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[Senior Cinco]

Is this a concept of the Andromeda Galaxy in the "new part of space" mentioned in the recent video?

 

 

It looks quite similar to the Hubble images.

 

[Senior Cinco]

Hmm.. maybe not. Here is the best detailed image form NASA in UV.

 

[Pateu]

Pretty sure that's the Milky way.

[nallepuh86]

Hard to tell, that galaxy map clearly doesnt look finished so, it doesnt look our galaxy at all, but it probably will be our galaxy.

 

Or it is in the other galaxy and we are now playing with "noah`s ark" survivors that have been travelled to another galaxy to make sure survival of the species against reaper threath.

[Senior Cinco]

Pretty sure that's the Milky way.

 

What's the Milky Way? The video image? I't clearly not the MW. 

 

We've been all over the MW through the ME series, so far. To me "new space" translates into a new galaxy.

[Ajensis]

What's the Milky Way? The video image? I't clearly not the MW. 

 

We've been all over the MW through the ME series, so far. To me "new space" translates into a new galaxy.

 

Sure, we've been "all over" the Milky Way the same way your local ants have been all over the continent there are vast amounts of the Milky Way still ready to be explored. I don't see any reason we should abandon it to find something new.

If it's to avoid the complications of Mass Effect 3's ending, then I can understand. I'm still hoping it won't be the case, though; I'd prefer to stay in our own galaxy.

[Pateu]

What's the Milky Way? The video image? I't clearly not the MW. 

 

We've been all over the MW through the ME series, so far. To me "new space" translates into a new galaxy.

 

It looks like the same galaxy.

[Senior Cinco]

Sure, we've been "all over" the Milky Way the same way your local ants have been all over the continent there are vast amounts of the Milky Way still ready to be explored. I don't see any reason we should abandon it to find something new.

If it's to avoid the complications of Mass Effect 3's ending, then I can understand. I'm still hoping it won't be the case, though; I'd prefer to stay in our own galaxy.

 

I started to say we have the entire MW mapped. However, there are still Mass Relays that are not being used because we haven't found it's counterpart brother. Some MR's are mufti directional while others are just coupled between two. Maybe they are in another galaxy.

 

Even at FTL speeds we could not travel to another Galaxy in less than 5-6 hundred years. Granted, the new game could be set in the distant future and the "ark" concept could get us there under cryo. And of course they can always write in new technologies for space travel but the science, or believable concept, needs to be there.

 

How many new places can we visit in the MW without making another return trip to Tuchanka? 

 

I want to visit a new galaxy all together.

 

 

 

It looks like the same galaxy.

 

 

The image in the video is missing the two main spiral arms. Andromeda has no spiral arms. It has a red center cluster of old stars surrounded by rings of younger blue stars.

 

.. at least we "think" it has two main arms. Actually, it's just an educated guess as we can't take a picture of ourselves. A galaxy selfe, if you will.

[Manc4life7]

Pretty sure I remember a source saying that in the MEU only a very small portion of the Milky Way has been mapped and explored - along the lines of less than 10% of observable star systems.  And as someone else mentions there are also mentions of numerous Mass Relays that are not used because we do not know where they go.  This either came from one of the DK novels or the codex itself, but I think it was one of the novels.

[Iakus]

The known relay network covers less than 1% of the known galaxy.  And the trilogy only visited a tiny fraction of that.

 

There's still a big freaking galaxy to explore.  Abandoning the Milky Way for another galaxy would be wasteful.

[Ajensis]

How many new places can we visit in the MW without making another return trip to Tuchanka?

 

As many new places as we could in a new galaxy just because the next game took place in the Milky Way, it wouldn't mean we had to revisit all the familiar places. We could be part of an expedition exploring new relays and never set foot on the Citadel or Tuchanka or whatever.

You want to go to a new galaxy and that's cool, I can understand the notion. But when you think about it, there would be no mass relays and no galactic community, or at least none that we're familiar with. I personally fear it would take away too many things that are integral to the Mass Effect universe, and it seems to require too much explanation for how we get there for too little gain.

[Kabooooom]

Pretty sure that's the Milky way.

Lol. That is clearly not the Milky Way. Or any traditional spiral galaxy. It does closely resemble Andromeda, which has a unique galactic structure due to a cosmologically recent collision with another galaxy. The Milky Way may eventually look similar for awhile after it collides with Andromeda.

Given that Andromeda is the closest galaxy to the Milky Way, I bet that is exactly what it is.

I'm putting in my two cents and saying that is an early version of an Andromeda map.

[Senior Cinco]

 And as someone else mentions there are also mentions of numerous Mass Relays that are not used because we do not know where they go.  This either came from one of the DK novels or the codex itself, but I think it was one of the novels.

