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[Androme]

I like how topics like this are allowed to continue, when people express themselves in offensive ways such as: ''White people are a problem''. I wonder how many seconds it would take if I wrote: ''Black people are a problem'' for a moderator to hide my post and send me a warning message.

 

And I disagree with the OP. I think representation just for representations sake is one of the many symptoms of a once great company in a downward spiral. Many people thought DA:I might redeem BioWare, I thought like this once too but my opinion has changed alot in the past few months, especially yesterday and today, the game releases in 4 months or so and the game still looks like it's in pre-alpha, and I've noticed that many decisions are purely fan service, which does not bode well for the main game itself when it ships.

[godModeAlpha]

Please more info about the Keep.

[AkiKishi]

I like how topics like this are allowed to continue, when people express themselves in offensive ways such as: ''White people are a problem''. I wonder how many seconds it would take if I wrote: ''Black people are a problem'' for a moderator to hide my post and send me a warning message.

 

And I disagree with the OP. I think representation just for representations sake is one of the many symptoms of a once great company in a downward spiral. Many people thought DA:I might redeem BioWare, I thought like this once too but my opinion has changed alot in the past few months, especially yesterday and today, the game releases in 4 months or so and the game still looks like it's in pre-alpha.

 

I just kind of find it funny. 

 

The game was pre-alpha, whether they have a more advanced and buggier build that they did not show, well anyones guess. Watching it yesterday I got a bit of Drive Club vibe. And that game was sent back for another year. I don't believe DA:I has that option, Witcher 3 totally overshadows it in every respect unless you have some sort of anti Witcher thing going. 

 

With 12 weeks till gold (give or take) It's a hail mary whether it will make it or not.

[Nefla]

How is Cassandra not white? O_o

[AkiKishi]

How is Cassandra not white? O_o

 

Lighting

 

Leliana is not a main.

[Androme]

How is Cassandra not white? O_o

 

Because people who don't know anything about race think northern europeans with small, pointy noises, blue eyes and blonde hair are the only people who are white, more often than not these people think ''aryan'' is a legit term and use that instead, ''whites'', don't actually exist but aryans do.

I know, people never cease to amuse me.

[KaiserShep]

Leliana looked like a completely different person.

 

DA2 Leliana doesn't look exactly like DA:O's, and even there, Leliana also looks different (and better) in the higher quality view on the PC version. On consoles, Leliana looks like a generic NPC that you could easily make yourself in the CC.

[AkiKishi]

Mains are party members. Primary roster as the original poster used. 

[fchopin]

DA2 Leliana doesn't look exactly like DA:O's, and even there, Leliana also looks different (and better) in the higher quality view on the PC version. On consoles, Leliana looks like a generic NPC that you could easily make yourself in the CC.

She looked the same in DA2 on my PC version and she also had the same voice and personality.

[Nefla]

Lighting
 
Leliana is not a main.

Lighting what? She looks white in both light and shadow.

[Lebanese Dude]

Are you really celebrating the EXCLUSION of a certain demographic?

 

I'm glad that you find some sort of satisfaction by seeing dark-skinned companions, but let's not get carried away. 

[AlanC9]

 

The game was pre-alpha, whether they have a more advanced and buggier build that they did not show, well anyones guess. Watching it yesterday I got a bit of Drive Club vibe. And that game was sent back for another year. I don't believe DA:I has that option, Witcher 3 totally overshadows it in every respect unless you have some sort of anti Witcher thing going. 

 

 

It does? I didn't get that memo. I'm not sure how a game with no party and no control over the character you play is an adequate substitute for a game with both, if someone thinks those features are good.

[AlanC9]

And I disagree with the OP. I think representation just for representations sake is one of the many symptoms of a once great company in a downward spiral. Many people thought DA:I might redeem BioWare, I thought like this once too but my opinion has changed alot in the past few months, especially yesterday and today, the game releases in 4 months or so and the game still looks like it's in pre-alpha, and I've noticed that many decisions are purely fan service, which does not bode well for the main game itself when it ships.

 

So you'd be more confident in Bioware if there were more whites among the companions? Surely not, so what on Earth do you mean by this?

[Rahelron]

Cassandra?

 

Her, and Leliana too.

 

BTW, just to make shure that everyone is on the same page

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Witcher 3 totally overshadows it in every respect unless you have some sort of anti Witcher thing going. 

Dragon Age has Character Creation, Witcher does not. 

 

Your statement is false. 

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, it's great that we're seeing more diversity in the companions, but can we say so in a way that doesn't sound like "THANK THE MAKER WE GOT RID OF THOSE CRACKERS"?

[Allan Schumacher]

Do not talk down towards other fans for liking things in different degrees than other people.  It stops now.

 

 

Further, if you take the statement "white people as the problem" as being equivalent to someones saying "black people being the problem" you are missing the point.  The context of the statement is that "representation is the problem."

 

If you equate the statements, you're fundamentally misunderstanding the argument.  Unless you feel that black people are far too frequently used at the expense of other people, the statements are not analogous.  The "problem" is that people feel that minorities aren't shown enough.  Given that I'm a white man, I can recognize this and not take offense if someone happens to frame it as "too many white people is a problem" instead of "not enough minorities is the problem" since both things are effectively asking for the same thing.

 

 

Attempts to silence and derail the discussions will not be tolerated.  This is a warning.

[Allan Schumacher]

Was that directed to me?

 

It was directed to the thread in general.  See the rest of this page, in particular, for context.

[Lebanese Dude]

Do not talk down towards other fans for liking things in different degrees than other people.  It stops now.

 

 

Further, if you take the statement "white people as the problem" as being equivalent to someones saying "black people being the problem" you are missing the point.  The context of the statement is that "representation is the problem."

 

If you equate the statements, you're fundamentally misunderstanding the argument.  Unless you feel that black people are far too frequently used at the expense of other people, the statements are not analogous.  The "problem" is that people feel that minorities aren't shown enough.  Given that I'm a white man, I can recognize this and not take offense if someone happens to frame it as "too many white people is a problem" instead of "not enough minorities is the problem" since both things are effectively asking for the same thing.

 

 

Attempts to silence and derail the discussions will not be tolerated.  This is a warning.

 

Advocating the inclusion of something is inherently different than advocating the exclusion of its counter-part. 

 

There's no middle ground. You just don't celebrate that a certain demographic is missing for some misguided reason. This is like when people say "I'm so tired of straight white male protagonists omg". Sure their (justified) intention is that they want something else, but their message being conveyed is that straight white males aren't welcome. It's hypocritical.

 

I'm not North American but I've been to the USA and I've noticed that political correctness is generally skewed towards accepting inclusion more than exclusion. If the OP was phrased in such a way that it only celebrates the inclusion of diverse demographics then I wouldn't give it a second look. On the contrary I'm always up for diversity. I'm a Lebanese Middle Eastern Mediterranean dark-skinned gay man. I belong in the "diversity" bunch. I advocate for it.

 

Of course the discussion can and should continue normally without someone trying to shut it down as you said. I just wish the OP was phrased better.

As it stands now, it doesn't sit right with me.