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[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

DAO spoilers

Your character becomes a Grey Warden and gives cookies to the Queen of Antiva to cross to the circle tower.

[AkiKishi]

So who else doesn't want the game to treat the main character like a Mary Sue whom every character you meet is bending over for?

 

Playersexuality puts too much importance on the protagonist in the setting in ways that he or she should not be able to influence.  That Alistair is interested in women is true across all playthroughs (not counting non-canon mods)

 

While there is nothing inherently immersion breaking in all characters being interested in the main character, it just strikes me as too contrived and reduces the characters to more of a checklist than fully fleshed out individuals

 

Me. I agree with everything you said.

[fighterchick]

Your character becomes a Grey Warden and gives cookies to the Queen of Antiva to cross to the circle tower.

 

Loved that scene!    I always had Morrigan threaten the Queen of Antiva instead, though.

[Aries_cz]

I don't think the characters should exist to serve as wish fulfillment, they should be there to contribute to the story's plot and themes, not there to provide Rule 34 fodder.

 

Just the existence of something provides fodder for Rule 34. And I am sure there will be a lot of results of it

[LPPrince]

Your character becomes a Grey Warden and gives cookies to the Queen of Antiva to cross to the circle tower.

 

Oh nooooooo

 

*okay I need to stop, rofl*

 

Queen of Antiva romance tho pls

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Loved that scene!    I always had Morrigan threaten the Queen of Antiva instead, though.

What a twist! M. Knight Commander Shyamalan would be proud.

[Mockingword]

Because, I don't tend to go around forcing lesbians to love me.

Neither do I. I want all vaginas very far away from me.

[Mockingword]

These characters don't exist as personality lacking sex husks- they have their own in game histories, predispositions, and motivations driving them. Why should those be overridden because some guy or gal gets hot in the britches about them? Beings with agency don't act that way. Not everyone seems to get it. :/

They can all be bisexual and still have agency. Bisexual people in real life are not lacking in agency. The characters in DA2 had agency, and would refrain from or end a relationship under specific circumstances.

 

Nobody is asking that the characters be a slave to the player's every whim. They merely don't want restrictions to be based on gender.

[LPPrince]

Loved that scene!    I always had Morrigan threaten the Queen of Antiva instead, though.

 

Inquisition needs more Morrithreats

[LinksOcarina]

 

So who else doesn't want the game to treat the main character like a Mary Sue whom every character you meet is bending over for?

 

Playersexuality puts too much importance on the protagonist in the setting in ways that he or she should not be able to influence.  That Alistair is interested in women is true across all playthroughs (not counting non-canon mods)

 

While there is nothing inherently immersion breaking in all characters being interested in the main character, it just strikes me as too contrived and reduces the characters to more of a checklist than fully fleshed out individuals

 

I am confused by this.

 

People complained that Hawke had no agency in Dragon Age II, and was strung along for the ride because of the nature of the storyline. Yet there were complaints about romances due to players choice having agency.

 

which way do you guys want it? It seems like Inquisition is offering that checklist to you because of the complaints if anything, which is even more worrisome if you ask me. 

[Steelcan]

I am confused by this.

 

People complained that Hawke had no agency in Dragon Age II, and was strung along for the ride because of the nature of the storyline. Yet there were complaints about romances due to players choice having agency.

 

which way do you guys want it? It seems like Inquisition is offering that checklist to you because of the complaints if anything, which is even more worrisome if you ask me. 

 

Can you clarify a bit?  I'm not following you either

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Inquisition needs more Morrithreats

At no point do we ever see Alistair, we just hear Steve Valentine's voice come out of one of her bags, and see her bring out a toad in a jar,

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

They can all be bisexual and still have agency. Bisexual people in real life are not lacking in agency. The characters in DA2 had agency, and would refrain from or end a relationship under specific circumstances.

 

Nobody is asking that the characters be a slave to the player's every whim. They merely don't want restrictions to be based on gender.

Yes; however the life experience of a lesbian or gay individual is going to be a little different than that of a straight or bisexual person- to make everyone bisexual, you remove the possibility of barking up the wrong tree- a really human thing to leave our of a series focused so much on player immersion.

This, however, will be my last thoughts on the subject. Have a good day.