 

Actually, I just said that...

 

I started to say we have the entire MW mapped. However, there are still Mass Relays that are not being used because we haven't found it's counterpart brother. Some MR's are mufti directional while others are just coupled between two. 

 

It may have been noted in the books but it is certainly noted in Codex.

 

 

 

You want to go to a new galaxy and that's cool, I can understand the notion. But when you think about it, there would be no mass relays and no galactic community, or at least none that we're familiar with. I personally fear it would take away too many things that are integral to the Mass Effect universe, and it seems to require too much explanation for how we get there for too little gain.

 

I noted the possibility of no Mass Relays, along with the prolonged flight of several hundred years even at FTL speeds. I agree that we have only been to a small fraction, the more I try to put it into perspective. I think It gets a feeling of redundancy because we were taken to so many locations that were spaced out so much across the MW.

 

When it comes down to it, I can easily see us remaining here, and I don't have any real issue with that, but after the discovery of the known planets in systems like Kepler and the planet Kepler 22b, I am anxious to visit similar locales in a virtual game world.

 

Then ad in the potential aftermath of the result of ME3 cannon, what ever that may be, and you ponder the "ark theory" in a quest for the survival of the known species of our home galaxy.

[Kabooooom]

It looks like they may have taken the recommendation that myself and others provided on this forum awhile back: you want to avoid the clusterf*ck of the endings altogether? Ark ship to Andromeda. Problem solved. Anything could have happened in the Milky Way, and Andromeda provides a fresh slate to start from scratch and let your imagination roll.

Although, an ark ship would be complicated. The FTL drives of current ships can't go for long without discharging their drive cores. An ark ship like that would probably have to travel at relativistic speeds with current tech in the mass effect universe. Either that or reverse engineer however the reapers could travel at FTL without discharging.

[General TSAR]

Isn't screwing up one galaxy enough?

[Senior Cinco]

It looks like they may have taken the recommendation that myself and others provided on this forum awhile back: you want to avoid the clusterf*ck of the endings altogether? Ark ship to Andromeda. Problem solved. Anything could have happened in the Milky Way, and Andromeda provides a fresh slate to start from scratch and let your imagination roll.

Although, an ark ship would be complicated. The FTL drives of current ships can't go for long without discharging their drive cores. An ark ship like that would probably have to travel at relativistic speeds with current tech in the mass effect universe. Either that or reverse engineer however the reapers could travel at FTL without discharging.

 

I was on that Ark Theory train as well. I agree that it would be a long voyage. A crew of young Asari could make the trip but without cryo, the age limited races would have to reproduce along they way. Then one must figure in food support. The ship or fleets of ships, rather would be jointly enormous.

[Kabooooom]

I was on that Ark Theory train as well. I agree that it would be a long voyage. A crew of young Asari could make the trip but without cryo, the age limited races would have to reproduce along they way. Then one must figure in food support. The ship or fleets of ships, rather would be jointly enormous.

And they would have to do some serious lore gymnastics. I already mentioned the discharging problem (although Reapers don't have to discharge their drive cores) but here's another problem:

The only FTL speed we are given for sure in game is 12 Ly/day (although it is stated the reapers can travel at least 30). At 12 ly/day it would take 211,000 days or over 500 years to reach Andromeda. At 30 it would take roughly over 200 years. So, they could hand wave it with a wormhole or an ultra fast FTL drive that surpassed the Reapers, which seems unreasonable.

Edit: got two hours of sleep and forgot to convert on that math lol. It could be done in an Asari lifespan after all, as you say.

[zestalyn]

I find the ark theory hard to believe because it doesn't sound like ME for them to think they should deploy that many amount of people and resources to send away from the galaxy, when the whole point of the war was to gather as much as possible for a "win or die" ultimatum. 

And if that did happen, my problem with that is that then the new forms of life would outnumber the ones we were just beginning to get to know. I would think ME4 is the chance to get to know the other council races better since theyve been presented relatively one-sided to us the entire trilogy, and we never even got to see any of their homeworlds or colonies. I wouldn't have a problem with playing in a new galaxy as long it didn't mean that we are completely cut off from the Milky Way galaxy. I still want to be surrounded by asari/turians/etc. 
 

[Kabooooom]

I find the ark theory hard to believe because it doesn't sound like ME for them to think they should deploy that many amount of people and resources to send away from the galaxy, when the whole point of the war was to gather as much as possible for a "win or die" ultimatum.

