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[CronoDragoon]

If the cash from the deal is used to make the dlc better, then the benefits from the deal get passed on to ps4 users as well, which means this is a win for everyone (albeit one month or whatever later for me at ps4). If EA just pockets the cash as extra profit, then that sucks but is not a dealbreaker of any kind. I'll just buy it when it comes out for ps4.

[Eleinehmm]

 

 

 

I feel sorry for people who forked out full price for skyrim; I just recently picked up the legendary edition for like 20aud. I'll probably do the same thing with DAI.

 

Wait a few months, and there'll be a price crash on the game,(a much quicker drop for the 360 and PS3 versions,probably).

 

Don't buy into the hype, people.

 

 

Since I will be right in the middle of a major move in september-october, I don't think I will be able to pick it up at the release day. The thing is,I love social bioware and I would hate to stay away from the forums cause "SPOILERTIME".  As far as I understand people are more angry at the DLC delay because they won't be able to talk about the game here without getting spoiled by the X-BOX folks. 

[BigEvil]

It's disappointing to be sure, but I know I'm still going to buy DA:I and the DLC (at the moment my platform is in the air, either PS3 or PC, but I need the PC requirements to know for sure) when it turns up. The real pain is going to be avoiding spoilers (if the DLC is story content) on here. We all know nobody around here can contain spoilers, I had to leave for a week while waiting for the UK release of Masked Empire, and if the deal is like the Skyrim deal that's gonna be a hellish month.

[DavoRaydn]

Secondly, this might not be the first time it has happened, but it's the first time it has been so obviously blatant. EA went where the money is again. They constantly bang on about how gamers are important  to them and yet side with a company who doesnt give a **** about them. This isn't a mistake this is downright robbery. Caring about customers involves not doing the things they dont like and stealing content from a rival company because your marketing team is too stupid to realise fans wont be treated like idiots is bullshit.  Level headed consumers wouldn't shrug their shoulders at being stiffed by a company. That's not level headed thats ignorant. I dont particularly care about destiny as I probably wont be playing it. If EA had done it with that game I wouldn't care.

 

What I do care about is the hypocrisy of EA telling us how they're all about the gamer and then pulling **** like this off. I as a paying customer should have the same chance at playing the DLC as the next guy. I shouldnt have to wait x amount of months because of some boardroom deal.

 

 

All I take from this little rant is : weh weh ... I can't get MY stuff NOW!! ...really, "this is downright robbery" hahahahaha...

so EA can do what they want , but not with the game you "care"about...maybe not such a good idea for some to throw around words like hypocrisy and ignorant.

 

I'll just play the game on PC, when the dlc comes out fpr pc, i will get it or not...easy as that.

 

yes, you are a paying xustomer, but that is your choice. You have several options available. You can not buy the game if this bothers you so much or you can play on Xbox should you have one, or you can wait a little...what is the big deal?? 

 

but yeah can never get enough of MS or EA bashing.

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[Ajna]

I'm so tired of console wars, I remember when pretty much all games were PC games, I'm old, I hate the push towards console gaming, I refuse! I love my precioussss!

[TheTurtle]

It's posts like this that reinforce my supposition that anyone who uses the word "entitlement" in a forum post is probably trolling.

 

When you pay 60 bucks for a piece of interactive media, you are entitled to certain reasonable expectations. Just like when you buy a car you're entitled to expect the thing not to randomly turn itself off just because you have a rabbit's foot on your keychain, or to explode in a low-speed rear-end collision, or to roll over when you take a curve at 35 miles an hour.

 

The difference is that when a game fails to meet your reasonable expectations, you post your disgruntlement online, maybe cancel a pending pre-order, maybe even return the game for a refund. When your car tries to kill you, you sue the manufacturer. Both are pretty damn reasonable under the circumstances, "gamer entitlement" posts and insurance lobby funded "tort reform" legislation notwithstanding.

Okay let's get one thing straight I am not a troll, never will I be a troll and I don't plan on starting now. For one I'm terrible at it if I write something it's because I believe it and mean it. Two, I don't care about rustling the jimmies of a bunch people I've never met over the internet, I've found there are better ways to spend my time. Lastly never start out your argument by insinuating that your opponent is a troll it just makes me take you less seriously. 

