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[Melca36]

That's why I like Gaider.

 

You want romance? Work for it damnit, people don't just throw themselves at you just because you're pretty pixels!

I agree with this. I think alot of people just want everything handed to them. Thats not how games work

[LPPrince]

It's a roleplaying game. If you didn't get everything you wanted in one playthrough, role-play differently to experience the other content.

 

He said a long time ago that he(and the rest of the devs) were no longer afraid of players missing out on something.

 

DA2 handed us everything.

 

DA:I? Work for it.

 

And that I can get behind.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I agree with this. I think alot of people just want everything handed to them. Thats not how games work

If stuff is just handed to you, it has less value- the good things in life (and games) you work for.

[Melca36]

It's a roleplaying game. If you didn't get everything you wanted in one playthrough, role-play differently to experience the other content.

 

He said a long time ago that he(and the rest of the devs) were no longer afraid of players missing out on something.

 

DA2 handed us everything.

 

DA:I? Work for it.

 

And that I can get behind.

 

 

Exactly. Thats called getting your money's worth. When I invest money in a game I don't play it one time.

[Kimarous]

Work for it? Sounds more like "We're running the show and **** you." It's feeling like player choice is being taken away with this instalment. Not only have our past characters been violently ripped from our hands, but the whole romance situation is presented as "Go in blind, reroll if you're not happy." I'm LOSING respect at this point.

[Melca36]

If stuff is just handed to you, it has less value- the good things in life (and games) you work for.

Thats exactly how I feel.  I want to be able to have a sense of accomplishment when I play games.

[LPPrince]

Exactly. Thats called getting your money's worth. When I invest money in a game I don't play it one time.

 

I do, depending on the game. But Bioware's titles are great for replayability, so I should absolutely be playing them more than once.

 

The only Bioware game I have not completed twice, appropriately enough-DA2.

 

Hopefully DA:I gets more than one run out of me, like Bio titles usually do. And this romance thing helps that along.

[LPPrince]

Work for it? Sounds more like "We're running the show and **** you." It's feeling like player choice is being taken away with this instalment. Not only have our past characters been violently ripped from our hands, but the whole romance situation is presented as "Go in blind, reroll if you're not happy." I'm LOSING respect at this point.

 

It adds importance, variance, and thus substance to player choice. By choosing specific options, you have certain things available to you, and other things locked off. That way, you're influenced to make new choices you wouldn't usually make to experience new content, whether that be playing a character as a different gender than you're used to, romancing a different character, going to a different place, etc etc

 

As for "past characters being violently ripped from our hands" if you're referring to the playable characters(Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor), it was advertised many years ago that each Dragon Age title would have a different playable protagonist. That hasn't changed, and isn't likely to change ever.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Work for it? Sounds more like "We're running the show and **** you." It's feeling like player choice is being taken away with this instalment. Not only have our past characters been violently ripped from our hands, but the whole romance situation is presented as "Go in blind, reroll if you're not happy." I'm LOSING respect at this point.

"Our characters" "violently" It sounds like you didn't have any true respect to begin with- the creator of the work is the owner of it, not you- you pay for the pleasure of experiencing their ideas.

[Andraste_Reborn]

The thing that concerns me about race-gating is that some race/gender/orientation combinations might get stuck with no choice of LI. I'd hate my dwarf to end up in the same position as gay and lesbian PCs in DAO because one of the male options thinks she's too short .

 

If everyone gets choices and they're just different choices depending on your character's race, I would be OK with that. But I'm not going to be very happy if - inventing an example here - straight human male Inquisitors have Cassandra, Vivienne and Scribbles and my dwarf only has Cullen.

 

(No offence to Cullen fans, but the only way I'm romancing him is with a mage.)

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

It adds importance, variance, and thus substance to player choice. By choosing specific options, you have certain things available to you, and other things locked off. That way, you're influenced to make new choices you wouldn't usually make to experience new content, whether that be playing a character as a different gender than you're used to, romancing a different character, going to a different place, etc etc

 

As for "past characters being violently ripped from our hands" if you're referring to the playable characters(Warden, Hawke, Inquisitor), it was advertised many years ago that each Dragon Age title would have a different playable protagonist. That hasn't changed, and isn't likely to change ever.

Hyperbole is the only date the Drama Queen brings to prom, sadly.

