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Just noting the player is not being restricted: the particular PC race is. The player is free to do a femdwarf playthrough if serenading Varric is at the top of their list.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
I actually really like the idea of having certain romances be race restricted, especially if it's in relation to "culture" or the individual own experiences of being raised, etc. Not saying it's the ideal outlook or right way of looking at it, but I find it to be an interesting aspect to roleplaying, especially if it ends up happening in the game.
We'll just agree to disagree then. I don't consider monster creations the same as romance content, which the devs repeatedly come to the fans about. They don't ask us about the monsters usually, but they do talk a lot about how important fan feedback is when it comes to romances.
That's why I'm confused that something fans didn't want, didn't really ask for, is making their way into a section of the game that is based largely upon fan feedback.
It's also real to me that Sera isn't going to fall for a male Inquisitor, or that another character isn't going to be into women. So, race restrictions somehow makes that "more real?"
To me, yes; for people in a land currently war torn over issues like race, class, magic, religion, it makes sense for an elf to maybe say, "No, get away from me." to someone who, in their mind, represents that oppression.
But yeah, agree to disagree.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
Agreed.
I'm all for race and class specific content...just not for the romances. Anyway I doubt Bioware will make race restrictive romances, they've never done it in the past.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
That is the point of roleplaying. Do you want everything catered to your "one perfect character" in a sense? Sounds boring to me. And life in general, is restrictive, I wouldn't see that as a negative thing either.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
Is that similar to say, forcing a player to play a certain class of character to keep a certain sibling alive? Or forcing a player to play a certain class or head to a certain location before another to have the optimum outcome in a particular scenario?
Choices have consequences. They have positives and negatives, benefits and drawbacks. I don't see the problem personally. And with the large number of romantic partners available in the game, it seems that there will always be someone available at some point.
It would certainly add a playthrough to my list if I end up loving a character that I couldn't romance the first few times around.
Exactly. It just makes the potential of repeated playthroughs much more appealing. That was my problem with the DA2 romances, the fact that regardless of my character I could pretty much sleep with anyone. It was too easy and boring to me. People in real life do have certain preferences and the game should reflex that.
Anyway I doubt Bioware will make race restrictive romances, they've never done it in the past.
That's why I'm interesting in it, good for them.
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Was race gating confirmed or is this just a battlefield of speculation?
All players can romance all romanceable characters- so long as they roll a character that will be okay with it. You can always make a new character. I just think it's shallow to assume every character wants to bone mine.
"Just reroll." I'm rather sick of that. I had to listen to that for years when I talked about the lack of romance options for the LGBTQ community. "Reroll as a guy, then you can the ladies you want." Or for gay men, "Just play a woman. It's the same thing right?"
Now it's "Reroll as the exact race and gender that fits the perfect specifications that a companion has and then you might get a LI that you want."
I don't think it's shallow that the companions wouldn't care about the hero's race. I think it's more shallow to have the racial restriction.
"Oh, well I was going to romance you, but you're an elf and this little flag says I find elves unattractive. Yep, your personality is keen and all. Yep, you're helping to save the world, but I'm sorry. You'll need to reroll. Oh, it's not about you, it's your race."
Agreed.
I'm all for race and class specific content...just not for the romances. Anyway I doubt Bioware will make race restrictive romances, they've never done it in the past.
See: Baldur's Gate II
Dwarves, Gnomes, and Halflings had no romance options. And Half-Orcs were restricted to the evil Drow companion.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
Bioware isn't forcing you to role that character- your desire to romance a certain character is causing it. They created the content, they're providing it. To make a choice in the story to not allow you to do something isn't stealing it from you; that's a pretty entitled concept, at least from my point of view.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
The way I look at it is the player is forced to choose a different race/gender to get a certain outcome, the same as when the player is forced to have Alistair perform the Dark Ritual if you him to survive if you've romanced him.
It's a roleplaying choice with roleplaying consequences. You just pick it at the start of the game, and it has far-reaching consequences throughout the game.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
Bioware isn't forcing you to roll that character- your desire to romance a certain character is causing it. They created the content, they're providing it. To make a choice in the story to not allow you to do something isn't stealing it from you; that's a pretty entitled concept, at least from my point of view.
Agreed.
I'm all for race and class specific content...just not for the romances. Anyway I doubt Bioware will make race restrictive romances, they've never done it in the past.
By "particular group" I mean "in real life."