[Judas Bock]

Not twitter-related, but the official site has an article up on Blackwall:

 

http://www.dragonage...ofile-blackwall

 

Edit: Oops, thought I was in the twitter thread. Anyhow might be relevant here as well, as at least I totally hope that he'll be an LI. Dat beard...

[LPPrince]

At no point do we ever see Alistair, we just hear Steve Valentine's voice come out of one of her bags, and see her bring out a toad in a jar,

 

The reaction on the forums would be glorious

 

Morrigan would have to make a joke about Wardens in DAO being a part of The Princess and The Frog

[LinksOcarina]

Can you clarify a bit?  I'm not following you either

 

It feels like you were saying that the "player-centric" aspect of Dragon Age II was a bad idea, for various reasons,yet Dragon Age II avoided those failings.

 

It just strikes me odd from a larger point of view too that it was even a complaint, because it was one of the major aspects of the game that delivered agency to the player, you were impacting your relationships with various characters with either some, or none, in the case of Aveline, success. Especially in a game where you weren't superman, and weren't supposed to be. A lot of people felt that was missing in Dragon Age II as well, so its sort of contradictory as a statement. 

 

I don't know, I think the "player-centric" romances were fine. I feel like BioWare is more likely to do the checklist with Inquisition by offering a quota of types for players to romance. Then again romances were never a major impact on the game to begin with, it was always a side-quest style aspect that added character to the situation. 

[Lucy Glitter]

Your character becomes a Grey Warden and gives cookies to the Queen of Antiva to cross to the circle tower.

[AresKeith]

OP you might wanna change the title

[LPPrince]

Lucy pls

[AkiKishi]

OP you might wanna change the title

 

The title is from something a Bioware guy said in an interview. It's not entirely a serious thread I think. 

[Steelcan]

It feels like you were saying that the "player-centric" aspect of Dragon Age II was a bad idea, for various reasons,yet Dragon Age II avoided those failings.

 

It just strikes me odd from a larger point of view too that it was even a complaint, because it was one of the major aspects of the game that delivered agency to the player, you were impacting your relationships with various characters with either some, or none, in the case of Aveline, success. Especially in a game where you weren't superman, and weren't supposed to be. A lot of people felt that was missing in Dragon Age II as well, so its sort of contradictory as a statement. 

 

I don't know, I think the "player-centric" romances were fine. I feel like BioWare is more likely to do the checklist with Inquisition by offering a quota of types for players to romance. Then again romances were never a major impact on the game to begin with, it was always a side-quest style aspect that added character to the situation. 

DA2 suffered from a disconnect, we are constantly told how badass Hawke is, yet his/her life is one fail after another.

 

 

Also I think I might prefer a lack of agency in romance rather than in the main story.  I'd MUCH prefer a dynamic storyline that reacts to my choices than romances who react to my choices.

[Mockingword]

Yes; however the life experience of a lesbian or gay individual is going to be a little different than that of a straight or bisexual person- to make everyone bisexual, you remove the possibility of barking up the wrong tree- a really human thing to leave our of a series focused so much on player immersion.

This, however, will be my last thoughts on the subject. Have a good day.

Since we're dealing with the imaginary population of an imaginary planet that differs from Earth in key fundamental ways, the life experiences of individuals can't be known, regardless of sexuality.

[LPPrince]

The title is from something a Bioware guy said in an interview. It's not entirely a serious thread I think. 

 

This is absolutely a lighthearted thread meant partially for discussing the number of romances and partially for having fun with it. Serious stuff goes in the Feedback and Suggestions area.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

DA2 suffered from a disconnect, we are constantly told how badass Hawke is, yet his/her life is one fail after another.

 

 

Also I think I might prefer a lack of agency in romance rather than in the main story.  I'd MUCH prefer a dynamic storyline that reacts to my choices than romances who react to my choices.

What Steelcan is saying, I believe, is Forego Romance, Acquire Legend.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

This is absolutely a lighthearted thread meant partially for discussing the number of romances and partially for having fun with it. Serious stuff goes in the Feedback and Suggestions area.

7 BILLION ROMANCES, STARTING WITH CARROLL, THE TEMPLAR QUEEN OF ANTIVA IS CERTAINLY NO JOKING MATTER