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[Samahl]

Shale is an awesome ace character. It'd be cool if she stayed that way. Just saying.

[ladyoflate]

I don't believe anyone was serious.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Sebastian?

 

In the DA world, there have been 9 LI's.  3 have been straight and 6 have been bisexual.  It's a bit skewed, but there's representation of both straight and bisexual people.  With Sera being confirmed as a lesbian, we know that we are going to start seeing some gay representation as well. 

I think he meant a heterosexual female.

[Brian ofthe Dialogue Wheel]

Shale is an awesome ace character. It'd be cool if she stayed that way. Just saying.

Yeah, but part of her character can be seeking to undo her golem-ness. The journey is equally a part of her, too.

[ladyoflate]

Yeah, but just 'cause she stops being a rock monster doesn't mean she necessarily stops being ace tho

[LPPrince]

Why is that odd?  Is there anything beyond "these are the experiences I'm most exposed to and therefore am most comfortable with?"

 

Well, I can't speak for him but I'm gonna assume it has to do with there being a desire for the more "human" aspects in a fantastical setting to be human as we know human to be on a micro level(our own interactions and experiences in life).

 

That in combination with there being heterosexual and homosexual people that are in relationships and pursue them with varying levels of success given personal tastes and preferences, and wanting to see the same happen in game.

[EarthboundNess]

Why is that odd?  Is there anything beyond "these are the experiences I'm most exposed to and therefore am most comfortable with?"

 

I may have been that guy.

 

It wasn't entirely to do with the characters being bisexual, just that having even a little disparity based on gender avoids it looking as if the majority of the party is trying to get into your characters pants. Just another realism thing.

[LPPrince]

I may have been that guy.

 

Can confirm he was that guy.

[Mukora]

Shale is... ace?

 

???

[ladyoflate]

Ace=asexual=not experiencing sexual desire. Demisexual people only start feeling attracted to someone once they've formed a strong emotional bond, and gray-ace people is a fuzzy area but they're basically ace with a 'WHOA GURL' like once in a blue moon.

[Iakus]

That's where I run into roadblocks though.  Suggesting that meeting a small number of bisexual people is unrealistic is a road I'm not comfortable driving down.  Especially when I'm skeptical that people would leverage the realism argument if all the romances were heterosexual.

 

If bisexual companions (especially only 4, and especially since there's still non-bisexual companions - they just don't romance the player) make a world seem unnatural or less realistic, it may be on the player to utilize some introspection on why they feel that way, in my opinion.

I don't think that's what makes it "unrealistic".  I mean, it might seem unusual, but Thedas is a world where sexuality isn't considered a big deal.  It's the vague way it was implemented in DA2, where it felt like the character's sexuality was in some nebulous state until the player chooses whether to hit the heart icon or not.

 

That felt unrealistic.

[Mukora]

Ace=asexual=not experiencing sexual desire. Demisexual people only start feeling attracted to someone once they've formed a strong emotional bond, and gray-ace people is a fuzzy area but they're basically ace with a 'WHOA GURL' like once in a blue moon.

I know what asexual and demisexual and all that are. Ace is just an... odd and confusing way to shorthand it. Fair enough, though.

[LPPrince]

Yeah I've never seen that shorthand before. When I use ace its usually to say something's awesome.

 

Which in this case makes that shorthand for asexual pretty ace. hahaha

[CGuiteau]

Shale is an awesome ace character. It'd be cool if she stayed that way. Just saying.

Whether golem or dwarf, Shale is one dynamite gal.

[ladyoflate]

Yeah I've never seen that shorthand before. When I use ace its usually to say something's awesome.

 

Which in this case makes that shorthand for asexual pretty ace. hahaha

 

 

I know what asexual and demisexual and all that are. Ace is just an... odd and confusing way to shorthand it. Fair enough, though.

 

Really? It's the only shorthand for it I've seen, like ever. Is there another shorthand y'all used or did y'all just always full-term it?