[LPPrince]

The thing that concerns me about race-gating is that some race/gender/orientation combinations might get stuck with no choice of LI. I'd hate my dwarf to end up in the same position as gay and lesbian PCs in DAO because one of the male options thinks she's too short .

 

If everyone gets choices and they're just different choices depending on your character's race, I would be OK with that. But I'm not going to be very happy if - inventing an example here - straight human male Inquisitors have Cassandra, Vivienne and Scribbles and my dwarf only has Cullen.

 

(No offence to Cullen fans, but the only way I'm romancing him is with a mage.)

 

Everyone's gonna have a choice. You won't have to worry about that.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

The thing that concerns me about race-gating is that some race/gender/orientation combinations might get stuck with no choice of LI. I'd hate my dwarf to end up in the same position as gay and lesbian PCs in DAO because one of the male options thinks she's too short .

 

If everyone gets choices and they're just different choices depending on your character's race, I would be OK with that. But I'm not going to be very happy if - inventing an example here - straight human male Inquisitors have Cassandra, Vivienne and Scribbles and my dwarf only has Cullen.

 

(No offence to Cullen fans, but the only way I'm romancing him is with a mage.)

Bioware is going to be handing out LIs like Oprah handed out floor model prizes.

[LPPrince]

Bioware is going to be handing out LIs like Oprah handed out floor model prizes.

 

Whoa whoa whoa, I already made that joke, what are you doin

[Andraste_Reborn]

Everyone's gonna have a choice. You won't have to worry about that.

 

How do we know that for sure, though? They've said they don't want to stick people with one option because of their gender and orientation, but they haven't said the same about race.

 

I mean, I would like to think that all this means is that a Varric romance is more likely, but given that David Gaider says there's no guarantee everyone will have the same number of options and we may need to roll a different protagonist if we want someone in particular, I'm not feeling very confidant.

 

Given that female dwarf was probably the least-played race/gender combination in Origins, I don't know how much specific investment I can expect here.

[LPPrince]

How do we know that for sure, though? They've said they don't want to stick people with one option because of their gender and orientation, but they haven't said the same about race.

 

I mean, I would like to think that all this means is that a Varric romance is more likely, but given that David Gaider says there's no guarantee everyone will have the same number of options and we may need to roll a different protagonist if we want someone in particular, I'm not feeling very confidant.

 

Given that female dwarf was probably

 

You realize all it would take is having two romances or even one that anyone regardless of race or gender can romance, right? Not that hard.

 

They aren't going to be so far into dev that they're gonna go, "Whoops, this one combo's got no options, ahh well, carry on"

 

Don't worry. Everyone will have options.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Whoa whoa whoa, I already made that joke, what are you doin

Whoops! /dies

[StrangeStrategy]

That's why I like Gaider.

 

You want romance? Work for it damnit, people don't just throw themselves at you just because you're pretty pixels!

 

Its hilarious, because we know Iron Bull's reasons for not romancing the smaller races will be "I'd split you in half." xD

[LPPrince]

Its hilarious, because we know Iron Bull's reasons for not romancing the smaller races will be "I'd split you in half." xD

 

hahaha

 

QunarixDwarf, only in dreams

[Andraste_Reborn]

Don't worry. Everyone will have options.

 

I just wish a dev would say that .

[LPPrince]

I just wish a dev would say that .

 

The very last sentence-

 

[Urazz]

I'm glad that Gaider and the other devs are no longer afraid to limit options and actually make the choices mean something.  You really shouldn't be able to get everything at once.

 

In DA2, I could play the game with the same exact Hawke the exact same way regardless with the only exception being what his LI is.  I feel it pretty much limited the replayability of the game on top of the other things that hampered DA2's replayability.  Don't get me wrong, I still played several playthroughs of DA2 but it was only like half of the ones I did on DA:O.

[Andraste_Reborn]

See, I would feel a lot more reassured by that if I knew what he meant about 'particular group'. Does he mean every combination of race, gender and orientation has options, or does he only mean that no particular race is favoured? There could be four options for dwarves in total, but if three of them are female that's not much good to my Inquisitor.

[Urazz]

I'm thinking that they are going to try to keep at least some sort of balance between male and female love interests.  I don't think it's going to be so lopsided as having 3 female love interests for dwarves and only one male.  I can see something like 2 out of 3 are for a particular gender or 3 out of 5 for example.  You know have it be somewhat slanted towards one side but not necessarily favoring another.