Worrying about the distribution between male and female players, and one of them feeling like content geared at them was an afterthought, I am fine with. Worrying about a distribution amongst sexualities, and making it so that gay or bisexual players don't feel they won't have choices, I am also fine with. Worrying about "players who like playing dwarves" or "players who like playing humans" or whatever other races, that I'm not as concerned about. Which is why I'm saying you will have options, but you may not have the same number of options depending on what race you select.
It's fine if someone doesn't like that idea. Some folks, we're quite aware, aren't happy that romances are being gated at all and would prefer to have all romances available to all PC's. I would suggest not panicking just yet, as not all romances are even race-gated and the options have not all suddenly dried up as someone might fear, but I suppose until and unless they learn otherwise they can justifiably choose to be pessimistic. Maybe we'll put up the chart (yes, there's actually a chart) at some point, and having said information will make you feel better before you play the game, but that's not really my decision.
Is that similar to say, forcing a player to play a certain class of character to keep a certain sibling alive? Or forcing a player to play a certain class or head to a certain location before another to have the optimum outcome in a particular scenario?
Choices have consequences. They have positives and negatives, benefits and drawbacks. I don't see the problem personally. And with the large number of romantic partners available in the game, it seems that there will always be someone available at some point.
Exactly. It adds an interesting element to the way the player chooses to... well... choose their PC, in a sense.
Forcing a player to play a race they don't want to in order to experience a romance with a character they want to sure sounds restrictive to me.
It also sounds like a prime example of first world problems.
Anyway, dwarves are an inferior race and should go back under the mountain where they belong.
Just going for some levity.
"Just reroll." I'm rather sick of that. I had to listen to that for years when I talked about the lack of romance options for the LGBTQ community. "Reroll as a guy, then you can the ladies you want." Now it's "Reroll as the exact race and gender that fits the perfect specificians and then you might get a LI that you want."
I don't think it's shallow that the companions wouldn't care about the hero's race. I think it's more shallow to have the racial restriction.
"Oh, well I was going to romance you, but you're an elf and this little flag says I find elves unattractive. Yep, your personality is keen and all. Yep, you're helping to save the world, but I'm sorry. You'll need to reroll. Oh, it's not about you, it's your race."
So, you'd rather have a bunch of faceless mannequins who can never not love you? Whose experiences may prevent that? People have preferences.
"Just reroll." I'm rather sick of that. I had to listen to that for years when I talked about the lack of romance options for the LGBTQ community. "Reroll as a guy, then you can the ladies you want." Now it's "Reroll as the exact race and gender that fits the perfect specificians and then you might get a LI that you want."
I don't think it's shallow that the companions wouldn't care about the hero's race. I think it's more shallow to have the racial restriction.
"Oh, well I was going to romance you, but you're an elf and this little flag says I find elves unattractive. Yep, your personality is keen and all. Yep, you're helping to save the world, but I'm sorry. You'll need to reroll. Oh, it's not about you, it's your race."
Bioware doesn't cater to you and only you. I wanted to roleplay a female in ME2 but wanted to romance Jack, but I couldn't - should I blame Bioware for designing a character that has their own beliefs, motives, experiences and choices on who/what they choose to vibe with? I understand the fact that a romance restriction with ruin your ideal "roleplaying ability" in a sense, but that isn't a bad design choose on Bioware's part, when they want diversity, when they want to create characters who doesn't flock around the PC ego.
See: Baldur's Gate II
Dwarves, Gnomes, and Halflings had no romance options. And Half-Orcs were restricted to the evil Drow companion.
I stand corrected.
I still don't want it though.
It appears this is a scenario of the characters being written for the sake of themselves and the narrative in addition to for the sake of the player. If anything its 50/50.
Seemed much more for the player in the last game which I disliked, personally. I dig the change.
I'd say at least two of each gender.
That's fair. So no matter what race/gender/sexuality combo, you get 2 options? Sure.
So, you'd rather have a bunch of faceless mannequins who can never not love you? Whose experiences may prevent that? People have preferences.
Exactly, but oh no "I want to romance everything and everyone".
Life is such a ****** sometimes.
I can definitely understand being disappointed by the race-gating- hell, I was disappointed when Sera was revealed as gay.
But it makes sense from a game design standpoint. It saves them time, money, and allows them to- pehaps, give us more total options than they would have originally. Don't think of it as not being able to romance the character you want. Think of it as another reason to replay the game.
That's fair. So no matter what race/gender/sexuality combo, you get 2 options? Sure.
I'm down for that. But I also like the idea of Bioware portraying certain romances to fit a design for their game, if it fits within the lore or atmosphere of what the game is trying to express/create.
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