And if that did happen, my problem with that is that then the new forms of life would outnumber the ones we were just beginning to get to know. I would think ME4 is the chance to get to know the other council races better since theyve been presented relatively one-sided to us the entire trilogy, and we never even got to see any of their homeworlds or colonies. I wouldn't have a problem with playing in a new galaxy as long it didn't mean that we are completely cut off from the Milky Way galaxy. I still want to be surrounded by asari/turians/etc.

A few things to note:

1) yes, the strategy was win-or-die but everyone thought the chances of winning weren't that great. It would be beyond stupid to not have a backup plan, and then a backup plan for your backup plan. The Protheans had several.

2) If it isn't an ark theory or something like it, you'd have to explain away how that is clearly not the Milky Way. They seem to have gone out of their way to show a galaxy with a diffuse spiral structure, similar to Andromeda, and not the classic barred spiral structure that we see with the Milky Way.

Also, we don't have any dead on images of Andromeda like that in the real world because it is inclined relative to Earth. But it does look extremely similar to how Andromeda would probably look.

3) If they allowed back and forth travel between galaxies, it would negate the entire point of starting over in a new galaxy, which is to avoid canonizing a ME3 ending.

Edited to remove astronomy jargon.

[zestalyn]

A few things to note:

1) yes, the strategy was win-or-die but everyone thought the chances of winning weren't that great. It would be beyond stupid to not have a backup plan, and then a backup plan for your backup plan. The Protheans had several.

2) If it isn't an ark theory or something like it, you'd have to explain away how that is clearly not the Milky Way. They seem to have gone out of their way to show a galaxy with an SA(s)b structure, similar to Andromeda, and not the classic SBc structure that we see with the Milky Way.

Also, we don't have any dead on images of Andromeda like that in the real world because it is inclined relative to Earth. But it does look extremely similar to how Andromeda would probably look.

3) If they allowed back and forth travel between galaxies, it would negate the entire point of starting over in a new galaxy, which is to avoid canonizing a ME3 ending.

Idk, still find it hard to believe. If the Reaper war in ME's cycle had actually gone on for centuries as it did for the Protheans, then I'd believe the ark theory better. Comparing to the Protheans' cycle, our Reaper war was finished fairly quickly. I don't doubt the races had backup plans, thats why the council leaders had things to attend other than helping Earth, and there was Liara with her time capsule. I feel like they'd only resort to using an ark ship if the Crucible failed. 

Again I have no problem with a new galaxy, but it doesn't sound reasonable to have a ME4 game where the strength of new life forms outnumber the council races.If BW can write it in a way thats compelling then great, but I personally wish to play a game where the Aliiance, the Turian Hierarchy, etc are still a strong presence so that it doesn't feel like all the history and reputation that was built up for the past three games has just been tossed out the window. 

[Kabooooom]

Ah, good point - I do agree the war ended fast. And I do agree that the mass effect relay network is, well, massive and more than capable of furthering the story.

I just think they may have gone the new galaxy route because of the ending to ME3. Now, had that image been a barred spiral galaxy that looked similar to the milky way, I would chalk it up to artistic changes and new graphics and say I bet the story continues in the Milky Way. But that is a completely different type of galaxy. And, furthermore, it just so happens to closely resemble the closest galaxy to the Milky Way.

So I don't know man...I think they decided to jump ship and completely bail on the events of the prior trilogy.

[Massa FX]

Casey says "We are taking you to a whole new region of space" so that could mean a new galaxy or it could mean same galaxy with new undiscovered areas.

 

If in the future (once the relay's are repaired) new relays are opened... it makes sense. Yes?

[Senior Cinco]

I'd have to check for it.. for the life of me I don't remember off hand ( imagine that ), but do we know who made the Mass Relays to start with? Then do we know that they are limited to the MW galaxy?

 

Ah yes, Reapers...

 

The mass relays, despite common belief, were created not by the Protheans but by the Reapers. As stated by Sovereign, the Protheans were merely one of many alien races to find the relays and the Citadel and take advantage of them. When the Reapers wiped out the Protheans, the asari were the next race to find the relays thousands of years later. According to Sovereign, by using the relays, galactic civilizations evolve along the paths the Reapers desire. In addition, the relays serve to accelerate the rate at which those civilizations advance, shortening the time between Reaper harvests.

However, the Protheans did have a keen interest in the relays, and managed to crack the secret behind their operation. This enabled them to build the Conduit before they were destroyed by the Reapers.

 

 

[shepskisaac]

The only other major galaxy in our group is Triangulum, maybe also Large/Small Maggelanic Clouds and that's it, everything else is some tiny dwarf satellite galaxies

[Senior Cinco]

Still, if the Reapers created the MRs... is there a chance they migrated to another Galaxy and continued there rain of terror there, with a network of relays?