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[Fredward]

The guys attempting to be all logical and objective about why this is a poor decision by pointing out that it's alienating PC and Playstation users - you realize whoever makes these decisions would have been well aware of this fact, yes? Which means the deal they made with Microsoft would have to have been enough to make up for the potentially alienated fans and then probably some extra added to make the deal appealing. It must've been a good business decision otherwise it wouldn't have been made. At the end of the day we're all zots to gaming companies folks, the devs might care, the people above the devs might care but the people making these organization wide decisions? They don't.

 

And I'd get the upset if this cold business decision had say made the game an Xbox/PS/PC exclusive and lord knows I get my jimmies rustled when cold business decisions lead to actual discrimination but in this case the cold business decision has literally only lead to some delayed gratification. And that is it. This is like a child throwing a tantrum because the other kids are getting ice cream before him, I get it, it's not fair but it's ice cream chill the **** out you'll get it in a second mkay? It is both hilarious and incredibly depressing that (presumably) grown adults are not inured to this kinda behaviour.

[Eveangaline]

I don't like having to wait longer but I can't really do anything at this point.

[Nimlowyn]

The guys attempting to be all logical and objective about why this is a poor decision by pointing out that it's alienating PC and Playstation users - you realize whoever makes these decisions would have been well aware of this fact, yes? Which means the deal they made with Microsoft would have to have been enough to make up for the potentially alienated fans and then probably some extra added to make the deal appealing. It must've been a good business decision otherwise it wouldn't have been made. At the end of the day we're all zots to gaming companies folks, the devs might care, the people above the devs might care but the people making these organization wide decisions? They don't.

 

And I'd get the upset if this cold business decision had say made the game an Xbox/PS/PC exclusive and lord knows I get my jimmies rustled when cold business decisions lead to actual discrimination but in this case the cold business decision has literally only lead to some delayed gratification. And that is it. This is like a child throwing a tantrum because the other kids are getting ice cream before him, I get it, it's not fair but it's ice cream chill the **** out you'll get it in a second mkay? It is both hilarious and incredibly depressing that (presumably) grown adults are not inured to this kinda behaviour.

I'm out of likes. I feel like this gif is appropriate. 

[LenaMarie]

Whats more sad is apologists who defend anti consumer practices and throw around stupid buzzwords like "Entitlism". There is no such thing as when money is changing hands.

 

 If your paying for something, then you have every right to expect it timely and in good condution. Thats an undeniable fact, while as if it is free, then yes, people have no right to complain. Its disgusting how some people just bend over and take it from corporations, no matter how anti consumer it is and more over zealotly defend these things to other consumers like good little trained mabari bitches.

 

I bet these same people believe the saying "The Customer is always right" is wrong and people of previous generations who lived in a time when it meant something were whiny entilists too, no doubt.

[TheTurtle]

Whats more sad is apologists who defend anti consumer practices and throw around stupid buzzwords like "Entitlism". There is no such thing as when money is changing hands.

If your paying for something, then you have every right to expect it timely and in good condution. Thats an undeniable fact, while as if it is free, then yes, people have no right to complain. Its disgusting how some people just bend over and take it from corporations, no matter how anti consumer it is and more over zealotly defend these things to other consumers like good little trained mabari bitches.

I bet these same people believe the saying "The Customer is always right" is wrong and people of previous generations who lived in a time when it meant something were whiny entilists too, no doubt.

I can tell you as somone who has worked in both the retail and service industry "The Customer is always right" is one of the biggest lies ever told.

[LenaMarie]

I can tell you as somone who has worked in both the retail and service industry "The Customer is always right" is one of the biggest lies ever told.

 

Well, I will concede you have a lot of consumers these days who will blatantly abuse that line of though, but the spirit of it remains true, if something costs money, that does afford a customer with rights as much as there is a push nowadays to suppress peoples rights and voice.

[Maverick827]

I can tell you as somone who has worked in both the retail and service industry "The Customer is always right" is one of the biggest lies ever told.

That quote means "the customer is the one who ultimately decides whether or not to give us their money, which we want very much, so don't screw that up." It does not mean "the customer is factually correct about everything."

[10K]

I could careless about timed exclusive content. Microsoft have it in their heads that timed exclusive content is really a big deal. So what other platforms may have to wait about a month to receive the new content. Big deal, people waited longer for the game's release. So as I see it, a month or two for getting access to DLC isn't a big deal. Call me when Microsoft actually secure real exclusive content, not this fake exclusive crap.  

[Heimdall]

If it was exclusive. period. I would be concerned, but since it'll only be exclusive for a limited time period, I don't see what the fuss is all about.  You'll get it, you'll just need to wait a little.

 

Whatever deal they made with Microsoft, this isn't anti-consumer.  Pro-Microsoft maybe, but there is no conspiracy here.  EA wants to sell its products to as wide an audience as possible.  That's why this is a timed exclusive and not an exclusive. period.  They made a deal, and this the ground EA had to give.

[Archer]

If it was exclusive. period. I would be concerned, but since it'll only be exclusive for a limited time period, I don't see what the fuss is all about.  You'll get it, you'll just need to wait a little.

 

Whatever deal they made with Microsoft, this isn't anti-consumer.  Pro-Microsoft maybe, but there is no conspiracy here.  EA wants to sell its products to as wide an audience as possible.  That's why this is a timed exclusive and not an exclusive. period.  They made a deal, and this the ground EA had to give.

 

Pro Microsoft is exactly what it is. EA weren't coerced into making this deal with Microsoft they chose to make this deal.

 

IMHO the power is with the developer not the Console manufacturer. If no one makes games for a Microsoft console then what's the point in owning it?

 

The deal is entirely anti consumer. It's not anti profit for EA I grant you, but it is anti consumer, some consumers are more important than others...

