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[Spedfrom]

So BioWare simply allows publishers to do as they wish with the product they're developing? ...
If BioWare made a deal with EA to have ownership over the title "Dragon Age",then you're basically screwed.
"For Gamers , By Greeders" lol
Always read between the lines!

 

Unfortunately, BioWare has been fully owned by EA for a few years now and in these types of matters EA is the Tevinter Magister and BioWare is the slave the magister keeps closeby in order to use his blood for especially complex Blood Magic spells.

[Darvins]

So BioWare simply allows publishers to do as they wish with the product they're developing? ...
If BioWare made a deal with EA to have ownership over the title "Dragon Age",then you're basically screwed.
"For Gamers , By Greeders" lol
Always read between the lines!

 

Well yes EA owns BioWare and thus EA owns the DA licence, as it's one of the assets of Bioware a Division of EA. Publishers like to make a profit, if they don't make a profit they don't make the games full stop, since ya know, games cost money to make and we live in a Capitalist world. 

[Iakus]

I wonder if the dlc will be on sale after the exclusivity deal expires?

 

PC dlcs never go on sale 

[DarthSliver]

As a reference, right now is the first time I've been in this thread since I last posted in it, so a lack of response from someone like me is that I'm oblivious towards it.  Of note, in the twitter space even I rarely get responses from someone like Mark or Mike.  I can't imagine how many tweets they get.

 

 

 

 

 

I know the answer, but I don't share it because I have zero clue as to the details of the arrangement and as such am oblivious to any stipulations that may exist that detail communicating it.  I don't want to get myself, or anyone else, in trouble by speaking on something like this without those details.  And it's unlikely I ever get them.

 

EDIT: This is sort of touching on Derek's post which was posted as I wrote this up.

 

I would like to say that this could hurt your DLC sells because there will be people posting Youtube playthroughs of the dlc from Xbox and Playstation players will get to see if its worth the money. If they feel the DLC isnt worth it most Playstation players will probably end up skipping the dlc altogether. From a business standpoint I think you guys get most of the DLC sells when it first comes out, only the truly dedicated Dragon Age fans will still get the dlc despite what they see in the youtube videos.  

[DisturbedJim83]

http://www.eurogamer...ed-on-a-friday 

Its not something new for games in EU to be released later than NA and it has happened with past BioWare games if I'm not mistaken.

 

Microsoft said that the timed exclusive content will apply to DAI's first dlc similar to BF4 with second assault.

http://www.eurogamer...t-first-on-xbox

 

I can't comment too much on pricing but I know in some countries that games are cheaper because of the state of the economy or the level of piracy in that country.

Yes the staggered release has happened for a long time I can understand if we still lived in a world where all games where on physical disks as it takes time to ship physical items to different parts of the world etc however there is no reason for it to apply to digital copies.I have the digital deluxe version which I can preload on November 17th same as a USA Customer,however because I'm in the UK to be specific I have to wait till the 21st unable to play the game which is installed on my hard drive all the while attempting to avoid spoilers for 3 whole days purely because I'm not in America.

 

In the UK the £ has always been strong against the $ right now £1 being equivalent to $1.69c so I and every other UK Customer is being blatantly ripped off because EA has not taken currency value into account they have simply taken the $60 price and replaced the $ with a £.Right now the DAI digital deluxe edition is sold on the Origin Store for £59.99p which equates to $101.90c so EA is making $41 profit over and above whatever profit they make from selling it at $60 and then they add insult to injury by making us UK customers wait a additional 3 days before we can play our game.There is no reasonable basis for a $41 markup on a digital product. 

[Dragoonlordz]

 

Microsoft said that the timed exclusive content will apply to DAI's first dlc similar to BF4 with second assault.

http://www.eurogamer...t-first-on-xbox

 

If that is true then I at least finally have some closure on my question but ideally I would like a confirmation still from a second source just in case. A single source is okay but a second or third to back it up is nicer. If turns out to be true that it is only the first DLC that is a timed exclusive I now have a better idea about whether or when I purchase the game. I will wait till the first DLC is released on all platforms and the exclusivity has ended then will buy the game since I am opposed to the practice of treating any customer as second class. I figure at that time everyone will have same access to same content and the mistreatment of their customers will be also over for the remainder of the products life cycle or at least I hope that will be the case. If it turned out was timed exclusivity on all DLC I would of held off buying the game until the life cycle of the product had ended and all DLC was already out for all platforms.

