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[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

YMMV of course, but most of the friends of mine that were BG2 fans that dealt with racial restriction hated it.  Unless they were playing a human male, then they would talk about the romances being pretty good.  

 

I hated it too, and I still hate it whenever I play BG2.  My solution to that is to just skip the romances in that game.

For the record, I played a good number of gender/ race combos- I was let down some, sure, but it never broke the game for me. In fact, I LIKED that my choices altered my experiences.

[BabyFratelli]

So if there's anyone race locked (and assuming he is romanceable), would we perhaps assumed that The Iron Bull is the one effected, as he won't sleep with an elf (and human?) because they're not, uhm, sturdy enough?

 

I can't think of any other reasons why the others would be race locked. Maybe Varric, but I think of everyone he's the least likely to be a romance at all. (don't shoot me, it'd be neat if he was, I'm just unsure it will happen.)

[LPPrince]

I like romances being a little more "human" or rather, "real" in a fictional setting, because while dragons and magic and crazy mages and templars aren't real, relationships are, and these restrictions I feel add to the feeling that a relationship is a two person connection, rather than one spinning the wheel solo.

[Grieving Natashina]

Well, I mean, as much as it sucks, people have their preferences. I'm a tall white male with a beard. There are people who- through no fault of there own- that would take issue with one or more of those traits- it makes it a little more real. I mean, if our world had Humans, Dwarves, Elves, and Qunari, do you think there wouldn't be people who had issues with some of those traits? Especially in a medieval-ish time period?

 

I didn't hear anyone complaining much during Origins when all of the LIs (gated per sexuality/gender) could get together with the Warden.  In fact, I read a lot of people calling Alistair a racist because he breaks it off, despite it being about primarily politics.   So I'm not sure why it's an issue now?

 

 

For the record, I played a good number of gender/ race combos- I was let down some, sure, but it never broke the game for me. In fact, I LIKED that my choices altered my experiences.

I never said it broke the game for me.  I said that I hated the romance content in that game and was happy to ignore it.  That's the difference.   As a woman especially, I hated it.  As a male character, it felt like I had a great choice of: Elf, elf, half-elf.  Woohoo.   

 

As a woman, it was..one human.

 

I mean this with no sarcasm: I'm glad you enjoyed the romance content, but I couldn't get into it.  

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

So if there's anyone race locked (and assuming he is romanceable), would we perhaps assumed that The Iron Bull is the one effected, as he won't sleep with an elf (and human?) because they're not, uhm, sturdy enough?

 

I can't think of any other reasons why the others would be race locked. Maybe Varric, but I think of everyone he's the least likely to be a romance at all. (don't shoot me, it'd be neat if he was, I'm just unsure it will happen.)

Humans might still be on the table- perhaps literally, from what we know of Iron Bull- but Elves are looking a little doubtful. Maybe someone like Vivienne wouldn't date an Elf or Qunari due to social stigmas, as she's a social climber. Or maybe Sera, in addition to being lesbian, won't date Humans due to the unfair historical mistreatment at the hands of humans. I mean, there are reasons- good reasons- someone might not go for another people in Thedas.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I like romances being a little more "human" or rather, "real" in a fictional setting, because while dragons and magic and crazy mages and templars aren't real, relationships are, and these restrictions I feel add to the feeling that a relationship is a two person connection, rather than one spinning the wheel solo.

I have too much experience with spinning the wheel sol- I mean, wait, what?

[LPPrince]

So if there's anyone race locked (and assuming he is romanceable), would we perhaps assumed that The Iron Bull is the one effected, as he won't sleep with an elf (and human?) because they're not, uhm, sturdy enough?

 

I can't think of any other reasons why the others would be race locked. Maybe Varric, but I think of everyone he's the least likely to be a romance at all. (don't shoot me, it'd be neat if he was, I'm just unsure it will happen.)

 

Nah, that makes sense. I can see that.

[Phate Phoenix]

Oh my God.
 
An Inquisitor. Romancing Iron Bull. Telling Morrigan about it.
 
The horrified look on her face

 

I would apologize but I'm not sorry. 

MORRIGAN: How do you still walk?
INQUISITOR: I. What?
MORRIGAN: Your storyteller, Varric, told you and your Qunari have been intimate.
INQUISITOR: Ah, first, he’s not my Qunari. Second, how drunk did you get Varric for him to tell you that?
MORRIGAN: T’was less the liquor and more the root I put in it. Unnoticed.
INQUISITOR: [PAUSES] Noted.
MORRIGAN: [BEGINS TO WALK AROUND THE INQUISITOR] You appear unmaimed, bones unfractured,  no obvious bruising... [PRODS AT INQUISITOR’S HIPS]
INQUISITOR: [SWATS HER AWAY] I will now, with your bony fingers poking me! Why are you so curious?
MORRIGAN: [EYES NARROW] No reason. Excuse me, I have... a letter to write.
[MORRIGAN STRIDES AWAY, THE INQUISITOR WATCHES UNTIL SHE IS GONE FROM SIGHT]
INQUISITOR: ... [STOIC FACE BREAKS] Ow ow ow ow.

