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That's difficult to answer when we don't even know the story or character content.

 

Actually that is very easy, it is the same reason that sexuality was not a issue back than. Now characters have preferences on romances, whatever the reason maybe be, for exemple Sera could not want to romance a human because of the **** they did to her people, and so on...



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what acronym

My SSSS acronym. Stands for Stupid Set Sexuality System.

 

So if true I'd have to add 'And Race' to it, leading to Stupid Set Sexuality And Race System, aka SSSARS.


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#1278
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Also, why was the big Romance thread locked?



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Unless Thedas has dramatically changed in the last 12ish years or so since the Fifth Blight, then there isn't any good story reason behind it.  

 

I'm not sure I follow. There's tons of racial tension in Thedas. But here's an example taken right from Iron Bull's bio interview: it's a good bet no female Qunari is getting with Varric, after what happened in Kirkwall. That's a legitimate story reason to race gate. And considering we don't know how much race-gating there actually is (Gaider said some romances aren't race-gated at all) I think it's premature to say it's unfounded.

 

 


I just wonder why the team felt it was too restrictive in 2009 and yet is fine here.  Are we getting so many romance options that they feel race gating adds the story somehow?

 

Race-gating adds to the story if there are legitimate character-based reasons like the Varric one above. It just sounds like it doesn't add enough to make up for those who believe they have the right to have sexy time with any LI. ;)


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My SSSS acronym. Stands for Stupid Set Sexuality System.

 

So if true I'd have to add 'And Race' to it, leading to Stupid Set Sexuality And Race System, aka SSSARS.

Triple-S SARS is contagious!



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If Bull is gated from anyone, I expect it to be elves and humans.

 

Dwarves and qunari should definitely be able to get it on with him.

 

A lot of people in the main romance thread were speculating he'd just be locked off from dwarves, which makes little to sense unless all qunari sex is standing up or something. Height doesn't matter, relative hip width very much can.



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Aye, I definitely can't see Varric romancing a qunari after the events of DA2.



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Also, why was the big Romance thread locked?

 

It got too heated in there and people need to cool off. It'll probably be re-opened at some point.



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Triple-S SARS is contagious!

 

I damn well hope not



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I'm really doubting the race-restrictions would be story-based. I mean, I'm sure they'll work them in, but I'm gonna guess the reason they might exist at all is the technical one.

 

Not wanting to animate 8 cutscenes for 6 or more characters is completely fair in my book. So long as the restrictions make sense (the aforementioned Iron Bull restrictions, for example) and everyone still gets a decent amount of options (ie Dwarves and Qunari aren't screwed over) I'm cool with it.


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A lot of people in the main romance thread were speculating he'd just be locked off from dwarves, which makes little to sense unless all qunari sex is standing up or something. Height doesn't matter, relative hip width very much can.

Sten- unless he was just trolling- seemed to think that it would be possible with Morrigan, so humans might still be an option. Elves, unless they have even more asari parallels hidden somewhere, don't seem to be likely.



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I think Varric will definitely be a romance for a female dwarf players (Scribbles maybe for male dwarf, Dorian/Sera still available for gay dwarves). Instead of seeing race specific romances as 'restrictive', why can't people see it more as special and exclusive? Maybe now more people will play as a female dwarf just to be able to romance Varric, I don't see that as a bad thing.


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#1288
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Worrying more about running away fans with race gated romance in a new IP than with an established one could have much to do with it- a sample group of 10 people (one a giant rock monster) in a country with thousands if not millions of people is also not a reliable sample size.

So for that reason, they put in a mechanic that not many older school players remember fondly, that really wasn't asked for (I never saw threads that asked specifically for racial gating.  Gender/sexuality, yes.)  In a series that never had racial gating a prescient, whose previous installment had relationships available to all players.  


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I'm really doubting the race-restrictions would be story-based. I mean, I'm sure they'll work them in, but I'm gonna guess the reason they might exist at all is the technical one.

 

Not wanting to animate 8 cutscenes for 6 or more character models is completely fair in my book. So long as the restrictions make sense (the aforementioned Iron Bull restrictions, for example) and everyone still gets a decent amount of options (ie Dwarves and Qunari aren't screwed over) I'm cool with it.

 

Yeah, I'd guess technical reasons trump story reasons, but story reasons would be aces.

 

The rest is ALL hypothetical-

 

Varric wasn't gonna get with Hawke. Lets assume that was because Hawke was human.

 

Qunari after DA2? No way.

 

That leaves elves and dwarves, and I think you can take off dwarves if you just say that Varric is attracted to his own race.

 

FemDwarves rejoice, the chest hair is all yours.



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I'm really doubting the race-restrictions would be story-based. I mean, I'm sure they'll work them in, but I'm gonna guess the reason they might exist at all is the technical one.

