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[teenparty]

Obviously...

 

... but I just read on the character section that he is a spy for the Ben-Hassarath. Therefore not tal-vasoth.

[Lucy Glitter]

Yeah, so he is still Qunari. 

[Chari]

I wonder if his role in the game is status Quo

[teenparty]

I wonder if his role in the game is status Quo

Heard at a secret meeting of the Ben-Hassarath: "We need to preserve the status Quon!"

[SerCambria358]

I wouldnt call him Qunari, id call him a tal-vashoth who works for the qunari. He clearly doesnt believe in the philosophies of the qun therefore not making him Qunari by definition 

[Chari]

Heard at a secret meeting of the Ben-Hassarath: "We need to preserve the status Quon!"

Status quoi ?

[teenparty]

I wouldnt call him Qunari, id call him a tal-vashoth who works for the qunari. He clearly doesnt believe in the philosophies of the qun therefore not making him Qunari by definition 

 

He seems to be going through a crises of faith.

 

Sten: "No!"

 

Arishok: "No!"

 

Iron Bull: "No ... hmmm... well, maybe!"

[Battlebloodmage]

Actually, he used to be, and while he still sends reports out of habits maybe, he's definitely not a Qun follower anymore since he's now a part of a mercenary group, killing people for money. It's like a Jewish person who was born into the religion but just pay lip service to it. That's my take on it. I know a Muslim guy at my college who calls himself a Muslim but eat pork and do many things Muslim people I know usually don't.

[Gtdef]

I thought that DA2 went out of it's way to show that Qunari are uncompromising and I can hardly see them accepting anything that a vashoth mercenary would offer. But then again Tallis came and destroyed everything, so after a few games we will probably have Saarebas as leaders and they will adopt the name Qunari Imperium.

[Reznore57]

The Iron Bull is a spy having an identity crisis.

He created The Iron Bull , mercenary leader , to spy for the Qun.(mercenary is like the only  job for Tal Vashoth , it's not like Qunari can infiltrate court and such).

He's still following the Qun , he's doing his Ben Hassrath job , he's sending reports.

 

But it seems he really like the character he created , and he doesn't know who he is anymore.

[Battlebloodmage]

I thought that DA2 went out of it's way to show that Qunari are uncompromising and I can hardly see them accepting anything that a vashoth mercenary would offer. But then again Tallis came and destroyed everything, so after a few games we will probably have Saarebas as leaders and they will adopt the name Qunari Imperium.

The question is do they know Iron Bull abandon the teaching and adopt a name the last time they receive the information? We don't know if he still sends them information. Moreover, we also know that Qunari does not want to waste resource, so they don't even kill their enemies unless it's really necessary. They may see it as a mean to an end, but they wouldn't recognize him as a fellow Qunari. 

[The Ascendant]

We know little about the Qunari, both racially and culturally. Maybe he is a double agent. Maybe he truly did desert. The Qunari are still a very real and prominent threat to the Chantry and its followers. The lack of info only adds to their mystery. Hopefully he will shed some light on the Qunari.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Actually, he used to be, and while he still sends reports out of habits maybe, he's definitely not a Qun follower anymore since he's now a part of a mercenary group, killing people for money. It's like a Jewish person who was born into the religion but just pay lip service to it. That's my take on it. I know a Muslim guy at my college who calls himself a Muslim but eat pork and do many things Muslim people I know usually don't.

The Iron Bull is still a Qunari. His job as a Ben-Hassrath is the reason that he is undercover as a mercenary leader. His crisis of faith occurs when he begins to realize that he enjoys his life as a mercenary as much (or maybe even more) as his life as a Qunari. But he still fulfill his role in the Qun and identifies as one, so he is a Qunari. Merely a Qunari undergoing a crisis of identity, which in Qunari circumstances are also a crisis of faith.

[Battlebloodmage]

The Iron Bull is still a Qunari. His job as a Ben-Hassrath is the reason that he is undercover as a mercenary leader. His crisis of faith occurs when he begins to realize that he enjoys his life as a mercenary as much (or maybe even more) as his life as a Qunari. But he still fulfill his role in the Qun and identifies as one, so he is a Qunari. Merely a Qunari undergoing a crisis of identity, which in Qunari circumstances are also a crisis of faith.