[Sanunes]

 

Pro Microsoft is exactly what it is. EA weren't coerced into making this deal with Microsoft they chose to make this deal.

 

 

IMHO the power is with the developer not the Console manufacturer. If no one makes games for a Microsoft console then what's the point in owning it?

 

 

The deal is entirely anti consumer. It's not anti profit for EA I grant you, but it is anti consumer, some consumers are more important than others...

 

 

This deal might be pro-Microsoft, but a lot of the pro-Sony announcements from E3 leave me feeling frustrated even more then this for the content is currently going to be locked to the one platform such as Arkham Knight content.

[Navasha]

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it.    I was a little peeved about it with Skyrim when it was announced.    Then I looked at what the DLC was...   "The ability to make your own home".      OOOOooo...   Ok, by the time it was released, every PC player pretty much had a mod that did that already, in FAR greater detail.  

[KennethAFTopp]

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about it.    I was a little peeved about it with Skyrim when it was announced.    Then I looked at what the DLC was...   "The ability to make your own home".      OOOOooo...   Ok, by the time it was released, every PC player pretty much had a mod that did that already, in FAR greater detail.  

 

I felt it was souring with Dragonborn in particular.

[KBomb]

Have to agree with :ord Aesir on this. Microsft isn't the only one doing this. It's a pretty common practice, whether that is good or bad is another thing, but there it is.

 

Thankfully, I have Xbox, so it's all good.

[KennethAFTopp]

this is true, but I have a Ps4, and I was just as annoyed when they did it at the Sony Press conference, but there it is.
we can discuss whether Witcher is a great game or not another place but, at least they're not doing location based DLC.

[PinkDiamondstl]

The guys attempting to be all logical and objective about why this is a poor decision by pointing out that it's alienating PC and Playstation users - you realize whoever makes these decisions would have been well aware of this fact, yes? Which means the deal they made with Microsoft would have to have been enough to make up for the potentially alienated fans and then probably some extra added to make the deal appealing. It must've been a good business decision otherwise it wouldn't have been made. At the end of the day we're all zots to gaming companies folks, the devs might care, the people above the devs might care but the people making these organization wide decisions? They don't.

 

And I'd get the upset if this cold business decision had say made the game an Xbox/PS/PC exclusive and lord knows I get my jimmies rustled when cold business decisions lead to actual discrimination but in this case the cold business decision has literally only lead to some delayed gratification. And that is it. This is like a child throwing a tantrum because the other kids are getting ice cream before him, I get it, it's not fair but it's ice cream chill the **** out you'll get it in a second mkay? It is both hilarious and incredibly depressing that (presumably) grown adults are not inured to this kinda behaviour.

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Well said !

[Heimdall]

Pro Microsoft is exactly what it is. EA weren't coerced into making this deal with Microsoft they chose to make this deal.[/size]
 
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IMHO the power is with the developer not the Console manufacturer. If no one makes games for a Microsoft console then what's the point in owning it?[/size]
 
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The deal is entirely anti consumer. It's not anti profit for EA I grant you, but it is anti consumer, some consumers are more important than others...[/size]

EA wants to reach a wide audience. To reach the audience owning Xbox One consoles, they needed to make a deal with Microsoft. Its not as clear cut as the developer holding all the power, the console manufacturer can deny them that audience if they wanted to. Its not like Microsoft has such a shortage of Xbox One games that they're desperate for DAI.

It isn't anti-consumer, its just a business deal. You get some, you give some, that's how it goes. Microsoft gets timed exclusivity for the content and EA gets to publish it on their console. EA isn't delaying its release because they especially love Microsoft or want to make consumers' lives worse.

[Lobos1988]

Consoles are dead. With PC's that can easily replace any console through connectivity with most TVs and controller ports the money grabber machinery that is gaming consoles will die out sooner or later. They have to resort to bringing people to buy their crap with promising exclusive games and earlier access to DLCs, because if not for those marketing catastrophies they would sell a lot less consoles. Wait until they launch the next new console generation. It will fail horribly.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Consoles are dead. With PC's that can easily replace any console through connectivity with most TVs and controller ports the money grabber machinery that is gaming consoles will die out sooner or later. They have to resort to bringing people to buy their crap with promising exclusive games and earlier access to DLCs, because if not for those marketing catastrophies they would sell a lot less consoles. Wait until they launch the next new console generation. It will fail horribly.

Says the PC player .

[TheTurtle]

Consoles are dead. With PC's that can easily replace any console through connectivity with most TVs and controller ports the money grabber machinery that is gaming consoles will die out sooner or later. They have to resort to bringing people to buy their crap with promising exclusive games and earlier access to DLCs, because if not for those marketing catastrophies they would sell a lot less consoles. Wait until they launch the next new console generation. It will fail horribly.

That's BS and you know it.

[AkiKishi]

That's BS and you know it.

 

Well Sony are working on allowing Sony Now (or whatever its called at the moment) to be incorporated into Sony TV so you can just buy a dual shock 4 and play. It's not a stretch to see that working its way into the next console if it takes off. A netflix type service would be nice. 

[Maverick827]

Since the game does not have level scaling, that means there will be "end-game" conent. Laidlaw even said that exact phrase when referring to the dragons in the game. Perhaps the exclusive DLC will be "end-game" or near enough that most players won't have need of it until it's available to everyone anyway?

Wishful thinking.

[PinkysPain]

 

It must've been a good business decision otherwise it wouldn't have been made.

 

We're talking about a deal between Microsoft and EA here ... if this was a good business decision it would be completely out of character.

[Mirrman70]

Maybe if y'all did something other than whine on the internet something would actually happen about it, ya?

[ushae]

Really wasn't expecting this to happen. Just glad I opted for Xbox One first.