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[Drone223]

 

 

cough... cough... Mirror's Edge "2" ?

 

 

I've heard nothing about Mirror's edge 2 being a reboot, so I'm assuming its not.

[Grieving Natashina]

See, this is part of why I like "Ark Theory", like a reboot, its a fresh start that detaches itself from trilogy, but it doesn't erase the trilogy.

I'm new to the series and I finished it recently.  What's the Ark Theory, if you don't mind me asking?

[Senior Cinco]

I'm new to the series and I finished it recently.  What's the Ark Theory, if you don't mind me asking?

 

You will have people on both sides of this fence and a number of different reasons of support for the AT. It is basically, having all the races come together to create a massive ship or fleet of ships to transport them to another galaxy. This helps avoid any potential conflict in selecting cannon choices to build upon if the series remains in the MW galaxy.

[Grieving Natashina]

You will have people on both sides of this fence and a number of different reasons of support for the AT. It is basically, having all the races come together to create a massive ship or fleet of ships to transport them to another galaxy. This helps avoid any potential conflict in selecting cannon choices to build upon if the series remains in the MW galaxy.

Ah, okay.  My husband and I were talking about the same thing.  Since most of the races in the ME 'verse are longer lived in humans, I figured that any future ME games can take place in another galaxy.  None of the endings of ME3 said if the entire universe was affected by Destroy or Synthesis.  Any of the endings could have been localized to the Milky Way.  

 

I could never see Synthesis being any sort of cannon, even in this context.  The implication is way too Utopian for me.  Fun as a game ending, but extremely stupid to build another trilogy off of.  Control might work, since the Reapers could be just the guardians/army for the Milky Way.

[Senior Cinco]

Ah, okay.  My husband and I were talking about the same thing.  Since most of the races in the ME 'verse are longer lived in humans, I figured that any future ME games can take place in another galaxy.  None of the endings of ME3 said if the entire universe was affected by Destroy or Synthesis.  Any of the endings could have been localized to the Milky Way.  

 

I could never see Synthesis being any sort of cannon, even in this context.  The implication is way too Utopian for me.  Fun as a game ending, but extremely stupid to build another trilogy off of.  Control might work, since the Reapers could be just the guardians/army for the Milky Way.

 

Synthesis was popular in the beginning because a lot of people's judgment was clouded by their attraction and bond with EDI. But I think that even most or at least part of them have come to realize that it's not Shepard's right to make every living thing a cyborg. 

 

Still, some will throw out the AT as being a cop out to actually taking the measures to "fix" the conflicting endings and all of the other effects it has through other choices made but I'd dare say that it's too much of a mess for it to ever make any real sense at all. That is... appease everyone. So an alternative suggestion is to just start fresh in another place in the universe and create a foundation that will continue to work for the future of the series.

[JamieCOTC]

ME2 was practically a reboot of the game and I have a feeling ME4 will be a reboot in everything but the name.

[Madcat 124]

Synthesis was popular in the beginning because a lot of people's judgment was clouded by their attraction and bond with EDI. But I think that even most or at least part of them have come to realize that it's not Shepard's right to make every living thing a cyborg. 

 

I personally think the Synthesis ending is the most evil. When I say all my friends with their green eyes and cyborg skin, I felt like I changed them completely. Garrus was no longer Garrus, Wrex no longer Wrex... it didn't feel right.

[The Heretic of Time]

Not going to happen, it too early for a reboot (ME1 isn't even 10 years old) and it looks like its going to be a sequel.

People need to learn what "reboot" means. It doesn't mean "remake". Obviously remaking the series would be pointless, I agree with that. But rebooting the series is a must for me. The further away BioWare goes from the current trilogy, the better. A reboot would be best because it will allow BioWare to just drop the current canon (which sucks) and build up a new canon from the ground up, keeping the elements that where good and ditching the elements that sucked.

[Iakus]

People need to learn what "reboot" means. It doesn't mean "remake". Obviously remaking the series would be pointless, I agree with that. But rebooting the series is a must for me. The further away BioWare goes from the current trilogy, the better. A reboot would be best because it will allow BioWare to just drop the current canon (which sucks) and build up a new canon from the ground up, keeping the elements that where good and ditching the elements that sucked.

Not to mention I keep hearing this arbitrary "10 years" thing. 

 

I mean seriously, is there a rule against restarting a franchise that's less than a decade old?  If it's damaged too badly, it's time to replace it, doesn't matter how old it is.

[Drone223]

People need to learn what "reboot" means. It doesn't mean "remake". Obviously remaking the series would be pointless, I agree with that. But rebooting the series is a must for me. The further away BioWare goes from the current trilogy, the better. A reboot would be best because it will allow BioWare to just drop the current canon (which sucks) and build up a new canon from the ground up, keeping the elements that where good and ditching the elements that sucked.

