Actually, they were known to come literally from beyond the galaxy's horizon. The Prothean VI, Vigil, mentions as much on Ilos, in ME1.
The last cinematic clip from ME2's suicide mission outcome also shows them approaching the Milky Way from outside.
Was Vigil referring to the outside of the galaxy or the dark space in the center?
And was the Reapers coming into the MW or our local system?
... I can't remember.
Was Vigil referring to the outside of the galaxy or the dark space in the center?
And was the Reapers coming into the MW or our local system?
... I can't remember.
1. He was referring to outside of the galaxy, he says as much in the dialogue.
2. Reapers were definitely coming into the MW, which was pretty much the whole basis of ME2's Arrival DLC.
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I have no idea why there's an echoing heartbeat in the Prothean Archives...
1. He was referring to outside of the galaxy, he says as much in the dialogue.
2. Reapers were definitely coming into the MW, which was pretty much the whole basis of ME2's Arrival DLC.
3. Problematic, as that has the potential to distort crucial information or otherwise divert us from the subject.
Yea, they are definitely coming in from outside the galaxy. I just looked up the closing scene.
As for number 3, I don't follow what you mean.
Actually, I was making only a single assumption - that Bioware deliberately designed and showed us that image to give us an indication of the setting for the next game and thus generate hype/speculation.You're making a lot of assumptions from a concept image that won't be in the final game.
As for number 3, I don't follow what you mean.
Neither did I, once I read it. So I deleted it.
Point being, if one factors in the Citadel, it's entirely plausible someone could have escaped the MW and fled to another galaxy. Whether or not that did in fact happen or if that was even the point of this trailer, I won't bother to figure out. Hype has screwed me over too many times before.
Neither did I, once I read it. So I deleted it.
I see. You were being rude. I get it.
That just it. We're speculating another galaxy with with Mass Relays and another Citadel and the races we know have bunked up on ships and traversed there.
Advance the time frame a few hundred years to allow for colonization and go form that. Then we have new races to contend with as well.
If the other galaxy has mass relays and a Citadel, then it should also have Reapers, meaning... ugh.
Really, if this is the way BioWare is going, it seems like a great waste of effort motivated by cowardice. The logical leaps and narrative twists required to get a critical mass of beings from our galaxy all the way to Andromeda and outfit that galaxy with familiar ancient infrastructure are far greater than would be required to implement a "purple" post-ME3 galactic state and move forward a lot closer to home. As has been pointed out, there is a lot of the Milky Way Galaxy left to explore, and the only think mitigating against setting ME4 within the local star-strewn void is a crippling fear of going anywhere near the fiasco of ME3's ending. Fear that as widely hated as it was, any effort to move past that ending will be hated even worse.
I don't think that's the case, but if it is then it's ridiculous. Sooner or later, the Mass Effect franchise will move forward with events on Earth, the Citadel, and in the galaxy that Shepard "saved." There is little point in running away from it, and every reason to re-establish a MEU in which future games, novels, movies, fan-fiction, etcetera can be comfortably set.
If the other galaxy has mass relays and a Citadel, then it should also have Reapers, meaning... ugh.
It would mean they "had" Reapers. They all came here for the attack on Earth and were dealt with.
... at least that's the way I look at it being a potential outcome.
It would mean they "had" Reapers. They all came here for the attack on Earth and were dealt with.
Leaving you with all the original problems of setting a "canon" ending.
Red, they dead. Blue, CyberShep is commin' for you. Green, well... they're still coming for you, but with love in their hearts.
If you're just going to say that the Reapers are "gone," then you might as well say the same thing but stay here.
Another problem is one of timing. If an arc is sent through the relays to Andromeda before the Reapers blockade Earth, that makes no sense--anywhere you go through a relay is still "Reaper Space" and offers no hope of escape. If it is sent after the Reaper War ends, then... why?
If the other galaxy has mass relays and a Citadel, then it should also have Reapers, meaning... ugh.
