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[dreamgazer]

Yeah they built up an interesting universe.

 

Then they burned it down.

 

Still alive and kicking for me, and many (most) others.

[Drone223]

Still alive and kicking for me, and many (most) others.

Pretty much.

[Iakus]

 

@Iakus

You and other people may think so but there are just as many people who think there is still a lot of potential in the franchise.

There's still alot of anger out there for what was done to the franchise.  Bioware would be foolish to think otherwise.

[KaiserShep]

Let's face it. People will be angry no matter what they do. Fans will rage if they canonize an ending, or making a prequel or a midquel OR try to push the original trilogy under the rug by starting over just a couple years after the original trilogy's conclusion. There's no avoiding it, so why should they care about angering people for not rebooting it?

[dreamgazer]

There's still alot of anger out there for what was done to the franchise.  Bioware would be foolish to think otherwise.

 

And they're going to get over it, save a handful of holdouts.  

 

Most have already, and are geared up for a new experience in the universe.  

[kold213]

I honestly don't see all the hate for ME3's ending. It wasn't the strongest of endings, but it was still good. 

 

The plot holes are due to the story being written as the games were made. They're all forgivable to me: Cerberus evolving from a renegade Alliance black op into a galactic terrorist organization. The same kind of thing happened with Star Wars yet people just laugh about the incest now. 

[Drone223]

Let's face it. People will be angry no matter what they do. There's no avoiding it, so why should they care about angering people for not rebooting it?

Yep its just better to move forward with what they got and learn from their mistakes, trying to please everyone will is futile.

[Kabooooom]

The codex says about 1% of the galaxy has been explored how can that get stagnate when there is still 99% of it left unexplored

You're either being deliberately obtuse or you missed my point entirely by responding with a straw-man. So I will reiterate:

Some people (notably you, in a most recently vocal sense), claim that Mass Effect wont be Mass Effect without the Citadel, Omega, Illium, etc.

I think this idea is absurd, and continually revisiting the same places even with exploring new ones will ultimately result in stagnation.

I am FINE with exploring the other 99% of the galaxy, provided that we leave the previous 1% behind and never speak of it again- except perhaps in a side story game or something.

[Drone223]

You're either being deliberately obtuse or you missed my point entirely by responding with a straw-man. So I will reiterate:

Some people (notably you, in a most recently vocal sense), claim that Mass Effect wont be Mass Effect without the Citadel, Omega, Illium, etc.

I think this idea is absurd, and continually revisiting the same places even with exploring new ones will ultimately result in stagnation.

I am FINE with exploring the other 99% of the galaxy, provided that we leave the previous 1% behind and never speak of it again- except perhaps in a side story game or something.

We've only seen a tiny portion of the one percent of the explored galaxy (even then its a big place), and even then there still lots to add to it. Exploring the uncharted regions of the galaxy and revisiting old places doesn't have to be mutually exclusive, the next games could lets us visit new areas of memorable location and also let us explore new regions of the galaxy.

[Iakus]

And they're going to get over it, save a handful of holdouts.  

 

Most have already, and are geared up for a new experience in the universe.  

No they won't.

 

See, I can make blanket statements about the future too

[dreamgazer]

No they won't.
 
See, I can make blanket statements about the future too

I've already seen positive proof of people who disliked the ending putting the disappointment behind them and getting interested. It's happening.

[Iakus]

I've already seen positive proof of people who disliked the ending putting the disappointment behind them and getting interested. It's happening.

And I've seen people still deeply suspicious of MENext.  And post ME3 interviews haven't helped in convincing them that Bioware has a clue about what went wrong.

 

These people may show interest.  but it's a morbid interest.  They want to see what Bioware is going totry to do to dig themselves out of this mess.

 

So, yeah, my anecdotes can beat up your anecdotes

[dreamgazer]

And I've seen people still deeply suspicious of MENext.  And post ME3 interviews haven't helped in convincing them that Bioware has a clue about what went wrong.

 

These people may show interest.  but it's a morbid interest.  They want to see what Bioware is going totry to do to dig themselves out of this mess.

 

So, yeah, my anecdotes can beat up your anecdotes

 

Your willfully negative outlook on BioWare and their interviews after ME3 isn't under discussion here.

 

There's actual interest, though: people still invested in the universe.  There are some in this very thread, plenty throughout the Scuttlebutt section of the BSN, and comments under articles across the web.  It's beyond "morbid interest". 

[Iakus]

Your willfully negative outlook on BioWare and their interviews after ME3 isn't under discussion here.

 

There's actual interest, though: people still invested in the universe.  There are some in this very thread, plenty throughout the Scuttlebutt section of the BSN, and comments under articles across the web.  It's beyond "morbid interest". 

But the morbid interest is still there.  And there's more of it than you're willing to admit.

 

Sure there's people still interested.  I never said there weren't There's also a fair number people who have left in disgust.  To simply dismiss them as inconcequential would be, as I said before, foolish.

