I just found this lovely image on ME reddit
Lol. Yeahh sooo, I think the most reasonable thing for Bioware to do is focus on new regions of the Milky Way rather than shoehorn in an entirely different galaxy that belittles all of the history and reputation we learned about our galaxy over the course of the trilogy.
This amuses me greatly.
I just don't get how some people jump to the conclusion that the next setting absolutely has to be Andromeda.
The only thing vaguely pointing to that are the "new region of space" part (which also fits pretty much everywhere in our own galaxy) and one
picture of something that might be a galaxy map of something that seems to be not our galaxy.
->The picture also doesn't look anything like andromeda (Sb something type -> pretty similar to our own Galaxy), but ohh key.
Also (ignoring the problem of how they got there),
If there was an Ark, why would anyone take a krogan with them?
If it was not an ark, there would not have been enough people onboard to build (several!) survivable populations.
So there's a thread we can discuss this. Good.
I'm all for a new galaxy. Or still for the same, but that would mean Bioware would have to throw the no-canon policy out of the window or cleverly (
) find a solution.
Well nothing "has to be", this is all just speculation. That said, the supposed galaxy map image bares more similarity to Andromeda than our own spiral galaxy.I just don't get how some people jump to the conclusion that the next setting absolutely has to be Andromeda.
The only thing vaguely pointing to that are the "new region of space" part (which also fits pretty much everywhere in our own galaxy) and one
picture of something that might be a galaxy map of something that seems to be not our galaxy.
->The picture also doesn't look anything like andromeda (Sb something type -> pretty similar to our own Galaxy), but ohh key.
Also (ignoring the problem of how they got there),
If there was an Ark, why would anyone take a krogan with them?
If it was not an ark, there would not have been enough people onboard to build (several!) survivable populations.
I see the Ark Theory as preserving everything and destroying nothing. It simply let's the MW and effects of the Reaper War be their own thing without forcing canonization or improbable homogenization while allowing a separate new storyline to take off.
You seem to want a continuation, durasteel, but I think Bioware has made it clear that their leaving the trilogy behind for a fresh start.
You would destroy everything that could be to preserve nothingness.
The thing is, the Mass Effect setting is fictional--it lack objective reality that would allow it to continue on by itself if left unmolested. Unless content is created after the RGB stink bomb goes off, the universe after that point doesn't exist, and by preventing that content from being created you are killing its potential. Unless the story goes forward, there is nothing to preserve.
The natural progression of storytelling is to answer the question "What happens next?" To impose an artificial boundary to that and scream "THE END!" while that question remains unanswered is destructive.
BioWare have said that Shepard's story is over. They've never said that everywhere Shepard's ever been, everyone Shepard's ever met, and everything Shepard's ever touched must be forever quarantined, and that its future may never ever be more than a single odd scene of an old man and a child sharing a moment under the stars.
You would destroy everything that could be to preserve nothingness.
The thing is, the Mass Effect setting is fictional--it lack objective reality that would allow it to continue on by itself if left unmolested. Unless content is created after the RGB stink bomb goes off, the universe after that point doesn't exist, and by preventing that content from being created you are killing its potential. Unless the story goes forward, there is nothing to preserve.
The natural progression of storytelling is to answer the question "What happens next?" To impose an artificial boundary to that and scream "THE END!" while that question remains unanswered is destructive.
BioWare have said that Shepard's story is over. They've never said that everywhere Shepard's ever been, everyone Shepard's ever met, and everything Shepard's ever touched must be forever quarantined, and that its future may never ever be more than a single odd scene of an old man and a child sharing a moment under the stars.
This. It's the end of Shepard's story, not everything that Shepard was ever involved in in the entire Universe.
There are so many unknowns here, you can't possibly take "travel to the other side of the galaxy" as proof of being in the MW. Indeed, that would be a bit odd when talking about new space, since we could already do that in previous games.
You are so contradictive of yourself...
"There are so many unknowns here, you can't possibly take "travel to the other side of the galaxy" as proof of being in the MW." So how come you're so damn sure that everything we saw in the trailer points towards another Galaxy? "Travel to the other side of the Galaxy" and "new space" weren't even in the same sentence - completely unrelated. We can travel across the Galaxy to NEW LOCATIONS, you do realise that?