 

It annoys me that 'business' is one of the few areas in life when exclusion and discrimination towards people for financial gain is considered okay, in most walks of life exclusion would be considered a bad thing and immoral such as exclusion because of gender, sexual orientation, skin colour or religious belief yet in gaming and 'business' exclusion is still being considered a good thing by some companies to exclude one group of people from something for what I have called it before...a metaphorical 30 pieces of silver. I also remain believing it is immoral as it is against the principle of equality and treating all people with the same level of respect. It might be how business works but it does not make it a good practice from a consumer angle, it is still at it's core taking bribes to treat one group better than another and not everyone can afford to buy every platform to avoid such discrimination.

 

At least I have my answer now from one source but would still love a second source to confirm the first.

[stormhit]

No matter how upset someone is about such things, it's probably not a good idea to compare your desire to buy luxury entertainment goods to actual cases of discrimination.

[Dragoonlordz]

No matter how upset someone is about such things, it's probably not a good idea to compare your desire to buy luxury entertainment goods to actual cases of discrimination.

 

Discrimination is discrimination, it is what it is. It might not be on the same level as other forms of it but it is still a form of discrimination. The policy fits the description of the term in many areas for example "restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group". There are many forms of it and my reference is simply to point out that any discrimination in any walk of life is considered bad practice and policy by me but in business some forms of it are considered good by some people and companies which I do not agree with.

[dragonflight288]

*shrug* Not bothered one way or another. 

 

*yawn* Now I have no desire to get into another flame war or war of insults as what happened when ME3 came out, or right before it did with the leaked script, so all I'll add is this....

 

Is DLC content that no one knows what's in it, and only for a certain amount of time available on the Xbox before being released on other consoles, really worth making a big fuss about? Life is often way too short to get upset about little things like this. 

 

There, I'm done with topic. Good day, and I'm keeping my preorder. 

[Darth Krytie]

Discrimination is discrimination, it is what it is. It might not be on the same level as other forms of it but it remains all the same.

 

Are you serious? Timed exclusive DLC has nothing to do with discrimination. Not at all and equating it as such is really insulting to people who actually face discrimination. You're inconvenienced for maybe a few weeks because of timed DLC. People who face discrimination often have to deal with it daily over their entire lifetime.

[Rawgrim]

People are rewarded for having an xbox instead of a ps3. Simple as that. Not discrimination at all. Discrimination is WAY worse.

[Dragoonlordz]

It seems some of you people do not understand what the word means. I did not say all forms of it are equal, I said all forms of it I consider bad.

[Darth Krytie]

It seems some of you people do not understand what the word means. I did not say all forms of it are equal, I said all forms of it I consider bad.

 

Do you also consider it discrimination that certain food brands only appear in certain grocery stores?

[Dragoonlordz]

Do you also consider it discrimination that certain food brands only appear in certain grocery stores?

 

There is no $300-$500 fee to enter a grocery store and it is more akin to the store refusing to sell you an apple it already has but has been bribed to refuse selling you it unless you go next door and buy a car at the car dealership for driving you and the apple home even if you already owned a car and drove there in it while in the meantime the next guy who just happens to have bought his car next door is allowed to buy that apple without being forced to go next door to buy a new car in order to get it.

[Darth Krytie]

There is no $300-$500 fee to enter a grocery store and it is more akin to the store refusing to sell you something it already has but has been bribed to refuse selling you it.

 

It's more like a fanclub getting early access to tickets and everyone else getting them on the day the tickets are made public. It's not discrimination. It's more like giving a tiny bonus to preferred customers.

 

 

Edit: My point is this: Anyone can buy a Xbox1 if they so choose. Not wanting to or not being able to afford it doesn't take away from the fact that buying an Xbox1 is an option available.  People generally can't buy their way out of discrimination. They can't suddenly make a one-time purchase and stop experiencing it. It's something that happens due to the way people perceive them as a part of a group. It's steeped in prejudice.

 

You can dislike the practise of timed exclusives, but it doesn't mean it's a discriminatory practice simply because you can, at any time, remove the impediment to being barred from the content you want. (If you don't have patience)
 

[Dragoonlordz]

 ....preferred customers.

 

It is that preferential treatment which makes it discrimination. Look up the word. As I said it may not be on the same scale as quite a few other forms of it but it does fit the descriptive term of the word. You might enjoy being treated as second class not based on your devotion over the years towards the company or their product but instead based on a bribe from a third party and that is your right but some of us do not feel it is fair, treating all fans with equal respect or good for consumers and that is my right to feel that way about it.

[pdusen]

Think before you speak.

 

It must be a very comfortable world, where you can write off anyone you disagree with as not thinking it through. Too bad we live on Earth.

[DisturbedJim83]

Are you serious? Timed exclusive DLC has nothing to do with discrimination. Not at all and equating it as such is really insulting to people who actually face discrimination. You're inconvenienced for maybe a few weeks because of timed DLC. People who face discrimination often have to deal with it daily over their entire lifetime.