That would mean having to redo all the plot points that have already been resolved, and I doubt people would want to go through the same plot points again after they have finished the trilogy. The franchise should move forward warts and all and build up on the setting from the previous trilogy and learn from their mistakes no need to start it all again.

[The Heretic of Time]

That would mean having to redo all the plot points that have already been resolved, and I doubt people would want to go through the same plot points again after they have finished the trilogy. The franchise should move forward warts and all and build up on the setting from the previous trilogy and learn from their mistakes no need to start it all again.

it doesn't mean that at all. Rebooting means BioWare can do whatever the hell they want. They can for example ditch the entire reaper plot and make an actual interesting political plot instead (I would really like that). Reboots are in no way restricted and it will give BioWare complete and full artistic freedom to come up with something new and fresh.

 

Rebooting = moving forward (in the best possible way).

[kold213]

This is literally the worst possible thing they could do with the series.

 

I would rather play "Mass Effect: Volus Dating Sim 7" and "Call of Duty: Mass Effect Warfare 32" than have the Mass Effect trilogy be rebooted.

 

 

[The Heretic of Time]

This is literally the worst possible thing they could do with the series.

 

I would rather play "Mass Effect: Volus Dating Sim 7" and "Call of Duty: Mass Effect Warfare 32" than have the Mass Effect trilogy be rebooted.

 

Okay. Why?

[Drone223]

it doesn't mean that at all. Rebooting means BioWare can do whatever the hell they want. They can for example ditch the entire reaper plot and make an actual interesting political plot instead (I would really like that). Reboots are in no way restricted and it will give BioWare complete and full artistic freedom to come up with something new and fresh.

They've already built up a interesting universe, there is no need to start from beginning just because of the problems with the current trilogy, they should learn from them so they can improve the next games.

[The Heretic of Time]

They've already built up a interesting universe, there is no need to start from beginning just because of the problems with the current trilogy.

A universe that is full with plotholes and contradictions and a universe that gets torn apart in some way or another at the end of ME3. The post ME3 universe is no longer the same universe.

 

Rebooting means they can keep the interesting parts of the universe (for example Cerberus before they became indoctrinated) and throw away the ridiculous parts (for example the entire reaper plot).

[dreamgazer]

Rebooting means they can keep the interesting parts of the universe (for example Cerberus before they became indoctrinated) and throw away the ridiculous parts (for example the entire reaper plot).

 

Eh, Cerberus ending up indoctrinated after the stupidity of their many experiments in ME1 and ME2 was no surprise to me. I say be done with them. 

 

I prefer they significantly jump forward in time, keep a few constants from the canon ending, keep the things extinguished that didn't work, and "reboot" from there.

[AlanC9]

Synthesis was popular in the beginning because a lot of people's judgment was clouded by their attraction and bond with EDI. But I think that even most or at least part of them have come to realize that it's not Shepard's right to make every living thing a cyborg.

What's this based on?

[Drone223]

A universe that is full with plotholes and contradictions and a universe that gets torn apart in some way or another at the end of ME3. The post ME3 universe is no longer the same universe.

 

Rebooting means they can keep the interesting parts of the universe (for example Cerberus before they became indoctrinated) and throw away the ridiculous parts (for example the entire reaper plot).

But that means the plot points such as the genophage and geth will have to be resolved again and resolving those points once is enough, it also creates more problems, who built the mass relay? what killed the protheans? etc. I don't think people are interested in answering those questions again and will have to be address at some point, its a lot easier if they continue the franchise with what they already have since it gives them something to work with.

[The Heretic of Time]

But that means the plot points such as the genophage and geth will have to be resolved again and resolving those points once is enough, it also creates more problems, who built the mass relay? what killed the protheans? etc. I don't think people are interested in answering those questions again and will have to be address at some point, its a lot easier if they continue the franchise with what they already have since it gives them something to work with.

- I don't mind dealing with the genophage and geth again. Maybe this time BioWare can handle those plots properly instead of butchering it. Besides, we don't HAVE to deal with it. If anything I'd prefer NOT to be some kind of Space Jesus who fixes all the major issues of the other species. The genophage just is what it is. I rather just be a grunt who doesn't have to deal with that at all.

 

- The reapers didn't make the mass relays, the leviathans did, remember? They could keep that little plot, or they could change it, whatever they want, the possibilities are endless with a reboot.

 

- I don't know what killed the protheans. I could make up some crap but I'm sure a pro writer could come up with something more interesting (if BioWare would actually hire some pro writers, not the amateurs they have now, they couldn't write their way out of a paper bag if they'd have to).

 

- How is building on the mess they left behind any easier? It's like trying to build a house on quicksand. I don't see that really working out to be honest, unless they would go with that Ark Theory idea that I saw on this forum, which basically would result in a reboot, except the reboot would take place in a new galaxy (Andromeda) instead of our Milky Way galaxy.