As I said before, in case anyone missed it, if we can't take "travel to the other side of the Galaxy" as proof of being in the MW, then there's no way we can take "new region of space" as meaning another Galaxy.
You would destroy everything that could be to preserve nothingness.
The thing is, the Mass Effect setting is fictional--it lack objective reality that would allow it to continue on by itself if left unmolested. Unless content is created after the RGB stink bomb goes off, the universe after that point doesn't exist, and by preventing that content from being created you are killing its potential. Unless the story goes forward, there is nothing to preserve.
The natural progression of storytelling is to answer the question "What happens next?" To impose an artificial boundary to that and scream "THE END!" while that question remains unanswered is destructive.
BioWare have said that Shepard's story is over. They've never said that everywhere Shepard's ever been, everyone Shepard's ever met, and everything Shepard's ever touched must be forever quarantined, and that its future may never ever be more than a single odd scene of an old man and a child sharing a moment under the stars.
Does Denerim cease to exist because no subsequent entry after Dragon Age: Origins features it? Will Kirkwall vanish because its fate isn't addressed in Inquisition? I would have to say that's false, simply a matter of limited imagination.
That story isn't going forward. They've bent over backwards to tell us that this entry will be unrelated to Shepard's arc. Sorry to tell you this, but ME3 drew the entirety of known ME into Shepard's arc. The genophage, the geth/quarians, and the very fate of the galaxy post ME3 is the conclusion of Shepard's arc. You seem to want to explore the consequences of those decisions, but that isn't happening.
It seems like you want to play "Mass Effect: Shepard's Legacy" and I want to play "Mass Effect: A New Adventure".
This. It's the end of Shepard's story, not everything that Shepard was ever involved in in the entire Universe.
The fate of the galaxy is Shepard's story, thanks to the ME3 endings.
It seems like you want to play "Mass Effect: Shepard's Legacy" and I want to play "Mass Effect: A New Adventure".
The fate of the galaxy is Shepard's story, thanks to the ME3 endings.
Nobody wants to play Shepard's Legacy, they want to play "Mass Effect: A Game Set in a Galaxy We Have Helped Create".
I didn't say anything about the fate of the Galaxy. Sure, Shepard's choice affected the whole Galaxy, but it didn't end it. Shepard's story is over; that doesn't mean the Galaxy was destroyed or ruined beyond all repair and the only option open to Bioware is just say "**** it" and essentially reboot the franchise. And it would be a reboot, just like taking Star Wars and setting it in OUR Galaxy would be a reboot.
You are so contradictive of yourself...
"There are so many unknowns here, you can't possibly take "travel to the other side of the galaxy" as proof of being in the MW." So how come you're so damn sure that everything we saw in the trailer points towards another Galaxy? "Travel to the other side of the Galaxy" and "new space" weren't even in the same sentence - completely unrelated. We can travel across the Galaxy to NEW LOCATIONS, you do realise that?
As I said before, in case anyone missed it, if we can't take "travel to the other side of the Galaxy" as proof of being in the MW, then there's no way we can take "new region of space" as meaning another Galaxy.
You do realize that nobody has ever been talking about proof here, right Brit? We're all just speculating. "Travel to the other side of the galaxy" could refer to this galaxy or another. It just doesn't make much sense to be ours, since we've already been from one end to the other in previous ME games. "New space" could indicate a new galaxy or new locations in this galaxy, or a different dimension for all we know. But a location in this galaxy makes it very hard to maintain that distance from Shepard's arc they've been going on about unless they cut themselves off from the relay network entirely, which would accomplish much the same effect as traveling to a different galaxy.
I really don't understand why you've been getting so frothing-at-the-mouth over the idea of Ark Theory.
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I really don't understand why you've been getting so frothing-at-the-mouth over the idea of Ark Theory.
Mostly because it would mean that for at least the next few years the future of the known Mass Effect universe would be limited to the stargazer scene, while a completely new and unfamiliar setting would be launched to usurp the Mass Effect name in an attempt to get us to forget the shitty ending to the last game.