 

Not wanting to animate 8 cutscenes for 6 or more characters is completely fair in my book. So long as the restrictions make sense (the aforementioned Iron Bull restrictions, for example) and everyone still gets a decent amount of options (ie Dwarves and Qunari aren't screwed over) I'm cool with it.

 

What would a decent amount of options be?



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Sten- unless he was just trolling- seemed to think that it would be possible with Morrigan, so humans might still be an option. Elves, unless they have even more asari parallels hidden somewhere, don't seem to be likely.

 

Dude, Sten was ABSOLUTELY counter-trolling Morrigan. Listen to it again.

 

 


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Race-gating adds to the story if there are legitimate character-based reasons like the Varric one above. It just sounds like it doesn't add enough to make up for those who believe they have the right to have sexy time with any LI. ;)

 

 

That...isn't my issue.  At all.  Seriously.   I don't just want sexy time with any LI, I'd like my character's race to be a non-issue, like it was in the past.

 

I know I'm not getting what I want, but please don't imply I just want to have "sexy time."  The series barely has any sex scenes, and in ME they had the one token sex scene.  So it isn't about sexy time or "banging" anyone.

 

If anything, I preferred no racial restrictions because it showed that things like race didn't matter to the person you love, especially when you're saving the world together.  I promise I'll let this go in time, just like I have with the other announcements I didn't like.  :)


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Yeah, I'd guess technical reasons trump story reasons, but story reasons would be aces.

 

The rest is ALL hypothetical-

 

Varric wasn't gonna get with Hawke. Lets assume that was because Hawke was human.

 

Qunari after DA2? No way.

 

That leaves elves and dwarves, and I think you can take off dwarves if you just say that Varric is attracted to his own race.

 

FemDwarves rejoice, the chest hair is all yours.

 

That's if he's even an option  :whistle:



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I think Varric will definitely be a romance for a female dwarf players (Scribbles maybe for male dwarf, Dorian/Sera still available for gay dwarves). Instead of seeing race specific romances as 'restrictive', why can't people see it more as special and exclusive? Maybe now more people will play as a female dwarf just to be able to romance Varric, I don't see that as a bad thing.

Because restrictive and exclusive are the same thing, just standing on opposite sides of the line. 


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I think Varric will definitely be a romance for a female dwarf players (Scribbles maybe for male dwarf, Dorian/Sera still available for gay dwarves). Instead of seeing race specific romances as 'restrictive', why can't people see it more as special and exclusive? Maybe now more people will play as a female dwarf just to be able to romance Varric, I don't see that as a bad thing.

 

It would certainly add a playthrough to my list if I end up loving a character that I couldn't romance the first few times around.



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So for that reason, they put in a mechanic that not many older school players remember fondly, that really wasn't asked for (I never saw threads that asked specifically for racial gating.  Gender/sexuality, yes.)  In a series that never had racial gating a prescient, whose previous installment had relationships available to all players.  

Including them to improve story. I never ASKED to fight an 8 titted lump of mutant baby making, yet I enjoyed that. The story is theirs to tell; many, such as myself, feel it adds realism- disappointment is a fact of life. There have been people I have liked in life who will never be attracted to me- that's not negative to me, just real.



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Because restrictive and exclusive are the same thing, just standing on opposite sides of the line. 

 

Just noting the player is not being restricted: the particular PC race is. The player is free to do a femdwarf playthrough if serenading Varric is at the top of their list.


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What would a decent amount of options be?

I'd say at least two of each gender.



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Including them to improve story. I never ASKED to fight an 8 titted lump of mutant baby making, yet I enjoyed that. The story is theirs to tell; many, such as myself, feel it adds realism- disappointment is a fact of life. There have been people I have liked in life who will never be attracted to me- that's not negative to me, just real.

We'll just agree to disagree then.  I don't consider monster creations the same as romance content, which the devs repeatedly come to the fans about.  They don't ask us about the monsters usually, but they do talk a lot about how important fan feedback is when it comes to romances.

 

 That's why I'm confused that something fans didn't want, didn't really ask for, is making their way into a section of the game that is based largely upon fan feedback.  :mellow:

 

It's also real to me that Sera isn't going to fall for a male Inquisitor, or that another character isn't going to be into women.  So, race restrictions somehow makes that "more real?"


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So for that reason, they put in a mechanic that not many older school players remember fondly, that really wasn't asked for (I never saw threads that asked specifically for racial gating.  Gender/sexuality, yes.)  In a series that never had racial gating a prescient, whose previous installment had relationships available to all players.  

All players can romance all romanceable characters- so long as they roll a character that will be okay with it. You can always make a new character. I just think it's shallow to assume every character wants to bone mine.


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