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[dreamgazer]

 

Amazing Spider-Man > old Spider-Man trilogy. Every Marvel/Spider-Man fan knows that.

 

It's more debatable than that. A lot of Marvel fans didn't care for how Marc Webb handled the character in the reboot (or the film in general), but they also have their problems with Raimi's original films, even Spider-Man 2. Personally, I think both the original Spider-Man and ASM have their strengths and weaknesses.  Neither are superb; both are enjoyable and hit-and-miss with getting certain things right.

 

Man I hate the new Spider-Man. I don't hate it as much as Spider-Man 3, but that doesn't say much. Same goes for the 2009 Star Trek.

 

Abrams' Trek certainly has problems (ouch), but it's still leaps and bounds above Nemesis and Insurrection.

 

Oh dear.

 

(shrug)

 

Some people get over things, some people simply don't hold onto grudges, and some aren't as off-put by flawed execution in a handful of areas as others.  If that weren't the case, nobody would have bought ME3 following the many, many issues with ME2 and its forcible changes to ME1's lore (which was essentially a reboot itself).  

 

The folks outside the BSN (and many within) aren't like the bitter goobers lurking around here, and it's observable.  They recognize and appreciate the setting, and are looking forward to another entry in the franchise.  Folks can deride those players all they'd like, but when the chips are on the table, that's called an audience.

[nallepuh86]

Mass effect doesnt require reboot. Its completely fine, and mass effect 3 ending is not bad. Some people just dont undestrand it, or dont like that it is sad ending. I think its one of the best endings there is exept green explosion or what ever the syntetic ending was. Not everything should be explained too accurately. It is nice that they left things to our imagination and thinking, instead of shoveling explanations at our face.

 

And i kind of agree, that making 80-90 hour game(1-3) with sad ending is quite bad thing to do.

 

Just make something offical choice, just like me 2, where dying in the base was meaningless because they made shepard live as a canon choice in me 3.

[ruggly]

I'm no fan of the ending, but it's been over two years, and there are other games to be played in the meantime.  I'm quite interested to see where they're going with the next game.

[dreamgazer]

And again - as always - you assume way too much in attempting to talk on behalf of others about things you can't possibly know. 

 

I don't have to assume.  I see it whenever an article or something is brought up about the game: jokes about the ending, sure, but plenty of vocal people who have either moved on or dig the setting (and BioWare) enough to roll with the punches, especially after the Extended Cut.

[dreamgazer]

Yeah, you're doing it again.

Pray tell, why was there an extended cut dreamgazer?

 

Yes, I am.

 

Because they wanted to address fan feedback about their problems (some justifiable) with the ending, which ranged from "Help me understand this and that" to irrational proclamations about power-fantasy, forced sacrifices, and "grimdark" tone and themes.  

 

Which they did.  They didn't change their intended ending (I'm glad they stuck to their guns), but they did add plenty of elements that answered questions, offered some clarity and closure, and tried to make it vastly more satisfying for those in all the ending's camps. 

 

Those who were hoping for conventional victory after Refuse were, of course, left high and dry, since that's utterly silly in relation to the narrative. 

[CmdrStJean]

I can't say I'm a fan of Bioware or Mass Effect anymore, after the fallout from ME3, but I do drop by now and again to keep abreast of whats happening.  I would say I qualify as a member of the morbidly interested cohort - since I really just want to see how they're going to further judo-chop the franchise into irrelivance going forward. However this thread made me curious about something.  If they reboot Mass Effect, why would that mean (as many seem to feel) that the rebooted story would have to be about Shepard, and involve a retelling of the existing storyline?  Sure, I suppose that's a route they could take, but it also seems to me they could go in a different direction as well.  A reboot wouldn't need to slavishly follow what's come before - consider the upcoming Stargate reboot from Devlin/Emmerich; that's surely not going to follow on from what the TV series has done to date.