Its still discrimination albeit a very minor form of discrimination as it gives preferential treatment to customers who use a specific platform while punishing those who can not or do not want to buy the product for that platform in this instance its Xbox the fact that they were paid to do so makes it all the worse as its says it "Our Xbox customers are more important because Microsoft has handed us a pile of money" its also double standards to preach about equality then throw equality away in exchange for money 

[Dragoonlordz]

It's more like a fanclub getting early access to tickets and everyone else getting them on the day the tickets are made public. It's not discrimination. It's more like giving a tiny bonus to preferred customers.

 

 

Edit: My point is this: Anyone can buy a Xbox1 if they so choose. Not wanting to or not being able to afford it doesn't take away from the fact that buying an Xbox1 is an option available.  People generally can't buy their way out of discrimination. They can't suddenly make a one-time purchase and stop experiencing it. It's something that happens due to the way people perceive them as a part of a group. It's steeped in prejudice.

 

You can dislike the practise of timed exclusives, but it doesn't mean it's a discriminatory practice simply because you can, at any time, remove the impediment to being barred from the content you want. (If you don't have patience)
 

 

They actually can in many walks of life. That is the nature of greed and how much money you have in you can buy preferential treatment, you can pay off people to do what you want. It is those who cannot afford to buy that preferential treatment that have it worse, they cannot afford paying to stop it or paying to move to a place where happens less.

[Dragoonlordz]

It must be a very comfortable world, where you can write off anyone you disagree with as not thinking it through. Too bad we live on Earth.

 

I corrected your inaccurate reply. If I was writing/brushing you off I would not have spend a lot of time explaining myself instead I would of just left that one sentence as my entire reply.

[Darth Krytie]

I'm stepping away from this conversation now. Waiting a few extra weeks for content on a game doesn't even come close to actual discrimination I've experienced in life. It's not being treated like second class. It's not harmful to my soul. It's not anything but a minor inconvenience.

[Dragoonlordz]

Its still discrimination albeit a very minor form of discrimination as it gives preferential treatment to customers who use a specific platform while punishing those who can not or do not want to buy the product for that platform in this instance its Xbox the fact that they were paid to do so makes it all the worse as its says it "Our Xbox customers are more important because Microsoft has handed us a pile of money" its also double standards to preach about equality then throw equality away in exchange for money 

 

I am glad someone understands I was not rating it on par with other forms of it but merely the descriptive term fits even if it is in a minor form.

[Dragoonlordz]

I'm stepping away from this conversation now. Waiting a few extra weeks for content on a game doesn't even come close to actual discrimination I've experienced in life. It's not being treated like second class. It's not harmful to my soul. It's not anything but a minor inconvenience.

 

I know exactly how bad it can be on the higher forms of it as I am transsexual so you cannot use the 'you do not understand discrimination' against me. But I am not so ignorant as to assume the word is only allowed to be associated by the higher forms of it. The word covers all forms both minor and major, being affected by the major does not mean the minor forms of it do not exist.

[DisturbedJim83]

I am glad someone understands I was not rating it on par with other forms of it but merely the descriptive term fits even if it is in a minor form.

Being a PC gamer I'm used to being treated as a "second class gamer"purely because the consoles are the more "profitable" sector and then on top of that have games companies give me "the finger" with their "America first" policy when it comes to releases despite no longer having a valid reason for staggered releases on digital products.I doubt they'll ever change since they care more about money then customer equality   

[Dragoonlordz]

Being a PC gamer I'm used to being treated as a "second class gamer"purely because the consoles are the more "profitable" sector and then on top of that have games companies give me "the finger" with their "America first" policy when it comes to releases despite no longer having a valid reason for staggered releases on digital products.I doubt they'll ever change since they care more about money then customer equality   

 

It irritates me that EA promised in their own words at this years E3 that they had changed and were putting consumers first yet this goes against the subsequent actions here in this case. Do not get me wrong I do not think they are as bad as some others describe but I am intelligent enough to see them give with one hand and take with the other between such examples as their delay to improve games which is a good thing if true compared to continuing this policy of taking bribes to exclude their consumers from content, not giving them equal quality treatment regardless of platform which is a bad thing in my opinion. I also live in the UK, PC is my chosen platform right now and tend to buy my games digitally too so I know exactly how you feel about the issues you mentioned and I agree with much of it even though there are reasons behind those other policies I do not think those reasons are good, I am also glad I do not live in Australia or some other places which seems to have it worse.

 

Anyways I got the answer I was looking for to my question earlier and I have made known my feelings on this policy and hope it will be taken as feedback, a way I think they could improve their service so I will leave it there for now.