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[Mathias]

Someone please tell me that guy isn't involved with the writing for the next game. This isn't a Mac Walter's bashing thread, because I understand the rules. But that dude is responsible for almost all of the most criticized parts of ME3's story, and as a fan I'm concerned.

[dreamgazer]

Someone please tell me that guy isn't involved with the writing for the next game. This isn't a Mac Walter's bashing thread, because I understand the rules. But that dude is responsible for almost all of the most criticized parts of ME3's story, and as a fan I'm concerned.

He's the Narrative Director for the franchise, so yes, he'll be "involved".

How much actual elbow grease he'll put into the game is unknown.

[Mathias]

He's the Narrative Director for the franchise, so yes, he'll be "involved".

How much actual elbow grease he'll put into the game is unknown.

 

That's.....very concerning.

[Grieving Natashina]

That's.....very concerning.

He was a part of the writing team for all three games.

 

http://www.imdb.com/...f_=nm_ov_bio_sm

[SNascimento]

To make us cry. 

[dlux]

He's the Narrative Director for the franchise, so yes, he'll be "involved".

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

I couldn't believe it when I saw Mac Walter's mug in the video. Was the writing in Mass Effect 3 not bad enough or what? Seriously.

 

I'm sorry for being so negative and cruel, but I just think this is a terrible decision after the ME3 fiasco. Somebody else should be lead writer... somebody like Drew Karpyshyn.

[Mathias]

He was a part of the writing team for all three games.

 

http://www.imdb.com/...f_=nm_ov_bio_sm

 

Right but he didn't have complete control until ME3.

[AlanC9]

 
I'm sorry for being so negative and cruel, but I just think this is a terrible decision after the ME3 fiasco. Somebody else should be lead writer... somebody like Drew Karpyshyn.

You mean the guy who dug the hole that ME3 fell into? The guy who wanted the Reapers to have been the good guys all along? That Drew Karpyshyn?

[SwobyJ]

Right but he didn't have complete control until ME3.

 

Complete control of what? Lead Writers for video games are not novel writers.

 

If anyone, point to Casey, when it comes to 'complete control'.

[KaiserShep]

Oh noes!

 

[dreamgazer]

You mean the guy who dug the hole that ME3 fell into? The guy who wanted the Reapers to have been the good guys all along? That Drew Karpyshyn?

 

Oh, surely he would have stayed away from techno-space magic and forced sacrificial decisions with heavy-handed themes in his ending, Alan ... 

[Steelcan]

not gonna lie I got a little angry when he and Casey talked about listening to fans

[KaiserShep]

Well, in fairness, if they didn't listen to fans, the Extended Cut would probably not exist. While the endings continued to kick our puppies and push our grandmothers down the stairs, it seems to me that they take fan feedback kind of seriously.

[AlanC9]

Oh, surely he would have stayed away from techno-space magic and forced sacrificial decisions with heavy-handed themes in his ending, Alan ...

What was I thinking?

Oh, wait.....

[Steelcan]

Well, in fairness, if they didn't listen to fans, the Extended Cut would probably not exist. While the endings continued to kick our puppies and push our grandmothers down the stairs, it seems to me that they take fan feedback kind of seriously.

not really, the EC didn't do anything but double down on the original endings, their problem wasn't their lack of clarity or lack of resolution (though they certainly didn't help)

[KaiserShep]

Lack of clarity and resolution were pretty major problems as well, but in any case, an extended cut by definition cannot really be expected to change the premise or remove entire sequences that people may dislike. It certainly retcon'd a few things, but it can't totally rewrite the greater narrative. Now if it was called an alternate ending, then sure.

 

Has a developer ever completely restructured the ending of a game's story from top to bottom because fans were upset? I don't know.

[dreamgazer]

Has a developer ever completely restructured the ending of a game's story from top to bottom because fans were upset? I don't know.

 

Closest thing is Fallout 3's Broken Steel expansion, which retconned the protagonist's death by (logically) throwing someone else under the bus.  

 

Same general ending, though, and there's an entire expansion's worth of added content afterwards for more free-roam goodness (a necessity for that one). 