 

Now it is true that when you pay $60 for a game you are entitled to have reasonable expectations. For example you are entitled to hoping and wanting the game to work I mean you paid $60 dollars for a working game right why shouldn't it work? You're entitled to a game with at least a decent story and combat because the devs have promised that and you're making your purchase based on those promises. However DLC is not something you're entitled to why, because you haven't paid for it. You paid for Dragon Age: Inquisition the standalone game not the DLC that follows. That cost extra money, that is an entirely different entity. If you had paid for DA:I plus the DLC then you have a reason to be upset when you find out the DLC you paid for will be delayed, but as of now no you're not entitled to it. 

 

Oh and if you go and read my comment you will notice that I say some people actually have good points, but all you have to do is look at the comment above that one to see the entitled gamer stereotype at work.

[Nimlowyn]

I'm a PC gamer. So Xbox players get to play with part of their toy a bit sooner. Seems very much a "who cares" kind of scenario to me. 

[CronoDragoon]

I disagree that you are entitled to a game with a decent story and combat. I'm not entitled to anything that could be considered a subjective judgment. If I expect a decent story and combat, its because of my experience with previous be games, not because that is what their marketing says.

[Ibn_Shisha]

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Now it is true that when you pay $60 for a game you are entitled to have reasonable expectations. For example you are entitled to hoping and wanting the game to work I mean you paid $60 dollars for a working game right why shouldn't it work? You're entitled to a game with at least a decent story and combat because the devs have promised that and you're making your purchase based on those promises. However DLC is not something you're entitled to why, because you haven't paid for it. You paid for Dragon Age: Inquisition the standalone game not the DLC that follows. That cost extra money, that is an entirely different entity. If you had paid for DA:I plus the DLC then you have a reason to be upset when you find out the DLC you paid for will be delayed, but as of now no you're not entitled to it. 

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The argument; however, could be made that if I'm paying the same price for the game as an XB person, and paying the same price for the dlc as the XB person, that getting the DLC at the same time is a reasonable expectation.  Charging me the same price for PS4 dlc as the XB1 dlc but giving it to me a month later, that's like if I ran a drive-thru hamburger joint, and I charged everyone the same price for hamburgers, but because the local Ford dealer gave me a loan to buy the place, I would let Ford drivers go to the front of the drive-thru line everytime, making non-Ford drivers wait (but still charging them the same price).

 

disclaimer: No affiliation with Ford or any hamburger shop is claimed.  The situation above is an entirely hypothetical analogy (I hope - lunch time is coming up soon, and I drive a Chrysler).

[Sanunes]

The argument; however, could be made that if I'm paying the same price for the game as an XB person, and paying the same price for the dlc as the XB person, that getting the DLC at the same time is a reasonable expectation.  Charging me the same price for PS4 dlc as the XB1 dlc but giving it to me a month later, that's like if I ran a drive-thru hamburger joint, and I charged everyone the same price for hamburgers, but because the local Ford dealer gave me a loan to buy the place, I would let Ford drivers go to the front of the drive-thru line everytime, making non-Ford drivers wait (but still charging them the same price).

 

disclaimer: No affiliation with Ford or any hamburger shop is claimed.  The situation above is an entirely hypothetical analogy (I hope - lunch time is coming up soon, and I drive a Chrysler).

 

This is something that goes on in other areas of media as well, for I think it was Europe and other territories had Amazing Spider-Man 2 showing for two weeks before it was released in North America. So should we get a discount for going to see Amazing Spider-Man 2 or other countries get a discount because movies can open months apart between North America and their respective countries?

[Quill74Pen]

As a console *and* PC gamer, deals that lock off a portion of any game's DLC content — regardless of how long the "timer" runs — severely disappoints me.

 

But, will EA give a damn? Hell no. The only way they'll give two bits about their customers is if their customers are also their stockholders and decide to sell off their EA holdings. That, or swarm the board meetings expressing their disapproval. Then, and only then, will you get EA's attention.

[Ibn_Shisha]

This is something that goes on in other areas of media as well, for I think it was Europe and other territories had Amazing Spider-Man 2 showing for two weeks before it was released in North America. So should we get a discount for going to see Amazing Spider-Man 2 or other countries get a discount because movies can open months apart between North America and their respective countries?

