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[dreamgazer]

Disagree, the game had problems way before the ending hit.

 

The whole series has problems. ME2's are even worse than most of ME3's, and at least they didn't go the dark energy route with the ending. 

[Drone223]

Not really considering Drew K laid out the groundwork which they seemed to follow, and I also have my issues with ME2. It wasn't until ME3 where Mac fully took on the reigns, and it shows.

Drew K also made the proposed "Dark energy" ending where the reapers create the mass relay's which create lots of dark energy to stop life from destroying the universe with dark energy, and the final two choices let the reapers harvest humanity for futile attempt to save the universe, or kill them and doom the universe.

[dreamgazer]

It's possible for someone to just have a bad round, you know. Amy Hennig is on the Mount Rushmore of video game writers, but a lot of people disliked the direction she took Uncharted 3 in. It's pointless to say you should give Mac another chance (since it's your money, do whatever you want) but stinkers aren't out of the ordinary even for great writers.

 

I don't disagree with you whatsoever here, Crono, but Mac's also got the Foundation comics under his belt, and they're not getting much praise, either.

[CronoDragoon]

I don't disagree with you whatsoever here, Crono, but Mac's also got the Foundation comics under his belt, and they're not getting much praise, either.

 

Yeah, I really am not doing myself any favors comparing Hennig and Walters. But still, I don't think ME3's ending will be indicative of ME4's writing...mostly because I think they learned their lesson about peer review.

 

He wrote the Liara comic that bridges the ME2 intro with the rest, right? I thought it was pretty terribly written. Even Drew's books I can say I enjoyed at least the backstory it gave but I really would have been better off concocting my own version in my head for that comic.

[Mathias]

It's possible for someone to just have a bad round, you know. Amy Hennig is on the Mount Rushmore of video game writers, but a lot of people disliked the direction she took Uncharted 3 in. It's pointless to say you should give Mac another chance (since it's your money, do whatever you want) but stinkers aren't out of the ordinary even for great writers (not that I think anything besides the ending stunk).

 

 

That's fine if you feel that way. Many disagree but that doesn't mean squat when it comes to whether you'll personally like the next ME game.

 

And many would agree.

 

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These are all very common complaints with the game, it's not just my opinion.

[Mathias]

The whole series has problems. ME2's are even worse than most of ME3's, and at least they didn't go the dark energy route with the ending. 

 

ME2's problems didn't cause a massive ****storm unlike ME3's. So I don't feel like ME2's issues are on par with ME3's.

[dreamgazer]

And many would agree.

 

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These are all very common complaints with the game, it's not just my opinion.

 

He's entirely responsible for exactly one of those.

[dreamgazer]

ME2's problems didn't cause a massive ****storm unlike ME3's. So I don't feel like ME2's issues are on par with ME3's.

 

Go back and read the archived BSN threads around ME2's release.  

 

Plot with no relevance to the main story, forced cooperation with Cerberus, Baby Reaper, stripped-down RPG elements, choices ... they were all heavily criticized.

[CronoDragoon]

These are all very common complaints with the game, it's not just my opinion.

 

I didn't say it was just your opinion.

 

"Many" is relative to the selection of the sample population you choose. Immediately after release the majority opinion on the BSN was that ME3 was a masterpiece until the ending, and the BSN was about as vitriolic as any place.

 

Nobody knows any stats about what the majority of "ME fans" thought about ME3, so I can only go by what I saw.

 

None of this is to say your opinion on the rest of ME3 isn't valid.

[Grieving Natashina]

It was vague. Didn't really gave any information so I'll wait till I know more.  Then decide what I'm going to do.  

I just finished the series for the first time, as in last week.  After seeing "Concept Prototype" on all the shots of the galaxy map and such from the trailer, I think it's just way too early to tell.

 

It does make me wonder how they are going to canonize the ending.  Somehow, I doubt that Synthesis would work well.  Maybe Control, but even then it seems a stretch.  Maybe taking the Destroy ending and handwaving the death of all synthetics?  Otherwise, I have no clue and it's something that's probably going to puzzle me for the next year until they have more information about ME: Next for us.

[Mathias]

Go back and read the archived BSN threads around ME2's release. 

 

 

I remember it well, you're insane if you think the complaining about ME2 was on par with ME3. I'm not having this discussion with you.