[Mukora]

I've always just said "asexual."

 

I usually don't go with shorthand unless it's something really long.

[LPPrince]

Really? It's the only shorthand for it I've seen, like ever. Is there another shorthand y'all used or did y'all just always full-term it?

 

The full term, because in my experiences it doesn't come up often enough to really need shorthand for it.

[ladyoflate]

Eh, I know enough ace people for it to be useful.

[LPPrince]

Ahh. Yeah, me not so much. I know loads of heterosexual, homosexual, and bisexual people, but outside of those three its like running into the Jersey Devil.

[Allan Schumacher]

I may have been that guy.

 

It wasn't entirely to do with the characters being bisexual, just that having even a little disparity based on gender avoids it looking as if the majority of the party is trying to get into your characters pants. Just another realism thing.

 

Again, I dislike the "realism" thing.  Unless you're equating "these people are bisexual and this many of them isn't realistic to me" at which point I contend: at which point is it the game developer's responsibility to be fair and accurate with representation, and at what point does the game player need to step back and challenge some of the assumptions they make about things.

 

 

 

 

I don't think that's what makes it "unrealistic".  I mean, it might seem unusual, but Thedas is a world where sexuality isn't considered a big deal.  It's the vague way it was implemented in DA2, where it felt like the character's sexuality was in some nebulous state until the player chooses whether to hit the heart icon or not.

 

That felt unrealistic.

 

Or is it that, on the surface level, the ability to confuse a bisexual person with a heterosexual or homosexual is an easy mistake to make?  If I see a bisexual in a monogamous relationship, it's not hard for me to assume that that person is heterosexual/homosexual based on their partner, even though my assumption is not the least bit correct.

 

It is not difficult for me to say that all 4 of the romance interests in Dragon Age 2 are bisexual.  From what I've learned talking with bisexuals on this forum (and elsewhere), it's not at all uncommon for them to be mistaken for something other than bisexual.  In fact, it's not uncommon for them to be told they aren't actually bisexual by an outside observer (I can only imagine how aggravating this must be).  Is there any chance you're making a similar mistake now based on the assumptions you have about bisexuality?

 

What did the characters in DA2 have to do, aside from openly state that they're bisexual?

[Allan Schumacher]

Really? It's the only shorthand for it I've seen, like ever. Is there another shorthand y'all used or did y'all just always full-term it?

 

I learned both the terms at the same time.  But until recently I was oblivious to the concept of asexuality as well.

[Dominus]

Interesting food for thought.

I'd expect a variety of different sexualities with as large a group as there is in DA:I, but I wouldn't say it's an obligation for BioWare to go one way or another. The characters BioWare are sculpting and the sexuality attached should hopefully fit in a way that doesn't feel contrived or otherwise out-of-place. And in DA2, it was hardly portrayed in a stereotypical way.

[LPPrince]

It's just weird to hear all this about LGBT rep when its just B with an admittedly bad rep of T in the last game.

 

Now though, we're seeing LGBT rep in full. Well, if Maevaris shows up, or someone else who's transgender. Glad she was done right, according to transgender individuals who commented on her. I have yet to hear/read anything negative about her that wasn't obvious hate for the sake of it.

[Mukora]

I'm loathe to call DAII's method "unrealistic."

 

But it's still nice to have an actual variety of the LGBT spectrum.

[ladyoflate]

It's just weird to hear all this about LGBT rep when its just B with an admittedly bad rep of T in the last game.

 

Now though, we're seeing LGBT rep in full. Well, if Maevaris shows up, or someone else who's transgender. Glad she was done right, according to transgender individuals who commented on her. I have yet to hear/read anything negative about her that wasn't obvious hate for the sake of it.

 

Mae's confirmed not be showing up in this game, as she became a character too late to be implemented. However, the fans like her, the writers like her, and she's interesting. So I have high hopes for the next game, considering they're on a five-game contract or something (so I hear).