Nobody wants to play Shepard's Legacy, they want to play "Mass Effect: A Game Set in a Galaxy We Have Helped Create".
I didn't say anything about the fate of the Galaxy. Sure, Shepard's choice affected the whole Galaxy, but it didn't end it. Shepard's story is over; that doesn't mean the Galaxy was destroyed or ruined beyond all repair and the only option open to Bioware is just say "**** it" and essentially reboot the franchise. And it would be a reboot, just like taking Star Wars and setting it in OUR Galaxy would be a reboot.
And that's just the problem. Do you mean the Canon-Destroy galaxy or the Endings-Homogenized-to-Meaninglessness galaxy? Because I didn't help create either of those and I want them to respect choice more, not less. You're asking for Shepard's Legacy. You want to explore the post-Shepard's choice galaxy. Tough. That's not what Bioware's been advertising. "New" has been their buzz word.
I hate the idea of a reboot. On the contrary, I see Ark Theory as the only path to any sort of narrative continuation for the franchise that respects player choice.
Mostly because it would mean that for at least the next few years the future of the known Mass Effect universe would be limited to the stargazer scene, while a completely new and unfamiliar setting would be launched to usurp the Mass Effect name in an attempt to get us to forget the shitty ending to the last game.
The future of the ME universe is whatever you interpret the EC narration to mean it is.
That doesn't mean TheEliteBrit has to act as if its a personal affront.
I just don't get how some people jump to the conclusion that the next setting absolutely has to be Andromeda.
Who has said that?
As an aside, the ability to rapidly go from one side of the galaxy to the other (as suggested in the reveal) would imply a relay network, which is both a core element of the Mass Effect franchise (it's kind of named after it) and a definitively Reaper/Leviathan technology.
If the next game is a spin off set in Andromeda or some other galaxy no one cares about, then there are really only a couple of possibilities:
Am I missing a third option?
You do realize that nobody has ever been talking about proof here, right Brit? We're all just speculating. "Travel to the other side of the galaxy" could refer to this galaxy or another. It just doesn't make much sense to be ours, since we've already been from one end to the other in previous ME games. "New space" could indicate a new galaxy or new locations in this galaxy, or a different dimension for all we know. But a location in this galaxy makes it very hard to maintain that distance from Shepard's arc they've been going on about unless they cut themselves off from the relay network entirely, which would accomplish much the same effect as traveling to a different galaxy.
I really don't understand why you've been getting so frothing-at-the-mouth over the idea of Ark Theory.
"doesn't make much sense to be ours" Seriously, how does it not make sense? Where are you getting this?
I just think this Ark Theory is an absoloutely ludicrous idea and I would bet all the money in the world that it will NEVER happen.
And that's just the problem. Do you mean the Canon-Destroy galaxy or the Endings-Homogenized-to-Meaninglessness galaxy? Because I didn't help create either of those and I want them to respect choice more, not less. You're asking for Shepard's Legacy. You want to explore the post-Shepard's choice galaxy. Tough. That's not what Bioware's been advertising. "New" has been their buzz word.
I hate the idea of a reboot. On the contrary, I see Ark Theory as the only path to any sort of narrative continuation for the franchise that respects player choice.
"That's not what Bioware's been advertising." I'm sorry, Bioware hasn't been advertising anything yet. They've said new, sure. How does that mean getting rid of EVERYTHING THEY'VE BUILT? You are deluded, seriously. I don't want Shepard's Legacy, I want Mass Effect. Not "Mass Effect without Mass Relays or any means of traveling through a Galaxy and a ridiculous cop-out 'ark theory' ".
And that's just the problem. Do you mean the Canon-Destroy galaxy or the Endings-Homogenized-to-Meaninglessness galaxy? Because I didn't help create either of those and I want them to respect choice more, not less. You're asking for Shepard's Legacy. You want to explore the post-Shepard's choice galaxy. Tough. That's not what Bioware's been advertising. "New" has been their buzz word.
I hate the idea of a reboot. On the contrary, I see Ark Theory as the only path to any sort of narrative continuation for the franchise that respects player choice.