[Kabooooom]

While a reboot in the traditional sense is a horrendous idea, I DO support starting over from scratch with a brand new story that is entirely, 100%, completely divorced from the prior trilogy. Ark Theory is appealing to me for that reason, but I can envision a number of ways in which this could be done.

People seem to be emotionally reacting to this idea, "b-b-but there'd be no Citadel, no Omega, no Illium - that's not mass effect!" I disagree. Mass Effect is discovery. I don't want to visit the same old places. Let's move onwards to new and exciting alien horizons; let's leave the old trilogy behind completely. Let go of Shepard. Let go of the Normandy. Let go of your squad. Let go of what was previously Mass Effect.

Rebirth, more so than a reboot.

Continuously revisiting the same setting will make the series quickly stagnate.

[The Heretic of Time]

While a reboot in the traditional sense is a horrendous idea, I DO support starting over from scratch with a brand new story that is entirely, 100%, completely divorced from the prior trilogy. Ark Theory is appealing to me for that reason, but I can envision a number of ways in which this could be done.

People seem to be emotionally reacting to this idea, "b-b-but there'd be no Citadel, no Omega, no Illium - that's not mass effect!" I disagree. Mass Effect is discovery. I don't want to visit the same old places. Let's move onwards to new and exciting alien horizons; let's leave the old trilogy behind completely. Let go of Shepard. Let go of the Normandy. Let go of your squad. Let go of what was previously Mass Effect.

Rebirth, more so than a reboot.

Continuously revisiting the same setting will make the series quickly stagnate.

I second this.

[kold213]

Okay. Why?

 

 

it doesn't mean that at all. Rebooting means BioWare can do whatever the hell they want. They can for example ditch the entire reaper plot and make an actual interesting political plot instead (I would really like that). Reboots are in no way restricted and it will give BioWare complete and full artistic freedom to come up with something new and fresh.

 

Rebooting = moving forward (in the best possible way).

 

 

A reboot, as defined by Hollywood (ie. Spiderman and The Amazing Spiderman), is a retelling of established canon in a way to appeal to a new audience .

 

Rebooting now would be moot, it's the same audience. The only video game reboot I can think of, Tomb Raider, worked because the game's audience has changed. Gamers in 1996 wanted games with great gameplay regardless of the story behind their mindless mayhem. The new Tomb Raider created a deep, rich backstory to give Lara Croft motivation, a reason to care about her tomb raiding.

[Iakus]

They've already built up a interesting universe, there is no need to start from beginning just because of the problems with the current trilogy, they should learn from them so they can improve the next games.

Yeah they built up an interesting universe.

 

Then they burned it down.

[Iakus]

While a reboot in the traditional sense is a horrendous idea, I DO support starting over from scratch with a brand new story that is entirely, 100%, completely divorced from the prior trilogy. Ark Theory is appealing to me for that reason, but I can envision a number of ways in which this could be done.

People seem to be emotionally reacting to this idea, "b-b-but there'd be no Citadel, no Omega, no Illium - that's not mass effect!" I disagree. Mass Effect is discovery. I don't want to visit the same old places. Let's move onwards to new and exciting alien horizons; let's leave the old trilogy behind completely. Let go of Shepard. Let go of the Normandy. Let go of your squad. Let go of what was previously Mass Effect.

Rebirth, more so than a reboot.

Continuously revisiting the same setting will make the series quickly stagnate.

While I don't care for the Ark concept.  I do agree with this in principle.

 

Keep the galaxy, the races, the worlds.  Just make it one where Shepard and the whole Reaper thing never happened.  It's a big galaxy.  Lots more stuff to find.

[Drone223]

While a reboot in the traditional sense is a horrendous idea, I DO support starting over from scratch with a brand new story that is entirely, 100%, completely divorced from the prior trilogy. Ark Theory is appealing to me for that reason, but I can envision a number of ways in which this could be done.

People seem to be emotionally reacting to this idea, "b-b-but there'd be no Citadel, no Omega, no Illium - that's not mass effect!" I disagree. Mass Effect is discovery. I don't want to visit the same old places. Let's move onwards to new and exciting alien horizons; let's leave the old trilogy behind completely. Let to of Shepard. Let go of the Normandy. Let go of your squad. Let go of what was previously Mass Effect.

Continuously revisiting the same setting will make the series quickly stagnate.

The codex says about 1% of the galaxy has been explored how can that get stagnate when there is still 99% of it left unexplored.

 

@The Heretic

 

From what I heard the genophage and geth story arc's overall were pretty much the high points of the trilogy, people seem content the way they've been resolved so there really isn't a point in having to resolve them again. Leviathans didn't build the mass relay's the reaper's did the leviathans themselves said so. The protheans are also used to create the collectors and the collectors themselves are of reaper origin so reaper tech is major aspect of the franchise. The trilogy may have issue's but does have some solid lore regarding the races, history and the politics of the galaxy they could build up on that.

 

@Iakus

You and other people may think so but there are just as many people who think there is still a lot of potential in the franchise.