[TheTurtle]

So if there's anyone race locked (and assuming he is romanceable), would we perhaps assumed that The Iron Bull is the one effected, as he won't sleep with an elf (and human?) because they're not, uhm, sturdy enough?

I can't think of any other reasons why the others would be race locked. Maybe Varric, but I think of everyone he's the least likely to be a romance at all. (don't shoot me, it'd be neat if he was, I'm just unsure it will happen.)

If Solas is a romance I could see him not wanting a human.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

I didn't hear anyone complaining much during Origins when all of the LIs (gated per sexuality/gender) could get together with the Warden.  In fact, I read a lot of people calling Alistair a racist because he breaks it off, despite it being about primarily politics.   So I'm not sure why it's an issue now?

 

 

 

I never said it broke the game for me.  I said that I hated the romance content and was happy to ignore it.  That's the difference.   

Yes, Alistair is proving himself subject to Ferelden cultural stigmas by shutting down a non-human love interest. However, especially in the case of him having an Elven wife as king, that could easily start a war, so fresh on the heels of the Blight. Orlais might even get involved, as it could cause rebellion and unrest.

Romance content isn't the main reason why I play, but it feels- to me- like it makes the world a little more real. A more human concern, petty and superficial as it may be.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I just thought this little gem was quite interesting on the aspects of the romances!!

 

 

Dear David, 

 

[LPPrince]

I have too much experience with spinning the wheel sol- I mean, wait, what?

 

That my own little in-the-moment metaphor for making all the decisions yourself.

 

In a game, its easy for that to happen. We, as players, are making decisions that affect the game in certain ways that get us what we want;or don't.

 

In relationships, that can't fly, or at least shouldn't;in a relationship, it should be a two person thing, with people working together to make each other and themselves happy.

 

DA2 at least to me felt very much like the one sided sort of thing. Pick who you want, go for it. They'll like you anyway. Even if they disagree with you they'll still lay with you(rivalmance).

 

But in Inquisition, the other person, the other character, they have preferences and ideas of who they want to be in a relationship with and what they want in that relationship.

 

So work with them to make it awesome, or don't. It just takes one to make the wheel stop.

[Grieving Natashina]

Yes, Alistair is proving himself subject to Ferelden cultural stigmas by shutting down a non-human love interest. However, especially in the case of him having an Elven wife as king, that could easily start a war, so fresh on the heels of the Blight. Orlais might even get involved, as it could cause rebellion and unrest.

Again, it made sense why he would shut down a romance with anyone that isn't a human noble due to politics.  However, that didn't stop him from falling in love with the lady Warden no matter what race was prior to that.  So again, why was race a non-issue for attraction back then, and it is now?

 

I wouldn't mind if this had come up at any other point in the games as a mechanic for the player.  To throw this in there now seems like so many steps back.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

That my own little in-the-moment metaphor for making all the decisions yourself.

 

In a game, its easy for that to happen. We, as players, are making decisions that affect the game in certain ways that get us what we want;or don't.

 

In relationships, that can't fly, or at least shouldn't;in a relationship, it should be a two person thing, with people working together to make each other and themselves happy.

 

DA2 at least to me felt very much like the one sided sort of thing. Pick who you want, go for it. They'll like you anyway. Even if they disagree with you they'll still lay with you(rivalmance).

 

But in Inquisition, the other person, the other character, they have preferences and ideas of who they want to be in a relationship with and what they want in that relationship.

 

So work with them to make it awesome, or don't. It just takes one to make the wheel stop.

Mine was a masturbation joke. *crickets*

[CronoDragoon]

So again, why was race a non-issue for attraction back then, and it is now?

 

That's difficult to answer when we don't even know the story or character content.

[Mukora]

Also, why was racial restrictions put in when even in Origins (which had years of development time,) the devs realized it was too restrictive and decided to make it a non-issue? What was the change for?  To make a better story?  To give the companions "more depth" by making them have racial preferences?  The gender aspect I understand and have made peace with, but this? How would this add anything to the game, other than, "Sorry, but you rolled the wrong race?"

Well, Allan has posted a few things about putting various restrictions on romances allows there to be more total, due to not having to design cutscenes for 8 possible options and every romance.

 

If every option were bi, and there were no racial restrictions, there would only be four options- and even that's generous.

 

 

And yes, the race-gating in BG2 was annoying, considering I always prefer the short races, and there were absolutely no options for them. Hopefully dwarves have a good deal of choice this time around, though.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Again, it made sense why he would shut down a romance with anyone that isn't a human noble due to politics.  However, that didn't stop him from falling in love with the lady Warden no matter what race was prior to that.  So again, why was race a non-issue for attraction back then, and it is now?