 

Personally I'd have much more of an interest in a prequel (which isn't to say I'd have much interest, bear in mind) or a reboot than something that's supposed to occur after the "ending" to ME3.  Of course, I imagine Bioware can't wait to canonize Synthesis as the preferred outcome of their earlier triology so I guess I'm not surprised that they're gravitating toward a sequel presentation now.  That said, I'll continue to do what I always do - loiter here from time to time and keep up with the news, such as it is.  One things for certain, I'm not going to be preordering anything, nor will I be suckered into a CE purchase either, those days are indeed over and I do thank Bioware for that, actually.  Good day.

[Iakus]

 

Which they did.  They didn't change their intended ending (I'm glad they stuck to their guns), but they did add plenty of elements that answered questions, offered some clarity and closure, and tried to make it vastly more satisfying for those in all the ending's camps. 

 

 

And was a mixed success at best.

 

The biggest success of EC was that it stopped the hemorrhaging of sales via returns and exchanges.  That was making Bioware/EA look bad and probably affecting how many copies of the next Bioware game stores were going to be willing to stock.

 

For every "EC fixed the game" I'll bet you can also find a "Too little, too late" or "This is what we're stuck with" comment.  If  people have moved on, how many of them simply left in disgust and won't be inclined to come back?  

[SporkFu]

If you build it (the next game), and it is awesome, they will come (back). 

[Iakus]

If you build it (the next game), and it is awesome, they will come (back). 

Maybe, eventually.  If it really is awesome.

 

But trust is something that gets built up.  And Bioware blew a lot of it in a very short period of time.

[Pateu]

Maybe, eventually.  If it really is awesome.

 

But trust is something that gets built up.  And Bioware blew a lot of it in a very short period of time.

 

Not really. Most critics liked both ME3 and DA2. 

 

It's the fans that complained and you can never please everyone.

[Iakus]

Not really. Most critics liked both ME3 and DA2. 

 

It's the fans that complained and you can never please everyone.

Well, yeah.  But in the end it's the fans that buy the games.  Not the critics.

[spirosz]

Knowing how many people state that their trust is blown, but will be playing the next IP they make is about 9/10 people.  

[spirosz]

Well, yeah.  But in the end it's the fans that buy the games.  Not the critics.

 

Critics can't be fans?  

[Pateu]

You forget anyone can vote on Metacritic, not just those that own the game.

[dreamgazer]

Critics can't be fans?

Nope. They're all bought and disingenuous, of course.

[Pateu]

Nope. They're all bought and disingenuous, of course.

 

Not like fan ratings are proof of anything, either.

 

Most jaded fans just vote 1 / 10 whereas others will vote 10/10 regardless.

 

The whiners are more loud, for one.

 

But, really, there were much more people that enjoyed ME3 and DA2 than there were that complained about them.

 

ME3 and DA2 weren't even that bad.

[spirosz]

Subjectively, they weren't that bad in certain aspects.  There is a lot ME3 did what the series needed and well, but for certain aspects that I found to be the most enjoyable for me, while playing the series... they dropped the ball there.  

 

I still don't see the need to reboot the series, it is what it is.  I'd rather the team focus on designing new ideas, starting fresh with ME4 or whatever that new title will be and just enjoy creating a universe that they love just as much as the fans.  

[SporkFu]

Maybe, eventually.  If it really is awesome.

 

But trust is something that gets built up.  And Bioware blew a lot of it in a very short period of time.

I understand why people feel the way they do about the game, good or bad, and I don't have a problem with it. I mean, it's unfortunate people didn't like ME3, or more specifically the end of ME3, but I'm certainly not going to tell anyone how to feel, or dismiss anyone's reactions.

 

I dunno, Bio has made a few games I didn't particularly care for -- Jade Empire, NWN I'm looking at you -- but I've been playing their games since Baldur's Gate. They have my trust. Of course given that I didn't hate ME3 or the ending, they never really lost it 

[dreamgazer]

ME3 and DA2 weren't even that bad.

Neither were Black Ops 2 or Diablo 3. It happens.

[Pateu]

Neither were Black Ops 2 or Diablo 3. It happens.

 

You can't compare Black Ops 2 to Dragon Age. CoD hasn't changed since COD4.

 

DA2 brought plenty changes.

[dreamgazer]

You can't compare Black Ops 2 to Dragon Age. CoD hasn't changed since COD4.

Give this a read: Choices & Consequences in Black Ops 2.