As I see it, respecting a player's choice means presenting a game world where the effects of that choice are evident and apparent. A game world wherein those choices simply do not matter, like a GNOCA (galaxy no one cares about,) does not respect that choice, it avoids it.
It is possible to create a game that respects most of the player's previous choices, including the fate of the Geth, Quarians, Krogan, and Rachni, but only at the expense of respecting the final choice between red, blue, green, or black (I think refuse should be called the black ending to keep the terms consistent.) If you design a game that respects the space magic color choice, however, you sacrifice your ability to significantly respect most of the choices that came before it. That is, after all, one of the big reasons given for loathing the space magic ending in the first place.
That damage has been done. It simply isn't possible to respect everything that has gone before, but that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater, even if there is a turd floating in the tub. The decisions you made as Shepard were made to texture a fictional setting that you cared about. To respect the spirit of those choices is to preserve that setting, even if it means disregarding the specific choice you might have made at the time.
The future of the ME universe is whatever you interpret the EC narration to mean it is.
That doesn't mean TheEliteBrit has to act as if its a personal affront.
It is a personal affront for me, because Mass Effect means a lot to me. It's literally the only game/media I care about and I don't want Bioware to mess it up.
...Do you mean the Canon-Destroy galaxy or the Endings-Homogenized-to-Meaninglessness galaxy? Because I didn't help create either of those ...
Out of curiousity, which color of space magic did you select?
Does Denerim cease to exist because no subsequent entry after Dragon Age: Origins features it? Will Kirkwall vanish because its fate isn't addressed in Inquisition? I would have to say that's false, simply a matter of limited imagination.
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The Inquisition visits Ferelden, and might visit Denerim. At the very least, we will interact with people who will be able to tell us what is currently going on in Denerim, so Denerim will exist in the next Dragon Age game with an immediacy and vibrancy much greater than "back before we sodded off to this GNOCA, there used to be this place called London... it was real nice in parts, not so nice in others... probably a smoking crater now." Same with Kirkwall--I assure you that the Inquisitor will have an opportunity to hear about current events in the Free Marches.
As an aside, the ability to rapidly go from one side of the galaxy to the other (as suggested in the reveal) would imply a relay network, which is both a core element of the Mass Effect franchise (it's kind of named after it) and a definitively Reaper/Leviathan technology.
If the next game is a spin off set in Andromeda or some other galaxy no one cares about, then there are really only a couple of possibilities:
- There could be a mass relay network built by some other race of god aliens which might as well be Leviathans/Reapers and which just happened to come up with the same tech; or
- After millions of years broken into 50,000 cycles of races learning about element zero and the mass effect from studying the relay networks built by the Reapers, ours is the first batch of spacefaring sentients to miraculously invent a technology that can generate a mass effect corridor without the need for relays. On the one hand this would explain how we could get to a galaxy no one cares about, but on the other hand it would be really stupid in the context of the existing lore.
Am I missing a third option?
Sure, ME4 takes place centuries to a thousand years after the initial settlement and they've begun producing their own mass relays and scattering them throughout the stars.
I don't see a problem with the first option though. No "God aliens" are necessary. The Protheans managed to get the technology working shortly before their cycle ended. It's not outside the realm of believability that aliens native to this galaxy discovered Eezo and came up with a similar idea that eventually became mass relay tech. Or maybe, the settlers helped them develop it together before the start of the game.
The Inquisition visits Ferelden, and might visit Denerim. At the very least, we will interact with people who will be able to tell us what is currently going on in Denerim, so Denerim will exist in the next Dragon Age game with an immediacy and vibrancy much greater than "back before we sodded off to this GNOCA, there used to be this place called London... it was real nice in parts, not so nice in others... probably a smoking crater now." Same with Kirkwall--I assure you that the Inquisitor will have an opportunity to hear about current events in the Free Marches.
And if they didn't? Would they cease to exist?
Out of curiousity, which color of space magic did you select?
Red first, now I've done all three. I choose green for giggles now. I'm quite happy to leave the galaxy as a bizarre transhuman utopia.
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