Absolutely!

 

Though, come to think of it, the one 'worldwide simultaneous release' I know of (which I went to, in Japan) was more deserving of a refund... No offense intended to any Matrix: Revolutions fans

[Ravenmyste]

I'm sure if you go look at the premium edition you will see a bunch of stuff that was taken out of the game just to make it.

 the deluxe will be differents  from the day one i hope and since they even stated no new companions dlc and its locked at 9 that means the timed exclsuyive is  either going to be appearance packs or weapons that are not in the deluxe... and maybe throw in region thats was made befoere the game goes gold

[laudable11]

It's just so hypocritical. BioWare/EA said "no day one DLC companions". Now THIS happens. It is repugnant.

[Gnoster]

Whether this is a big deal or not remains to be seen unfortunately as Microsoft, EA, and Bioware remain silent on the issue.

 

As I see it three questions are presenting themselves:

 

1) Precisely what type of content are we talking about? And I am not talking whether it's DLC or not, but if it's gear, an entire new adventure zone, companion, or what

 

2) What sort of timing are we talking about? If it comes out for Xbox One owners on release, does that mean 1 week after for PS4 and PC owners, 1 month or 1 year?

 

3) Once it does come out for PS4 and PC, how does it come out; as a paid DLC or for free as the XBox One seems (?) to get it since it's premium?

 

Depending on answers to these questions, this could be a huge deal for me. I am not the type to replay DA games 10+ times as others, and if I have to wait e.g. 1-2 months to play the full game as it was meant to be played, then I would like to know in advance. Honestly though I am more annoyed that neither EA nor Bioware have answered the above questions than the act of denying content for a time to some players because they have the "wrong" platform.

 

While I understanding the business decision behind doing something like this, I do find it interesting that EA staged a press conference, which focused heavily on "we are listening to our customers" (probably in order to move away from their reputation, be it earned or not), but at the same time they choose to potentially alienate a lot of customers by stuff like this.

[Allan Schumacher]

You know for some reason posts like this always make me wanna ask one thing, what system do the devs perfer to play on?

Know it most likely won't get answered but was so curious had to ask.

 

I'm a PC gamer.

[Allan Schumacher]

As far as I understand people are more angry at the DLC delay because they won't be able to talk about the game here without getting spoiled by the X-BOX folks.

 

I don't think so.  I think people are much more upset because it feels unfair that one platform gets access to content sooner than other platforms.

 

 

 

 

Secondly, this might not be the first time it has happened, but it's the first time it has been so obviously blatant. EA went where the money is again. They constantly bang on about how gamers are important  to them and yet side with a company who doesnt give a **** about them.

 

It's funny because we *could* have hidden the fact and released the information later (we'd probably get more money from it as well), but we're being rather up front about it, and now getting chastized about it for being "blatant."  I remember exclusive access to *full games* for a certain duration of time.  I remember having to hope that KOTOR would be a PC release, and having to pass on Jade Empire because it wasn't a paid release.

 

If you feel that this is just us being even more blatant with being greedy jerks, I'll simply conclude "at least you now have the time to make an informed decision rather than learning about it after you've already bought the game.  If being open about this stuff is being blatantly greedy, then I'll take blatantly greedy because it stops people from being ripped off.

 

 

Yes, we make decisions to help mitigate risk.  Yes, we make decisions because we think that the benefits will outweigh the costs.  I'm not particularly a fan of stuff like this because of the perception it gives.  But I'm also not equipped to say that I'd never do it, because I don't know the details.  I can't say that there's no price point, because I know that even if I was independent that there'd be a price point where I'd go "this ultimately lets me do more of the fans of the game, even if it's something that makes them upset in the short term."

 

But if you're going to get upset with us because we're being open and upfront about it then what I'm now reading is "I would prefer that you had kept this information from us so it would look as bad."  Except that I'm pretty sure people would still be quite angry (and probably more so, and probably with better reason) if we did that.

[Archereon]

I don't think so.  I think people are much more upset because it feels unfair that one platform gets access to content sooner than other platforms.