It wasn't an issue for Alistair. It might be for someone else, though. If your people were subjected to centuries of slavery, you might not like them. If you're racist, you might not like them. If you're just not attracted to head horns or short people, you might not like them- there are many reasons, within the realms of not being attracted/ not allowing yourself to be attracted to someone else that makes it make sense. Just because those may not have been raised as often in Origins doesn't bar Bioware from ever using it.

[LPPrince]

I would apologize but I'm not sorry. 

MORRIGAN: How do you still walk?
INQUISITOR: I. What?
MORRIGAN: Your storyteller, Varric, told you and your Qunari have been intimate.
INQUISITOR: Ah, first, he’s not my Qunari. Second, how drunk did you get Varric for him to tell you that?
MORRIGAN: T’was less the liquor and more the root I put in it. Unnoticed.
INQUISITOR: [PAUSES] Noted.
MORRIGAN: [BEGINS TO WALK AROUND THE INQUISITOR] You appear unmaimed, bones unfractured,  no obvious bruising... [PRODS AT INQUISITOR’S HIPS]
INQUISITOR: [SWATS HER AWAY] I will now, with your bony fingers poking me! Why are you so curious?
MORRIGAN: [EYES NARROW] No reason. Excuse me, I have... a letter to write.
[MORRIGAN STRIDES AWAY, THE INQUISITOR WATCHES UNTIL SHE IS GONE FROM SIGHT]
INQUISITOR: ... [STOIC FACE BREAKS] Ow ow ow ow.

 

Let me write the follow up to this.

 

*Party travels with Morrigan, meets Sten from Origins*

 

Sten- "Hello Morrigan."

 

Morrigan- "Why hello dear Sten...my apologies, Arishok. It has been a long time has it not? How have you been?"

 

Sten- "Not that long it seems. I received your letter."

 

*look on Morrigan's face tells the whole story, Sten looks down at the letter and reads*

 

"Dear Arishok,

 

You *expletive for fatherless child*

 

Signed, Morrigan"

 

Inquisitor- "...Right, moving on..."

[ladyoflate]

I will say I especially won't understand if Iron Bull is gated from dwarves, considering their classic racial trait is, y'know, STURDINESS.

 

I say as someone not even slightly invested in #ridethebull

[Grieving Natashina]

That's difficult to answer when we don't even know the story or character content.

Unless Thedas has dramatically changed in the last 12ish years or so since the Fifth Blight, then there isn't any good story reason behind it.   Don't get me wrong, perhaps things did change that much.  After the events of the novels, the crap hit the fan long before Inquisition starts.  So I'm willing to buy that.  

 

I just wonder why the team felt it was too restrictive in 2009 and yet is fine here.  Are we getting so many romance options that they feel race gating adds the story somehow?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Do I really have to add an AR to my acronym? 

[Mukora]

I will say I especially won't understand if Iron Bull is gated from dwarves, considering their classic racial trait is, y'know, STURDINESS.

 

I say as someone not even slightly invested in #ridethebull

If Bull is gated from anyone, I expect it to be elves and humans.

 

Dwarves and qunari should definitely be able to get it on with him.

[Phate Phoenix]

So if there's anyone race locked (and assuming he is romanceable), would we perhaps assumed that The Iron Bull is the one effected, as he won't sleep with an elf (and human?) because they're not, uhm, sturdy enough?

 

I can't think of any other reasons why the others would be race locked. Maybe Varric, but I think of everyone he's the least likely to be a romance at all. (don't shoot me, it'd be neat if he was, I'm just unsure it will happen.)

 

Well, for Cullen, I could see him be biased against qunari for what happened in Kirkwall. Same for Dorian, as he is from Tevinter, and Tevinter and the Qunari are constantly at war. Solas could be against humans for any number of reasons, same for Sera. Varric has already said he doesn't go for humans, and DA2 could put him against qunari. Vivienne is practically Orlesian nobility (or has aspirations of such) so I could easily see her being against romancing elves or qunari on principle. The Iron Bull, as you said, wouldn't go for elves because they are squishy, and perhaps humans because they are only slightly better.

 

I think there's plenty of reasons why characters might not be interested. 

[ladyoflate]

Do I really have to add an AR to my acronym? 

 

what acronym

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Unless Thedas has dramatically changed in the last 12ish years or so since the Fifth Blight, then there isn't any good story reason behind it.   Don't get me wrong, perhaps things did change that much.  After the events of the novels, the crap hit the fan long before Inquisition starts.  So I'm willing to buy that.  

 

I just wonder why the team felt it was too restrictive in 2009 and yet is fine here.  Are we getting so many romance options that they feel race gating adds the story somehow?

Worrying more about running away fans with race gated romance in a new IP than with an established one could have much to do with it- a sample group of 10 people (one a giant rock monster) in a country with thousands if not millions of people is also not a reliable sample size.