I see, but if his thinking change, then I would hardly call him a Qunari at this point. Maybe as the inquisitor, we could persuade to connect to his faith or abandon it all together like a harden quest similar to the one we had with Lelianna and Cul... I mean Alistair. 

[The Ascendant]

I wonder how he will interact with a Qunquisitor? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

I see, but if his thinking change, then I would hardly call him a Qunari at this point. Maybe as the inquisitor, we could persuade to connect to his faith or abandon it all together like a harden quest similar to the one we had with Lelianna and Cul... I mean Alistair. 

Qunari are cogniscient creatures just like humans. Just like a christian man can undergo crisis of faith, so can Qunari. Just because faith wavers does not disqualify you from the moniker of christian or Qunari. I'm almost certain that part of the Inquisitor's interaction with the Iron Bull will be about reinforcing his faith in the Qunari, or convincing him to leave them for good.

[Iakus]

The Iron Bull is still a Qunari. His job as a Ben-Hassrath is the reason that he is undercover as a mercenary leader. His crisis of faith occurs when he begins to realize that he enjoys his life as a mercenary as much (or maybe even more) as his life as a Qunari. But he still fulfill his role in the Qun and identifies as one, so he is a Qunari. Merely a Qunari undergoing a crisis of identity, which in Qunari circumstances are also a crisis of faith.

 

He appears to be Becoming the Mask

[TheChris92]

And he fears... NOTHING.. except for that pesky past of his.

[Gervaise]

I find his history interesting.   You will remember that Tallis was also having a crisis of faith but still thought of herself of Qunari.   I also remember that her superiors specifically told her not to go after that guy who was allegedly giving secret information to the Orlesians but she disobeyed because she was afraid it was going to get innocent people into trouble.   At the time I wondered if in fact he was a double agent and only pretending to give away secrets in order to infiltrate and gain valuable information for the Qun, which is why Tallis was ordered not to interfere.    Now we have Iron Bull who was originally only pretending to be Tal Vashoth in order to get himself hired as a mercenary by Orlesian nobles, which of course would put him in a good position to observe the machinations of the Game.   I gather he would still be pretending to be Tal Vashoth but feels the need to be honest with the Inquisitor because likely the latter will find out his secret sooner or later.  

 

Whilst his superiors might not exactly approve of his enjoyment of his role, the fact is the Iron Bull is still doing his duty to the Qun in sending reports and it would seem his openness is because he intends carrying on sending reports but is willing to let the Inquisitor have the same information.   So I'd say Iron Bull is still officially a Qunari, even if he is having a bit of a problem with the fact that he enjoys his decadent life style.   If he no longer felt himself a member of the Qun, he wouldn't send the reports.

[The Ascendant]

We must either make sure that he does not send any more reports or kill him. Thedas is messed up enough as it is we can't afford them involving themselves or worse invading. We can't afford to deal with the Veil tears and fight a war with the Qunari, we must focus all our attention to one threat at a time. Unless of course you want to help the horn headed zealots conquer Thedas by giving them sensitive information. That totally won't bite you in the ass in the future when they invade.

[The Ascendant]

I've been rereading and going over the lore on the Qunari. Perhaps I've been to hard on them. Despite their faults, they have good points. True they aren't perfect, but who is in Thedas. I am being tempted to play as one, it will no doubt get more insight on their culture and race.

[Gervaise]

Since Sten ultimately became the Arishok (replacing the one that Hawke killed), I'd say that he got an awful lot more than just admiration for one person.   His cover story was that he had been sent to study the Blight (which was probably true) but it also allowed him to study Ferelden (which I don't believe the Qunari had reached on previous invasions), and through his link with the Warden, dwarf culture, Dalish culture, battle tactics, etc.    He had wanted to die originally because he felt he had shamed himself in panicking and losing his sword but once he had recovered this, he was able to focus again on doing his best for the Qun.   He was also quite open about what might happen in the future, because he says he hopes he does not end up having to fight the Warden.   Fenris also felt that the Qun were only biddng their time until they felt the moment was right for invasion.   So at some point in the future there will be a Qunari invasion - DA4 perhaps?

[The Ascendant]

I imagine his companion quest will involve whether or not to defect and become Tal-Vasoth. I wonder what his dialogue will be with Varric, a person who witnessed the worse of the Qunari in their assault on Kirkwall.