 

 

 

 

 

It's funny because we *could* have hidden the fact and released the information later (we'd probably get more money from it as well), but we're being rather up front about it, and now getting chastized about it for being "blatant."  I remember exclusive access to *full games* for a certain duration of time.  I remember having to hope that KOTOR would be a PC release, and having to pass on Jade Empire because it wasn't a paid release.

 

If you feel that this is just us being even more blatant with being greedy jerks, I'll simply conclude "at least you now have the time to make an informed decision rather than learning about it after you've already bought the game.  If being open about this stuff is being blatantly greedy, then I'll take blatantly greedy because it stops people from being ripped off.

 

I'm not particularly upset about the timed exclusivity since I'm not particularly put off by having to wait a month, which isn't that long when you get down to it, for a DLC that I likely won't buy without waiting a good amount of timefor word of mouth to give me an idea of its quality. What I do have a problem with is additional paid content that was developed before the game went gold and never was intended to be part of the final game; I'd honestly prefer to just pay $10.00 more for a complete product at launch than having the publisher attempt to sell it to me in pieces.

 

Now this practice is hardly unique to Dragon Age Inquisiton, BioWare, or even EA, and I don't really blame BioWare for premediated DLC as much as I blame the industry, but it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

So Xbox One gets the DLC first what about Xbox 360 users? I don't have $400 for either it or a PS4 and to be perfectly honest about there simply too few games beyond DA:I that I've seen in the various E3 coverage that I find remotely interesting on either new system.  

[schall_und_rauch]

This sort of thread makes me sad. It symbolizes everything that I do not like about the BSN: Envy!

 

Nobody knows the game yet. Nobody knows how much content they offer and how good the content they get for their money is.

Nobody knows what this DLC is about (other than it has a story). Nobody really knows anything about this DLC.

If this DLC would never exist, nobody would mourn it. If it was to be released only at the later date for everybody, nobody would complain.

If the DLC was handed in secret to the Xbox players a bit earlier, without anybody knowing, nobody would feel like they missed something.

 

This thread is not about something that anybody just has to expect, because without it, the game has to be incomplete, or not worth their money.

This thread is solely because somebody else gets something a bit earlier than you. "If that Xbox-player gets a DLC a month before me, I hate the evil corporate empire that has swallowed my pure, idealistic game company. Not because the game they put out is bad, but because he gets something and I don't!"

 

Distribution wars. Be it number of male vs. female companions, number of gay/bi/straight romances, race distribution, male vs. female inquisitor on the title, console vs. PC, sony vs. xbos, and once the game is out craftability of swords vs. staffs vs. bows -- it is (or will be) all over this forum.

 

I am excited and hyped for a game that already looks awesome. I don't want to spoil my sense of awe because some people endlessly screen "memememe"!

[Eleinehmm]

 

This sort of thread makes me sad. It symbolizes everything that I do not like about the BSN: Envy!

 

Nobody knows the game yet. Nobody knows how much content they offer and how good the content they get for their money is.

Nobody knows what this DLC is about (other than it has a story). Nobody really knows anything about this DLC.

If this DLC would never exist, nobody would mourn it. If it was to be released only at the later date for everybody, nobody would complain.

If the DLC was handed in secret to the Xbox players a bit earlier, without anybody knowing, nobody would feel like they missed something.

 

This thread is not about something that anybody just has to expect, because without it, the game has to be incomplete, or not worth their money.

This thread is solely because somebody else gets something a bit earlier than you. "If that Xbox-player gets a DLC a month before me, I hate the evil corporate empire that has swallowed my pure, idealistic game company. Not because the game they put out is bad, but because he gets something and I don't!"

 

Distribution wars. Be it number of male vs. female companions, number of gay/bi/straight romances, race distribution, male vs. female inquisitor on the title, console vs. PC, sony vs. xbos, and once the game is out craftability of swords vs. staffs vs. bows -- it is (or will be) all over this forum.

 

I am excited and hyped for a game that already looks awesome. I don't want to spoil my sense of awe because some people endlessly screen "memememe"!

 

 

 

So what do you think people should do ?  Say "Great move", no matter what is being done ?  As I have said it's probably not going to affect me, but I get why people are upset:   the fact that  you don't like people being upset about it doesn't mean that everyone should agree with all the decisions made by EA/Bioware.