[dlux]

You mean the guy who dug the hole that ME3 fell into? The guy who wanted the Reapers to have been the good guys all along? That Drew Karpyshyn?

I mean the guy who crafted excellent stories in ME1 and ME2 as lead writer, that Drew Karpyshyn. (element zero is rather strange space magic, but so is the force, so whatever)

 

Are you trying to say that it is Drew's fault, that the writing in ME3 was terrible, because the writing in ME1 + ME2 was terrible? Or what is it exactly that you trying to say?
 
Anyway, please tell us about this hole that ME3 fell into, the one that allegedly appeared in ME1 and ME2. I'd also like to know about these good guy reapers, because I didn't hear about them and this weird galaxy engulfing space magic, star child god of the galaxy, illogical organics-are-going-to-kill-themselves-so-they-have-to-be-killed-before-they-kill-themselves nonsense and sacrificial bullshit, until ME3.

[CronoDragoon]

Oh, surely he would have stayed away from techno-space magic and forced sacrificial decisions with heavy-handed themes in his ending, Alan ... 

 

 

What was I thinking?

Oh, wait.....

 

This is more for others in the thread less accustomed to the usual arguments, but

 

"Dark Energy was something that only organics could access because of various techno-science magic reasons we hadn't decided on yet."

"Maybe the Reapers kept wiping out organic life because organics keep evolving to the state where they would use biotics and dark energy and that caused an entropic effect that would hasten the end of the universe. Being immortal beings, that's something they wouldn't want to see."  - Drew K

 

Ladies and gentlemen, the guy who would have written ME3 so much better than Mac Walters!

 

Yeah.

[dreamgazer]

Techno-science magic, sorry.

 

Bonus!

 

Other ideas dropped earlier in the series included series hero Shepard turning out to be an alien, Karpyshyn continued.

 

"Some of the ideas were a little bit wacky and a little bit crazy. At one point we thought that maybe Shepard could be an alien but didn't know it. But we then thought that might be a little too close to [Knights of the Old Republic character] Revan."

 

Most intriguingly of all, Karpyshyn mentioned a discarded plot idea for the beginning of Mass Effect 2 that sounds similar to what Walters and the Mass Effect 3 team eventually chose for the trilogy's ending (er, spoilers):

 

"There was some ideas that maybe Shepard gets his essence transferred into some kind of machine, becoming a cyborg and becoming a bridge between synthetics and organics - which is a theme that does play up in the game," Karpyshyn concluded. "At one point we thought, maybe that's how he survives into Mass Effect 2."

[Oni Changas]

 

You mean the guy who dug the hole that ME3 fell into? The guy who wanted the Reapers to have been the good guys all along? That Drew Karpyshyn?

 Yeah that barely fleshed out hole that was merely tossed around as a potential idea. That idea people like yourself bash despite the fact that it was never expanded upon, yet DK has to say time and again that it was in the early planning stages at best.

I think Avengers 3 will suck. It'll have Thanos in it, but that's all I know.

[KaiserShep]

Man, I'm pretty glad they didn't bother with that Shepard-is-an-alien thing. That would've been dumb as hell.

[dlux]

Techno-science magic, sorry.

 

Bonus!

Those were all plot ideas from the writing team that were discarded. So what.

 

He even admits that most of them are completely wacky and crazy. Jeez.

 

http://www.eurogamer...-trilogy-ending

[Steelcan]

Man, I'm pretty glad they didn't bother with that Shepard-is-an-alien thing. That would've been dumb as hell.

all of these ideas are dumb as hell and I'm baffled why they couldn't make a decent ending that makes sense in the story

[Sanunes]

I was fairly indifferent to the ending of Mass Effect 3 (but I can understand where the frustration is coming from), now I don't think Drew Karpyshyn really isn't any more qualified then Mac Walters, for neither would have a lot of control in the projects they are working on and personally I am not sure if Drew Karpyshyn could have done any better with Mass Effect 3 after the mess that was The Old Republic which is where he went during Mass Effect 2's production.