Really, if this is the way BioWare is going, it seems like a great waste of effort motivated by cowardice. The logical leaps and narrative twists required to get a critical mass of beings from our galaxy all the way to Andromeda and outfit that galaxy with familiar ancient infrastructure are far greater than would be required to implement a "purple" post-ME3 galactic state and move forward a lot closer to home. As has been pointed out, there is a lot of the Milky Way Galaxy left to explore, and the only think mitigating against setting ME4 within the local star-strewn void is a crippling fear of going anywhere near the fiasco of ME3's ending. Fear that as widely hated as it was, any effort to move past that ending will be hated even worse.
I don't think that's the case, but if it is then it's ridiculous. Sooner or later, the Mass Effect franchise will move forward with events on Earth, the Citadel, and in the galaxy that Shepard "saved." There is little point in running away from it, and every reason to re-establish a MEU in which future games, novels, movies, fan-fiction, etcetera can be comfortably set.
But retconning the original endings or ignoring them with a new 'purple' state is even bigger 'cowardice'. At least switching to Andromeda would leave the state of the Milky Way open ended for each ending.
It couldn't be sent through the relays, unless what they discover is that some ancient civilization even more advanced than the Protheans (hey, the Reapers are lazy) actually managed to create a relay AND somehow get to another galaxy (via hand wavey space magic) to put the second one of the pair there, and used it to enact a mass exodus in secret during the reaper invasion.Another problem is one of timing. If an arc is sent through the relays to Andromeda before the Reapers blockade Earth, that makes no sense--anywhere you go through a relay is still "Reaper Space" and offers no hope of escape. If it is sent after the Reaper War ends, then... why?
I'd play that. But to do that, they'd have to leave it open ended. And to do THAT, you have no choice- ya gotta leave the Milky Way. It simply wouldn't work otherwise.
Parallel dimension/universe/timeline is another other solution to stay in the Mily Way, but that's even more far-fetched than sending an ark to Andromeda or Triangulum.
I guess they could also try the staying in the same-timeline Milky Way but somehow we never enocunter ANYONE from previous planets and most races that could potentially be dead. That would require stupid amount of plot gymnastics though and a rather narrow scope of the game
But retconning the original endings or ignoring them with a new 'purple' state is even bigger 'cowardice'. At least switching to Andromeda would leave the state of the Milky Way open ended for each ending.
The "purple" state doesn't ignore the ending at all. It simply combines the two flavors of the ending that represent the overwhelming majority of players' games and sets the universe so that the franchise can go forward. How you can consider that "cowardice" I cannot fathom, since it expressly faces the mess left by the ME3 ending.
Leaving the state of the Milky Way "open ended" is a cop-out.
Exactly. That'd be the problem about the idea of opening a relay to an undiscovered region of the milky way. The galaxy is vast and largely unexplored, yes (although the network only covers a small percentage), but even one connecting relay allows you access to the rest of the galaxy within hours. You couldn't avoid not canonizing an ending unless the ENTIRE game took place in some new and isolated location.Parallel dimension/universe/timeline is another other solution to stay in the Mily Way, but that's even more far-fetched than sending an ark to Andromeda or Triangulum.
I guess they could also try the staying in the same-timeline Milky Way but somehow we never enocunter ANYONE from previous planets and most races that could potentially be dead. That would require stupid amount of plot gymnastics though and a rather narrow scope of the game
Pretty laughable to assume this is Andromeda Galaxy after all we've seen is one concept art. It can be anything.
I agree with people commenting/hoping it's NOT another galaxy. Milky way has still A LOT of planets to explore and lot of stories to tell. Why we need to leave what we have if we can still have great stories?
The ME3 ending issue? In the end people will have to realize that BW will somehow canonize one of their endings maybe changing some elements to make it fit their new story. I don't know what ending will be best probably one that does not to change too much the universe while leaving an open window for them to create a new story. As I see Destroy is the only one that achieve this goal.
Quite frankly I would be satisfied with a generic "Reapers were destroyed all major races survived albeit at a great cost. The Quarians rebuilt the Geths as well as other synthetics that contributed to fight against the Reaper" Done and no more mentions about it because the game should be projected towards the future! It's time to move on and who cares if something is retconned for the sake of ME universe as we love it, I think it's a small price to pay.
I'm really inclined to discount the ending issue if BW will be delivering a wonderful game. I love this franchise too much to let it rot because of the endings.
