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[durasteel]

It may not, but I want to go forward with my many canon's intact. I don't want to be restricted to single ME3 outcome going forward, if that makes any sense. I could learn to live with a canon... I'd just rather not.

 

But you are advocating for exactly that--a single ME3 outcome. That outcome is "The End."

 

If you never revisit the Milky Way, then your "many canons" are completely irrelevant, truly reduced to nothing more significant that the color of the space magic explosion that ended the galaxy forever. Those EC slides are as meaningless as the slides that said Morrigan was never seen again, or that the Warden and Leliana went off together. Relying on those for closure is like saying that if Star Wars had ended with a text crawl like the one it opened with, there would be no need for The Empire Strikes Back.

[durasteel]

Except you aren't getting the one from the trilogy, the one from the trilogy is gone, political landscape completely altered no matter the outcome of the Reaper War. We did explore this interesting galaxy, Drone. It was called the original trilogy and its over. It's done. We came, we saw, we conquered. We explored it, we saved it, we changed it. There is no preexisting persisting material here. All has been altered by the passage of Shepard and the Reapers. Don't you understand that this won't be the galaxy you left behind no matter what?

 

Europe, Northern Africa, the Middle East, and Asia were torn to shreds during the Second World War. Many places, like Germany, had obvious complete political upheaval. It would be stupid to suggest that the character and culture of Germany didn't survive that turmoil and destruction, though. 

 

We explored a tiny fraction of the Mass Effect galaxy. We changed it, and we witnessed its changes, but the only way we saved it is if it continues to exist, if there are more stories to tell there. Otherwise, we might as well have destroyed it.

[durasteel]

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The fundamental difference between us seems to be that that you look at the new Mass Effect and think "Okay, tell me what happened next." And I think "Okay, tell me a new story."

 

I am not here because I'm anticipating a new sci-fi game in a new setting. If that's all we were talking about, I would be waiting for trailers and a lot more info before I had anything to say, or really before I gave a crap. That's my attitude about the new IP BioWare is working on--I have nothing to say yet, because I haven't seen enough to give a crap.

 

I'm here because I want another Mass Effect game. Yeah, I want a new story, but I want that story to be set within the existing Mass Effect universe. If it is a spin-off set in some other universe with its own continuity and a few token carry-overs to call back to Mass Effect (like a few representatives of a few of the familiar races) then I might still get it and play it, if the game looks good, but it isn't anything I'm excited about now.

 

Not one bit of my emotional investment in Mass Effect applies to anything in Andromeda.

[Heimdall]

Europe, Northern Africa, the Middle East, and Asia were torn to shreds during the Second World War. Many places, like Germany, had obvious complete political upheaval. It would be stupid to suggest that the character and culture of Germany didn't survive that turmoil and destruction, though. 

 

We explored a tiny fraction of it. We changed it, and we witnessed its changes, but the only way we saved it is if it continues to exist, if there are more stories to tell there. Otherwise, we might as well have destroyed it.

It survived, that doesn't mean it remained the same.  The political balances and historical animosities that pervaded the trilogy were severely upset by the Reaper War.  My point is that the galaxy is going to be radically changed anyway.

 

This is a philosophical point we both know we disagree on, so I'll leave it.

[Heimdall]

I am not here because I'm anticipating a new sci-fi game in a new setting. If that's all we were talking about, I would be waiting for trailers and a lot more info before I had anything to say, or really before I gave a crap. That's my attitude about the new IP BioWare is working on--I have nothing to say yet, because I haven't seen enough to give a crap.

 

I'm here because I want another Mass Effect game. Yeah, I want a new story, but I want that story to be set within the existing Mass Effect universe. If it is a spin-off set in some other universe with its own continuity and a few token carry-overs to call back to Mass Effect (like a few representatives of a few of the familiar races) then I might still get it and play it, if the game looks good, but it isn't anything I'm excited about now.

 

Not one bit of my emotional investment in Mass Effect applies to anything in Andromeda.

I'm not anticipating that either.  I'm mildly interested in the new IP, but more because I'm looking forward to Bioware developing a game that isn't a sequel.

 

I think we have different criteria as to what makes a Mass Effect game.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Mass Effect essentially ended in ME3.  Rather than force another game out of an ending intended to be conclusive and wildly divergent (Whatever your opinion on that ending may be) I would rather force a clean break to start a new series of adventures.  Frankly, I feel like any attempt to follow up ME3 in the Milky Way would get too bogged down with attempts to either apologize for or resolve the endings and Shepard's choices (Or lack thereof) to really take on a life of its own and that's just... not something I'm not at all interested in.

[Drone223]

It survived, that doesn't mean it remained the same.  The political balances and historical animosities that pervaded the trilogy were severely upset by the Reaper War.  My point is that the galaxy is going to be radically changed anyway.

 

This is a philosophical point we both know we disagree on, so I'll leave it.

What Durasteel is saying is that the alliance will still represent humanity, the STG will still carry out covert mission's and experiments, the turian's will still be the most significant military force in the citadel space etc. Those aspects will offer some form of familiarity even with all the change that has occurred.

 

I'm not anticipating that either.  I'm mildly interested in the new IP, but more because I'm looking forward to Bioware developing a game that isn't a sequel.

 

I think we have different criteria as to what makes a Mass Effect game.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Mass Effect essentially ended in ME3.  Rather than force another game out of an ending intended to be conclusive and wildly divergent (Whatever your opinion on that ending may be) I would rather force a clean break to start a new series of adventures.  Frankly, I feel like any attempt to follow up ME3 in the Milky Way would get too bogged down with attempts to either apologize for or resolve the endings and Shepard's choices (Or lack thereof) to really take on a life of its own and that's just... not something I'm not at all interested in.

The endings are the only thing that are being made canon, things such as who died on the SM, how the loyalty mission's were resolved etc. won't be canonized since they won't have a huge impact on the galaxy but only affect a few individuals. Getting rid of the Milky Way galaxy is practically removing everything that fan's have invested in the franchise, if they do that they may as well start a new franchise instead.

[durasteel]

...Frankly, I feel like any attempt to follow up ME3 in the Milky Way would get too bogged down with attempts to either apologize for or resolve the endings and Shepard's choices (Or lack thereof) to really take on a life of its own and that's just... not something I'm not at all interested in.

 

Anything getting bogged down would mean, necessarily, that they were doing it wrong. Just because there is a canon world state doesn't mean we have to know what it is right from the start. In fact, questions like whether one or more reapers might still exist, whether the geth survived or were recreated, etc. wouldn't be public knowledge anyway. If we can set trilogy plot flags in a Mass Effect equivalent of the Dragon Age Keep, it might be nice to hear callouts to our Shepard experience in news coverage, like they had in ME2 and 3, and that could be a place to drop hints about the canon post-reaper-war state of the galaxy, too, but for the most part it really doesn't need to be talked about. Presumably the next game will have a story that is, to the player character, much more important than how the relays were repaired a hundred years ago.

 

What is important, though, is that BioWare knows what the state of the galaxy is. I'm fine with wondering what happened to the reapers, but the writers need to bloody well know. How many problems in the trilogy were caused by writers thinking they could just handwave past an important plot point and figure it out later? That road leads to perdition.

[shepskisaac]

EDIT: nevermind, EDGE teaser was for this game http://thechineseroo...s/current-game/