[dreamgazer]

But the morbid interest is still there.  And there's more of it than you're willing to admit.

 

Sure there's people still interested.  I never said there weren't There's also a fair number people who have left in disgust.  To simply dismiss them as inconcequential would be, as I said before, foolish.

 

I understand that it's there.  I'm sure everyone would be at least morbidly curious to see how they'd handle the divergent endings.

 

Still, there's a whole lot more people who have moved on and are ready to play another game in this universe than you're willing to admit.

[LoudAngryJerk]

I'd rather a sequel, but I'd prefer a reboot over a prequel.

they can reboot it without completely ignoring the previous games. they just have to move far enough away in time and/or space where they wouldnt matter.

[wolfhowwl]

A universe that is full with plotholes and contradictions and a universe that gets torn apart in some way or another at the end of ME3. The post ME3 universe is no longer the same universe.

 

Rebooting means they can keep the interesting parts of the universe (for example Cerberus before they became indoctrinated) and throw away the ridiculous parts (for example the entire reaper plot).

 

Out of everything in this trilogy, Cerberus is something that needs to never return in any future game. That brand is absolutely toxic.

 

I don't consider their ME2 portrayal to be acceptable either. Besides some of the ideas in Cerberus can be continued through other means in a future story anyways.

[dreamgazer]

Not to mention I keep hearing this arbitrary "10 years" thing. 
 
I mean seriously, is there a rule against restarting a franchise that's less than a decade old?  If it's damaged too badly, it's time to replace it, doesn't matter how old it is.

I don't agree with Iakus on the irreparable damage to this franchise, but I absolutely agree with him on the principle of the ten-year remake business.

Batman & Robin: 1997
Batman Begins: 2005

X3: The Last Stand: 2006
X-Men: First Class: 2011

Star Trek: Nemesis: 2002
Star Trek Abrams: 2009

I'd mention Spider-Man, but it's debatable whether the recent reboot was a good idea or not. There needs to be some time, longer than two or three years, but there's no concrete amount of years between or anything.

[KaiserShep]

Man I hate the new Spider-Man. I don't hate it as much as Spider-Man 3, but that doesn't say much. Same goes for the 2009 Star Trek.

[AlanC9]

I'm not sure X-Men should count. They haven't switched continuities AFAIK.

[The Heretic of Time]

Man I hate the new Spider-Man. I don't hate it as much as Spider-Man 3, but that doesn't say much. Same goes for the 2009 Star Trek.

 

Amazing Spider-Man > old Spider-Man trilogy. Every Marvel/Spider-Man fan knows that. Toby Maguire sucked ass.

[The Heretic of Time]

Star Trek: Nemesis: 2002
Star Trek Abrams: 2009

 

Speaking of Star Trek and reboots, I think how Star Trek got rebooted in the 2009 movie was really smart. BioWare could do something like that with Mass Effect. Throw the protagonists back in time and let them create a new alternate universe, a split time line that is still connected to the old timeline. They could even pull the same stunt as Star Trek 2009 did with Spock Prime and young Spock if they wanted. Javik Prime and young Javik anyone? I'd say HELL YES to that!

[KaiserShep]

Amazing Spider-Man > old Spider-Man trilogy. Every Marvel/Spider-Man fan knows that. Toby Maguire sucked ass.

 

Bah. Much of this is no doubt due to how badly the third installment was handled, but I'm pretty certain that Spider-Man 2 remains, to this day, the most well-received of the whole lot of them. The Andrew Garfield rehash is passable, but a rehash is really all it feels like. Anyway, this new franchise already turned to crap with its terrible sequel. I think Sony is a curse on Spider-Man. They just can't seem to keep it together for long.

 

As for 2009's Star Trek, it would've been a smart way to reboot the franchise, had the writers actually bothered to string together a plot that made a lick of sense.

[Grieving Natashina]

This has been a rather amusing read.   Surely no new fans are coming into the franchise now!  Didn't you warn everyone that the ME games sucked?  No way anyone that's heard about ME3 ending is going to enjoy this garbage.  

 

Oh wait...I am a new fan to the series.  

 

 I just finished the ME games for the first time two weeks ago.  I don't hate the series and I look forward to more.  If anything, it was the first sci-fi game I've played in a long long time and it was worth it.  I honestly believe the ME team has the potential to bring forward more fantastic stories like the one I just finished.  

 

I've heard it all before about how "ME3 just sucked."  Well, the Starbrat's reasoning behind the Reapers was completely stupid.  There is no doubt about that.  However, I'm not going to let 10 minutes of badly explained dialogue ruin an otherwise awesome gaming experience.  

[dreamgazer]

I'm not sure X-Men should count. They haven't switched continuities AFAIK.

 

First Class was always in a gray-area there, given the change in setting and the way the lore doesn't precisely line up with Singer's films.

 

Fox did pitch it as a reboot to Vaughn. "Do you want a chance to reboot X-Men and put your stamp all over it?"

 

That continuity has really been demolished after Days of Future Past, though.