Pretty laughable to assume this is Andromeda Galaxy after all we've seen is one concept art. It can be anything.
That's the point. It could be anything. That rules out definitely being being the Milky Way, now doesn't it?. Why make a concept of a galaxy and not throw in the spiral arms to at least somewhat resemble the MW?
By just making a ringed configuration it opens the door for speculation. Andromeda is the closest and while it may not be M31, it resembles it more so than our own MW.
It's no more humorous than any other speculation thread on anything else we see in the video. I'm just glad to be among a few players passionate enough about the game to give their opinion and while you may not agree, it is still up for questioning. That is all that's being done here.
Nope nope nope. Won't be set in another Galaxy. Why are you reading so much into what is obviously just a very stylized image of our Galaxy?
Andromeda doesn't look like that either.
Nope nope nope. Won't be set in another Galaxy. Why are you reading so much into what is obviously just a very stylized image of our Galaxy?
Andromeda doesn't look like that either.
By 'stylized' you mean, 'looks absolutely nothing like' I guess.
Its a fair guess at what a non-spiral galaxy might look like dead on, we don't have an image of what that would actually look like. We can assume its stylized and means nothing or we can assume its deliberate and put in that conceptual preview for a reason. If we dismiss it, there's no reason not to dismiss everything we were shown in that video. but we don't have a reason to dismiss it.
The ME3 ending issue? In the end people will have to realize that BW will somehow canonize one of their endings maybe changing some elements to make it fit their new story. I don't know what ending will be best probably one that does not to change too much the universe while leaving an open window for them to create a new story. As I see Destroy is the only one that achieve this goal.
Hasn't Casey or some other dev said they wouldn't canonize an ending?
I don't disagree that canonizing an ending, whether by choosing one of melding them together in the distant future, is the only truly viable path to a continued storyline in the Milky Way. But I don't think either is particularly desirable. A clean break to a new galaxy lets the new ME take a step forward without being dragged down with the remains of ME3 endings at all.
This is what I picture as a plausible form of "Ark Theory":
Lets say that years before the Reapers arrived or even the attack on Eden Prime there was some secretive group, a secret society even, that found out about it and began plans to evacuate from the galaxy. Maybe they found out from the Shadow Broker or Saren or something, but in any case this happens. They could have looked into Prothean stasis pods or whatnot as they slowly assembled the massive resources they would need to reestablish themselves in a new galaxy. Then, after Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, their sources hear Shepard's outlandish story about the Citadel being a massive relay with a terminus point outside the galaxy. So they set their scientists to work.
Fast forward three years and the Reaper invasion is underway. The secret society may have received a massive influx of resources and funding from desperate individuals hoping to get a seat. I imagine that the Asari government may have become involved and lent the knowledge of their Prothean beacon to the work. So eventually, perhaps shortly before the Reapers staged their attack to take the Citadel to Earth, this society put their plan into motion and used the Citadel to transport their ark (or arks) to Andromeda, or at least close enough to make the rest of the journey with traditional FTL.
Jump ahead a few centuries or a thousand years, the ark colony has established itself and built up an infrastructure. They may encounter an advanced species that has built or is building a network roughly analogous to the Mass Relay Network or perhaps their own technology has grown advanced enough that they can build relays themselves. Or maybe they just built faster FTL and relays are no longer necessary. I imagine the colony in a state of expansion, looking for resources, setting the stage for much more of a frontier story of discovery rather than what we got in ME2 and ME3.
Then, after Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, their sources hear Shepard's outlandish story about the Citadel being a massive relay with a terminus point outside the galaxy. So they set their scientists to work.
That in itself could be the most powerful tool to build up[on the possibility if outer galactic transportation. In the next ME game we have access to the Citadel's full potential and can freely move between the MW and our closest neighbor.
The Reapers could have just been too full of themselves in claims of manufacturing the Mass Relays. They could have been created millennia before the Reapers and essentially be universal.
For what it's worth, the display doesn't really look like a galaxy to me, MW or otherwise. It looks more like a nebula, to me anyway. I'm not an expert, but I don't see a galaxy in that hologram.
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