero. How’s a kid supposed to deal with that? A station at the edge of human space?


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Well according to Kaidan only 1 in 10 cases of a fetus being exposed to eezo does it result in biotics (something like 60% get sever health problems like tumors, 30% get no affect at all, and the last 10% are the only ones that develop biotics). So even if my idea is true, it mostly just means biotic mother's children have fatal health issues more than children from non-biotics and that even 30% of the children of such parents who don't have tumors end up with no biotics anyway. That's the thing, you think it would make biotics more common because you neglect to think about how little that would happen even with this idea.

 

But you also now pointed out another problem of you theory - 60% health problems caused by exposure to eezo.

 

Such high mortality and genetic degeneration would surely have to some consequences and biotic woman would think twice about having implants during pregnancy. It would be like everyday drinking party for such fetus.



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But you also now pointed out another problem of you theory - 60% health problems caused by exposure to eezo.

 

Such high mortality and genetic degeneration would surely have to some consequences and biotic woman would think twice about having implants during pregnancy. It would be like everyday drinking party for such fetus.

Read the edit, got my numbers mixed up. It's 30% that get cancer, 60% just get a whole lotta nothing, other 10% get biotics. And Kaidan even says that sometimes the biotics in that 10% end up losing their biotic ability as they grow up.

 

http://masseffect.li...507.html?nojs=1

 

Neutral (Shepard) – What’s the survival rate? Seems like you beat the odds. How many didn’t make it?

 
Kaidan: Out of a hundred? Maybe sixty have no effect. Thirty suffer “adverse effects.” Little things like brain cancer. The other ten show enough ability to augment with implants. Not always permanent, though. Not like the cancer. Next thing you know, you’re out on Jump Zero. How’s a kid supposed to deal with that? A station at the edge of human space?


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Read the edit, got my numbers mixed up. It's 30% that get cancer, 60% just get a whole lotta nothing, other 10% get biotics. And Kaidan even says that sometimes the biotics in that 10% end up losing their biotic ability as they grow up.

 

 

 

Still great risk for every biotic mother. Just look about risks of hard smoking during pregnancy.

 

20% - low weight

14% - preterm delivery

10% - death

 

And most woman rather stop smoking and drinking during pregnancy to avoid it. And if biotic implants would affect baby in similar rate would mothers risk it or rather they preemptively remove their implants during pregnancy? 



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Still great risk for every biotic mother. Just look about risks of hard smoking during pregnancy.

 

20% - low weight

14% - preterm delivery

10% - death

 

And most woman rather stop smoking and drinking during pregnancy to avoid it. And if biotic implants would affect baby in similar rate would mothers risk it or rather they preemptively remove their implants during pregnancy? 

 

The eezo nodes inside the nervous system itself is what would cause it, having your amp and implant installed or not would be totally irrelevant to the fetus inside a biotic mother. It's more a question of whether the mother would want to abort or not because of the extra 30% that their child could be born with brain cancer. The choices would be have the child and risk them dying young anyway or abort them while they're still a fetus to save them the potential later pain.

 

I don't like bringing up a touchy political subject like abortion, but it really is the only option if a biotic mother is worried about her eezo nodes killing her child in a painful and protracted manner after they're born.