[CronoDragoon]

It does make me wonder how they are going to canonize the ending.  Somehow, I doubt that Synthesis would work well.  Maybe Control, but even then it seems a stretch.  Maybe taking the Destroy ending and handwaving the death of all synthetics?  Otherwise, I have no clue and it's something that's probably going to puzzle me for the next year until they have more information about ME: Next for us.

 

Homogenization by omission most likely. Synthesis players are going to be screwed, but there are ways to mesh Control and Destroy without outright saying one or the other.

[dreamgazer]

I remember it well, you're insane if you think the complaining about ME2 was on par with ME3. I'm not having this discussion with you.

 

I'll agree with you about ME3's ending, but the gripes are just about the same outside of that, and ME3 even improved on some of the areas where ME2 stumbled.

[SNascimento]

Go back and read the archived BSN threads around ME2's release.  

 

Plot with no relevance to the main story, forced cooperation with Cerberus, Baby Reaper, stripped-down RPG elements, choices ... they were all heavily criticized.

Make sure to see the polls too. Which show the majority believe ME2 was the best Mass Effect game. 

Mass Effect 2 is widely regarded as the best Mass Effect game, and it really is when the franchise become top tier. 

[CronoDragoon]

I remember it well, you're insane if you think the complaining about ME2 was on par with ME3. I'm not having this discussion with you.

 

Excluding ME3's ending, it's about on par.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

ME2 is great as a standalone game. 

But as a part of a series, it sucked. 

[andy6915]

The shot of someone in N7 armor doesn't confirm anything. N7 could be a program that, like the STG or Spectre, lasts centuries. And in ME3, the N7 program was opened to aliens too. So it's quite possible that even if you can choose your race that your character is N7 just like Shepard was. Even if the game takes place in 2385 or something, N7 could still be around and aliens still being part of the program.

[dreamgazer]

ME2 is great as a standalone game. 

But as a part of a series, it sucked. 

 

Yup.

[Grieving Natashina]

Homogenization by omission most likely. Synthesis players are going to be screwed, but there are ways to mesh Control and Destroy without outright saying one or the other.

I was discussing with my husband and we both pretty much felt the same way.  I predict a "purple" version of the endings in the future.  

 

I'm a Synthesis player, but I'd be fine with a mix of the Destroy and Control endings.  Synthesis just seemed too Utopian to me, so I'll say that Shepard did it in an alternate reality.  I'll wait and see where the ME team takes us from there.

 

 

ME2 is great as a standalone game. 

But as a part of a series, it sucked. 

I felt that about ME1, but different strokes.  

[dreamgazer]

Make sure to see the polls too. Which show the majority believe ME2 was the best Mass Effect game. 

Mass Effect 2 is widely regarded as the best Mass Effect game, and it really is when the franchise become top tier. 

 

Best poll I could find was 64%-36% in favor of ME2, conducted around the game's release.  

 

Not bad, but not much of a majority.  Definitely worth reading the comments, too.

[SNascimento]

Best poll I could find was 64%-36% in favor of ME2, conducted around the game's release.  

 

Not bad, but not much of a majority.  Definitely worth reading the comments, too.

That's a significant majority. And other polls will just confirm this.

[dreamgazer]

That's a significant majority. And other polls will just confirm this.

 

Debatable. Wouldn't quite cut it in government.

 

It's interesting to note how many of the comments in the poll are all about gameplay in ME2 being improved, whereas most easily preferred the story in ME1.

 

You also see a lot of mentions about it not being an RPG, being "soulless" and "dumbed down".

[SNascimento]

Debatable. Wouldn't quite cut it in government.

 

I want you to slowly explain to me how that poll doesn't show that the majority of players didn't prefer ME2 over ME1. 

[AlanC9]

Homogenization by omission most likely. Synthesis players are going to be screwed, but there are ways to mesh Control and Destroy without outright saying one or the other.

I don't think too many of the Synthesis players will feel that way. Many of them, from the small sample size I have, seem to feel that Synthesis was too good for a sequel anyhow.

[dreamgazer]

I want you to slowly explain to me how that poll doesn't show that the majority of players didn't prefer ME2 over ME1. 

 

I want you to slowly explain to me how that poll, along with the comments, shows that the majority of players prefer the writing in ME2 over ME1.